Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #181

[layer]

Do members of the military have to give DNA samples? And if so, is it available to LE?

There's this
Seems like it's just for ID of the fallen.

(AFRSSIR) maintains a DNA reference specimen collection for all active duty and reserve service members and an automated database to assist in their retrieval for human remains identification.

 

[susiQ]

My husband has more than that and he’s not a murderer (that I know of).

Mine too! As well, when my better half passed late last year there were 4 blue windbreakers and goodness knows how many baggy work jeans. I know for a fact that he wasn’t in Delphi in February of 2017. Appears to be the general attire of many middle aged and old aged guys. Think RL, not that I believe RL is BG or murdered the girls. I don’t think there’s anything they found of RA’s that without a doubt makes him the murderer. Too many suspicious things surrounding this case in my mind. JMHO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

There's this
Seems like it's just for ID of the fallen.

(AFRSSIR) maintains a DNA reference specimen collection for all active duty and reserve service members and an automated database to assist in their retrieval for human remains identification.

Do we know in fact that RA was in the Indiana National Guard and when? I have yet to find any article that confirms this claim.

 

[TL4S]

Not sure if these have been posted before. Transcripts of Contempt Hearing from March 18th.

Part 1
Part 2

 

[Emma Peel]

dbm duplicate post

 

[Caylee Advocate]

BBM. That's the part that bothers me about what LE said. They did express to the public that they were not the same person. Like you said, it could have been conflicting opinions within LE. I tend to think LE reached a point where they really weren't clear if there was one, or two men dressed similarly that day (one seen by the group of girls, the other by BB). However, what does seem clear is that YBG was the man BB saw on the bridge.

Or, who was the man in all black that some girls described? Asking for a friend.

 

[Boxer]

Or, who was the man in all black that some girls described? Asking for a friend.

The girls croased paths with RA in the shadowy tree canopy of the trail just past the Freedom Bridge. One of them thought he was wearing black.

 

[vinayd]

The girls croased paths with RA in the shadowy tree canopy of the trail just past the Freedom Bridge. One of them thought he was wearing black.

Maybe she is color blind?

 

[Boxer]

Maybe she is color blind?

MOO just looked black.
Maybe the others saw some fabric in the mottled light that showed them his jacket was blue, or maybe her eyes hadn't adjusted or maybe she just didnt pay attention and remembered dark as black.

 

[layer]

Do we know in fact that RA was in the Indiana National Guard and when? I have yet to find any article that confirms this claim.

I never even heard the claim.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

The girls croased paths with RA in the shadowy tree canopy of the trail just past the Freedom Bridge. One of them thought he was wearing black.

Yes and the group of girls all saw the same man and only one man just described him with varying shades of dark clothing.
Nowhere did they say they saw different men or multiple men.
IMO

I never even heard the claim.

Yes KA was quoted stating that he had kept his hair short since being in National Guard.
Also one of the items taken from his home was an Indiana National Guard pocketknife.
But I have not found any verifiable source that he indeed was in the National Guard and when.
Someone upthread was trying to determine whether his DNA had been collected during his time in the National Guard.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Thank you. I really hope so because I really believe they have the right man despite of all mistakes in the investigation. But I don't know if they have more direct evidence. I don't think they have DNA (I think Paul Holes or Ives said this crime will not be solved trought DNA) and even were more evidence in 2017, RA had 5 years to clean/get rid over the evidence. I don't know if the juries will understand the circunstancial/inference/indirect evidence and with so many mistakes in this investigation, I see a possibility of him walks.

IMO mistakes in the investigation simply delayed the arrest of RA. I think it was a small town LE and they were just overwhelmed and it if hadn’t received national attention it may have been solved sooner. I think Snapchat aspect and then non locals chiming in with their 2 cents muddied the waters.
I believe they arrested the right guy and evidence will prove beyond doubt at trial.
all~

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Do we know in fact that RA was in the Indiana National Guard and when? I have yet to find any article that confirms this claim.

Totally agreed on this, I've been looking for this forever. I saw something, somewhere, as I remember it was pretty credible, noting wife said RA kept his hair short in the national guard and got used to it being short from that experience. However, I am at the same time positive I saw a YouTuber (and a pretty credible one) noting the only record of service he found for RA was six weeks in the army. I also found early articles noting an alias for RA, and it's a very, very unusual name. That has since disappeared, so I'm still looking for anything available for both of these pieces of info.

 

[snooptroop88]

Someone has this up on "X"/obtained via FOIA

 

[layer]

Now I guess I wonder why this is significant? What are we trying to figure out?

 

[Trukrymhuntr]

Oh dear no.
I'm not inserting myself into this case ... as a witness.
That's all I'll say b/c I'm gagged. ha.

Good answer!

 

[snooptroop88]

Now I guess I wonder why this is significant? What are we trying to figure out?

I'm wondering why it's so difficult to track info that for other suspects-- it's relatively easy info to find. I've found it difficult to locate his military information, and I've also seen conflicting information on whether he hunts, I did find one source noting that at least at one point he had a hunting license. I can't find that anywhere else. I saw an alias listed for him way, way back, that completely disappeared pretty quickly. Since there's a lot of curiosity about whether he acted alone, the background info would be really helpful. With other suspects, this info's pretty quickly available (MOO) Maybe it's just because he has a relatively common name.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Someone has this up on "X"/obtained via FOIA

View attachment 498514

Ok so it looks like he may have early enlistment because his dates of service begin at 17 then he re-upped for 6 months until 1990 ( 18yo) then he re-upped yearly until 1998 which would make him 26.
Looks like they didn’t even start mandatory DNA retrieval for active duty members until 1994 from what I have read.
IMO they never retrieved his DNA during his service with National Guard. Or if DNA was retrieved during the investigation it was not run through AFMES.
Made it to E-5. I am curious what his specialized training was in.
all My opinion and speculations and wonderings.

Oh and thanks Snooptroop!

 

[layer]

Looks like they didn’t even start mandatory DNA retrieval for active duty members until 1994 from what I have read.
IMO they never retrieved his DNA during his service with National Guard. Or if DNA was retrieved during the investigation it was not run through AFMES.

OK, and why the DNA? I'm missing something here.

Eta: I mean, they have his DNA now, right? Is it just a relic we're still trying to figure out like baby goat? Getting info on this case has been unlike any other case I've followed, and there's no reason for it IMO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

OK, and why the DNA? I'm missing something here.

Eta: I mean, they have his DNA now, right?

If they had human DNA from the crime scene in 2017 and ran it the through AFMES ( military DNA identification system) and if they had taken DNA during his Indiana Guard duty from 1989-1996. Then this case could have been solved pronto.
But the fact that this didn’t happen means one of a few things
1) they didn’t have a viable human DNA sample to run
2) they did have a viable human DNA sample to run but didn’t run it through AFMES
3) they did have a viable human DNA sample to run and did run it through AFMES but didn’t get a match because they didn’t have RA’s DNA in AFMES
4) they did have a viable human DNA sample to run and did run it but it didn’t match because RA wasn’t a match.

I’m leaning towards 2 or 3. JMO

Yes of course they have his DNA now. I am speaking from an investigative standpoint if this was something missed or simply not there.