Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #175

[sunshineray]

Innocent people have confessed to crimes they did not commit. We do not know under what circumstances he confessed. Was there coercion/threats to his family? Emotional or physical abuse involved. We have heard snippets through filings. We have not heard what he said either. I wouldn’t hang too much on his confessions, just yet. JMO

Since he confessed to his wife and mother, IMO, BIG difference from confession under police interrogation that can last hours upon hours. I don't honestly think he was coerced or threatened into telling his wife and mother he murdered two girls especially since his two lawyers were so gung ho to defend him. Was he feeling poorly about being in custody? I'm sure he was. How do you think real confessions occur? When everything thing is looking bright? Or are there no real confessions of murder because the accused murderer is most always in custody? AJMO

 

[Betty P]

But the folks who wrote the Odinist report were the FBI task force, who was still on the case as of July 2021 (which is also the same month one of its members was killed). I don’t know … I just really don’t think the FBI then walked away from this and said, “ok, Nevermind - all yours now.”

Can you provide a link to verify that the FBI wrote a report about Odinism? No one has provided that yet and at this point it appears to be a rumor.

 

[Betty P]

Can you link the statement that a Comet was the vehicle seen?

I am not doubting it was said, many others have seen this statement. I just would really like to read the statement in it's entirety.


Thank you!

Agree, I’ve not seen that information before.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

To me it doesn’t matter if the persons memory played tricks on what she remembered.

The fact remains he was placed on platform 1 and RA also confirmed he went out onto Platform 1.

So that’s a slam dunk as memory can be a tricky thing when remembering stuff like Age range and minor details.

It’s not like this witness went out there knowing he was about to comment 2 counts of murder.

MOO

I agree. I remember wondering after I first read his statement how was it possible that he didn’t see Libby or Abby when his version of events in terms of crossing paths with the three teenagers and standing on the bridge’s platform overlaps with LE’s timeline outlining the known locations or sightings of BG leading up to Libby’s and Abby’s tragic abductions and murders?

Also, in the small likelihood he wasn’t BG how did he not then see BG or cross paths with him considering their movements around Monan High Bridge that day were so similar, particularly in terms of location and timing?

 

[zh0r4]

The D wanted the interview with Turco in 2017. How likely is it that no one ever turned that information over to McL? It was a very important piece of info, considering that interview was what caused the abandonment of the cult angle.

Then, when the D brought the issue up in 2023, they scrambled and suddenly found the guy and apparently did another interview.

To add:

LE whom believe more than one perp committed the murders:

1. Todd Click - (now Ret.) Rushville Assistant Police Chief
2. Greg Ferency (murdered)- Terre Haute Police Department Detective assigned to the FBl's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF)
3. Kevin Murphy -Indiana State Police Detective also assigned to the FBl's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF)
4. Tobe Leazenby- Carrol Co. Chief Dep Sheriff; who believes there are "at least 2" perps in his deposition 8/9/2023. Leazenby also stated he and Liggett privately discussed more than 1 perp, although Liggett did not stray from 1 perp in his deposition 8/8/2023. (p.43-44 of the def memo, which is also cited further).

-Click directly sent letter re: exculpatory evidence to Prosecutor McLeland (Carroll Co.) May 12023 after being concerned evidence was not being given to the prosecution (p. 6).

It’s important to note both Ferency abd Murphy both worked with the FBI’s JTTF (Joint Terrorism Task Force). What does the JTTF do specifically?

“In the United States, a Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) is a locally-based multi-agency partnership between various federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies tasked with investigating terrorism and terrorism-related crimes, led by the Federal Bureau of Investigationand U.S. Department of Justice.[1]”

Joint Terrorism Task Force - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Source for these officers working with the JTTF: Todd Click, in his interview with Murder Sheet.

"Detective Ferency and Detective Murphy were not Rushville cops. Detective Ferency was a detective from the Terre Haute police department that was assigned to the FBI joint terrorism task force. Detective Murphy was an Indiana state police detective that was also assigned to the FBI joint terrorism task force. So the FBI was associated with the until at least July 2021.” - Todd Click, interview with MS.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I think people get confused about this. As far as I understand it, Todd Click prepared an 85 page report summarizing LE's investigation into the Odinism angle and sent it to the prosecution along with a cover letter. The Franks Memo quotes that letter as saying that “the Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU) of the FBI determined that the individual(s) responsible for the homicides were involved in Nordic beliefs.” (p. 6-7) So I think that's the report that gets mentioned. And it hasn't ever been made public.

Thanks for this info.
I'm bumping for the folks who missed it and are still inquiring about it.
A link to the source.

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion PDF | PDF | Prosecutor | Police

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion.pdf

www.scribd.com

 

[zh0r4]

I recall from the FM that the FBI report was in a summary of Click’s investigation that he attached with his letter to prosecution.

This is correct, the FM is the source.

The exact quote/page/source is here:

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[zh0r4]

How many conspiracy theories do we have now?

RA has been framed by LE.
Planted bullets at the crime scene.
Hiding names of professors with opinions from evidence.
JH leaking crime scene evidence into social media.
Members of LE are Odinists protecting the real killers.
Odinist prison guards are in on it.

I am sure I’m missing several more.

As you stated above “we don’t know until we don’t know.” Respectfully, it is inaccurate to call everything that we don’t agree with or have proof currently of a “conspiracy”. JMHO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Wasn’t the day off school a “scheduled” day off. I would think anyone with children in the school system would have been aware, at least by the previous Friday, of a scheduled day off, right?

Yes, but RA didn't have school age children, his daughter had already graduated from HS IIRC. I don't have children and I surely don't keep up with the school calendar.

MOO

 

[zh0r4]

It was not found months later.
It was found between the girls on February 14th, 2017 as per the Defense in the FM:

Page 31:
View attachment 482368

This doesn’t cite a date for when the bullet was found. I am almost certain, as with the sticks, it wasn’t collected until later.

 

[girlhasnoname]

As you stated above “we don’t know until we don’t know.” Respectfully, it is inaccurate to call everything that we don’t agree with or have proof currently of a “conspiracy”. JMHO

In all fairness, there are many others here who claim things done by the State that they don't have proof of yet. Like their theory of the case and the totality of the evidence that they do or do not have. That would be inaccurate also.

MOO

 

[zh0r4]

Where do his no less than five confessions of guilt to his wife and mother fit in there?

The confessions there aren’t any records of?

 

[girlhasnoname]

This doesn’t cite a date for when the bullet was found. I am almost certain, as with the sticks, it wasn’t collected until later.

The D in their FM are speaking here of the time when LE recovered the bodies. That would have been when the girls were found on Feb 14th.

I have looked to no avail for a MSM source stating the the sticks weren't collected for weeks later as some claim. If you have a link to that it would be greatly appreciated.

MOO

 

[zh0r4]

In all fairness, there are many others here who claim things done by the State that they don't have proof of yet. Like their theory of the case and the totality of the evidence that they do or do not have. That would be inaccurate also.

MOO

I hear you. I enjoy the discussion and don’t consider anything here a conspiracy. Sleuthing includes theorizing and crowd sourcing all the information at hand. Thats all I meant.

 

[zh0r4]

I think people get confused about this. As far as I understand it, Todd Click prepared an 85 page report summarizing LE's investigation into the Odinism angle and sent it to the prosecution along with a cover letter. The Franks Memo quotes that letter as saying that “the Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU) of the FBI determined that the individual(s) responsible for the homicides were involved in Nordic beliefs.” (p. 6-7) So I think that's the report that gets mentioned. And it hasn't ever been made public.

bbm

My understanding is the Odinism angle was shortly discussed in a report by the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), who mentioned Nordic beliefs-from the 85 page report, which wasn’t focused on Odinism but the work of the investigators who believed multiple perps were involved.
The exact quote from the FM, pages 6-7:

“Not only did the prosecution withhold that letter from the Defense, but law enforcement also withheld several other exculpatory pieces of evidence, including an 85-page compilation of reports by Click prepared in 2019 and several videos containing statements that support the Defense theory of Richard Allen's innocence. This 85-page report detailed the investigative work performed by Click, Ferency, Murphy, and others, including the FBI. According to the summary of Click's investigation that he attached with his letter, "the Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU) of the FBI determined that the individuals) responsible for the homicides were involved in Nordic beliefs."'

Source:
https://www.scribd.com/document/672126677/DELPHI-Memorandum-in-Support-of-Motion-pdf

 

[FrostedGlass]

I agree. I remember wondering after I first read his statement how was it possible that he didn’t see Libby or Abby when his version of events in terms of crossing paths with the three teenagers and standing on the bridge’s platform overlaps with LE’s timeline outlining the known locations or sightings of BG leading up to Libby’s and Abby’s tragic abductions and murders?

Also, in the small likelihood he wasn’t BG how did he not then see BG or cross paths with him considering their movements around Monan High Bridge that day were so similar, particularly in terms of location and timing?

Some people kicked around the idea that BG came from the south end of the bridge, passed the girls and then doubled back. If RA left by 1:30, he would probably not have seen BG.

Libby and Abby weren't on the trial at !:30.

Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

 

[Betty P]

Thanks for this info.
I'm bumping for the folks who missed it and are still inquiring about it.
A link to the source.

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion PDF | PDF | Prosecutor | Police

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion.pdf

www.scribd.com

So the report hasn’t been made public, but we’re supposed to take the word of these defense attorneys? I don believe its possible to do that.

 

[Betty P]

bbm

My understanding is the Odinism angle was shortly discussed in a report by the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), who mentioned Nordic beliefs-from the 85 page report, which wasn’t focused on Odinism but the work of the investigators who believed multiple perps were involved.
The exact quote from the FM, pages 6-7:

“Not only did the prosecution withhold that letter from the Defense, but law enforcement also withheld several other exculpatory pieces of evidence, including an 85-page compilation of reports by Click prepared in 2019 and several videos containing statements that support the Defense theory of Richard Allen's innocence. This 85-page report detailed the investigative work performed by Click, Ferency, Murphy, and others, including the FBI. According to the summary of Click's investigation that he attached with his letter, "the Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU) of the FBI determined that the individuals) responsible for the homicides were involved in Nordic beliefs."'

Source:
https://www.scribd.com/document/672126677/DELPHI-Memorandum-in-Support-of-Motion-pdf

Again, I don’t believe what’s written in the memo. It’s a hodgepodge of opinions and speculation presented as fact.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The confessions there aren’t any records of?

Yes, there are taped phone conversations that were also transcribed that both the State and the Defense acknowledged existed in their July hearing before Judge Gull. They have not been released to the public because of the protective order.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Some people kicked around the idea that BG came from the south end of the bridge, passed the girls and then doubled back. If RA left by 1:30, he would probably not have seen BG.

Libby and Abby weren't on the trial at !:30.

Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

RA admitted in the Oct 2022 interview with LE to arriving at 1:30 and leaving at 3:30. Where does RA leaving by 1:30 come from? IDK