Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #181

[Trukrymhuntr]

I have a question, does anyone know if how far back the medical records went that were released to the State? Did they only turn over records post arrest or were they also given pre arrest records?

 

[Emma Peel]

RSBM. I think so too, but it seems during this pre-trial phase, it's fallen on deaf ears, IMO. JG isn't worried about it, and neither is a lot of the public. Seventy days of lost interviews, the partial loss of the Oct. 26 interview, possible omissions in the PCA, NMcL gaining access to, reading, quoting, and simply withdrawing his motions on the D's ex parte motions with no repercussions, are only some of the questionable conduct by the State, and it's all but ignored. If the D dare argues it, it's just because they have nothing else. They can't do anything but lie, conflate, or throw crap at the walls since they are a joke. Trial might come and we find out RA is unequivocally BG, the State's mistakes were insignificant, and the Ds are a total P O S, but I'm certainly not ready to confine my opinions to that at this point, before we know really anything. JMO.

JG ruled sanctions of P unnecessary for failing to disclose lost discovery that's possibly exculpatory; JG denied a dismissal over these lost interviews. AFAIK, JG hasn't ruled the 70 days of lost interviews is a fact that won't be explored at trial.

I'm thinking that these investigators will necessarily be on the stand at trial. And the D will pursue this line of questioning to discredit the investigation/investigators and their testimony to the jury. JMHO

 

[Emma Peel]

I have a question, does anyone know if how far back the medical records went that were released to the State? Did they only turn over records post arrest or were they also given pre arrest records?

IMO, that info is under seal.

 

[Emma Peel]

Do you swear on the WS community rules to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? love it!

Oh dear no.
I'm not inserting myself into this case ... as a witness.
That's all I'll say b/c I'm gagged. ha.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It seems like she is lucky to be alive

I think RA purposely went there for Abby & Libby

 

[Daisy Chain]

I know its a HUGE ask, but I've been off grid for about a year.
I'm trying to catch up through the post, but would anyone be kind enough to give me a run down on the latest?
If so, that would be fabulous.

TIA

 

[layer]

I think RA purposely went there for Abby & Libby

I really don't. At least not if it was a lone wolf. I think the one thing that saved BB is that she was on the right side of the bridge. Do we know if BB was there alone?

 

[Megnut]

It's not surprising but it's always sobering to consider the harsh ripple effect of pain beyond the obvious victims.

The damage one man did.

Two young lives, massacred.
Two families, never the same.
Friends, neighbors, strangers -- all impacted.
Searchers, EMS never the same.
BB. Imagine being the last person to see the girls before they cross paths with BG. If she could turn back time...

 

[TTF14]

I know its a HUGE ask, but I've been off grid for about a year.
I'm trying to catch up through the post, but would anyone be kind enough to give me a run down on the latest?
If so, that would be fabulous.

TIA

We're 23 days from Richard Allen's trial and there have been a lot of shenanigans around leaked crime scene photos, trying to get the defense team kicked off (Supreme Court said no), and the investigative team admitting to mountains of lost evidence. Also, the State has only dripped Discovery to the defense (according to the defense) and Nick McLeland did something unethical (read an ex-parte motion he wasn't supposed to read) but will face no consequences, probably.

Richard Allen still looks nothing like "BG" or either sketch.

IMO MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I know its a HUGE ask, but I've been off grid for about a year.
I'm trying to catch up through the post, but would anyone be kind enough to give me a run down on the latest?
If so, that would be fabulous.

TIA

This article has a timeline and summary of major events. The media thread for this case is a good place to skim through the past year of highlights, too.

Delphi killings: Timeline of events in Richard Allen case

Here’s a timeline retracing key moments of the Delphi killings case.

www.newsnationnow.com

IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION #2

Please post media maps & timelines here. *NO DISCUSSION* MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at...

www.websleuths.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

I really don't. At least not if it was a lone wolf. I think the one thing that saved BB is that she was on the right side of the bridge. Do we know if BB was there alone?

That's okay if don't agree, I wouldn't have it any other way. RA was on the prowl for a young girl(s). imo

From what I've seen and read about BB she was always only identified, nobody mentioned with her, but as we know that doesn't mean anything in this case.

MOO

 

[vinayd]

BB may have seen him from the side with hood down, for a better view of the "fish/stock ticker." He could have been peering out as I don't think he was on the platform facing the bridge entrance. That would be odd.

It says BB saw the 1st group of girls as she parked they were crossing over a bridge.
She then saw BG standing on platform, turned to finish her walk and passed Libby and Abby before they walked on to the bridge. So I think it's fair to say she saw both groups of girls & one male. I don't believe she was seen by Bridge Guy.

Next witness saw him after the crime so hat on and hood up, walking back to his vehicle. Likely looking disheveled, like he had been in a fight. I'm sure he saw/heard her car coming up too and did a lot to conceal himself. So one witness before the crime. Hood down, maybe the brownish hat is on and she sees him from the side.

Next witness SC spots him after the crime and with hood and hat up. She described his jacket as tan. Can't make tan out of blue but maybe dried wet mud looks like dirt. MOO

 

[TTF14]

BB may have seen him from the side with hood down, for a better view of the "fish/stock ticker." He could have been peering out as I don't think he was on the platform facing the bridge entrance. That would be odd.

It says BB saw the 1st group of girls as she parked they were crossing over a bridge.
She then saw BG standing on platform, turned to finish her walk and passed two girls resembling Libby and Abby before they walked on to the bridge. So I think it's fair to say she saw both groups of girls & one male. I don't believe she was seen by Bridge Guy.

Next witness saw him after the crime so hat on and hood up, walking back to his vehicle. Likely looking disheveled, like he had been in a fight. I'm sure he saw/heard her car coming up too and did a lot to conceal himself. So one witness before the crime. Hood down, maybe the brownish hat is on and she sees him from the side.

Next witness SC spots him after the crime and with hood and hat up. She describe his jacket as tan. Can't make tan out of blue but maybe dried wet mud looks like dirt. MOO

One minor correction - I inserted it into my quote of yours and bolded it.

 

[vinayd]

Not mad at that.Time will tell. Just a few short weeks

 

[girlhasnoname]

BB may have seen him from the side with hood down, for a better view of the "fish/stock ticker." He could have been peering out as I don't think he was on the platform facing the bridge entrance. That would be odd.

It says BB saw the 1st group of girls as she parked they were crossing over a bridge.
She then saw BG standing on platform, turned to finish her walk and passed Libby and Abby before they walked on to the bridge. So I think it's fair to say she saw both groups of girls & one male. I don't believe she was seen by Bridge Guy.

Next witness saw him after the crime so hat on and hood up, walking back to his vehicle. Likely looking disheveled, like he had been in a fight. I'm sure he saw/heard her car coming up too and did a lot to conceal himself. So one witness before the crime. Hood down, maybe the brownish hat is on and she sees him from the side.

Next witness SC spots him after the crime and with hood and hat up. She described his jacket as tan. Can't make tan out of blue but maybe dried wet mud looks like dirt. MOO

Or took the blue/black jacket and the hoodie he was wearing was tan in color.

 

[Boxer]

Or took the blue/black jacket and the hoodie he was wearing was tan in color.

Yes. The rolled up jacket could be the backpack or duffel they sought.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Two sides of the coin:

We're 24 days away from the start of trial.

The D have acted unethically from the beginning of their appointment and worst of all the leaked exploitive CS photos of Abby & Libby came from their office, they are now facing contempt charges for these and other things. MW, AB's good friend, is beyond unethical and the friend he leaked info to committed suicide and left a wife and four children.

Discovery often continues up to and including the day of trial, drip, drip. The State turned over the majority of Discovery long before the Defense turned over one single thing to them.

The SCOIN reinstated R&B, but they also kept Judge Gull in charge of the case overall. She has an impeccable reputation according to the temporarily assigned D team member Screamin.

RA = BG = Killer

The State will be able to prove their case to a jury of his peers, without all the outlandish mud slinging, and trash talking of the State and the Judge. I firmly believe that. It will be based on evidence, not FB rumor, Podcasters and SM troll noise which will be a very, very welcomed relief. I am almost deaf from it all.

My heart goes out to the families and loved ones of Abby and Libby and I hope Justice is finally brought to them after all these long years MOST OF ALL.

JMO

 

[Emma Peel]

Riddle me this:

If CC lost 70 days of interviews due to taping system user error (?) ... how many of those interviews were about entirely different cases than this case?

This 2017 case (Abby/Libby) and its investigation has been extremely protracted, but other CC cases/investigations/trials have not.

Assuming other 2017 interviews were used in other 2107 CC cases ... when did CC LE realize that 70 days of taped interviews were lost?

Was the system only for the Abby/Libby case?

 

[Megnut]

BB may have seen him from the side with hood down, for a better view of the "fish/stock ticker." He could have been peering out as I don't think he was on the platform facing the bridge entrance. That would be odd.

It says BB saw the 1st group of girls as she parked they were crossing over a bridge.
She then saw BG standing on platform, turned to finish her walk and passed Libby and Abby before they walked on to the bridge. So I think it's fair to say she saw both groups of girls & one male. I don't believe she was seen by Bridge Guy.

Next witness saw him after the crime so hat on and hood up, walking back to his vehicle. Likely looking disheveled, like he had been in a fight. I'm sure he saw/heard her car coming up too and did a lot to conceal himself. So one witness before the crime. Hood down, maybe the brownish hat is on and she sees him from the side.

Next witness SC spots him after the crime and with hood and hat up. She described his jacket as tan. Can't make tan out of blue but maybe dried wet mud looks like dirt. MOO

Or, to your last point, he reversed his jacket. Tan lining. Possible.

 

[Emma Peel]

I found this screenshot (does not include height or weight) but I ‘do’ remember the specific one you’re searching for. Maybe I will eventually find it.I really love reading everyone’s posts. I’m Just Lurking



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