Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #182

[layer]

But he said this to a reporter on the same day as the press conference announcing the arrest of Richard Allen (after the presser).

I thought this was interesting:
Reporter: So you never cleared him - Mr. Logan?
Carter: We haven't cleared anybody.
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[TTF14]

Yes. But most people like to ignore that and just convict RA as a lone wolf because it feels better. This case is soooooo far from being over, IMO.

ETA: Oops, meant to quote the post just before this. The post from @layer.

 

[TTF14]

Does anybody have a tally on how many motions Judge Gull is still ignoring/hasn't ruled on yet? We're 14 days away from trial.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

There's always plenty of side bars nowadays.

I’ll add that in the Murdaugh trial, the judge chose to rule on issues if and when they came up in trial to get the trial started on time. There were very few things ruled on prior to trial.
That worked fine. The jury just got up and left when the judge said there was something they needed to talk about.
I kinda wish JG had done it that way.

 

[TTF14]

I’ll add that in the Murdaugh trial, the judge chose to rule on issues if and when they came up in trial to get the trial started on time. There were very few things ruled on prior to trial.
That worked fine. The jury just got up and left when the judge said there was something they needed to talk about.
I kinda wish JG had done it that way.

Maybe she is planning on doing it that way? Although she only has 2 weeks planned for trial.

 

[snooptroop88]

It almost seems like you are requiring RA to prove he's innocent there. I agree, there are a million ways to create reasonable doubt, and some jurors are just reasonably doubtful by nature. To my dying days I will never forget the words Where is it, Mr Fung?

Understood, but not saying he has to "prove" he's innocent. The P is arguing that's him on the bridge, he's BG. So the D's playing no, no, it's "this guy," it's "that guy," it's going to be Baby Goat if they run out of available heads, you watch. It's anybody but RA. And I'm wondering you know, just in a vacuum, can't you produce anything-- like anything at all-- to make the jurors believe it's not RA without resorting to dragging people not charged with the crime into the press to be "discussed"? So far, that's the bulk of the D's "strategy": implicate others to the umpteenth degree and get any evidence where RA has implicated himself thrown out. That doesn't look like a winning strategy. It really does look like desperation.

 

[snooptroop88]

What is the purpose of not allowing even water or coffee for spectators? Is that normal in a courtroom? I've never attended a trial in person.

Coffee's for closers.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Prosecutor in Delphi murders case wants Odinism testimony left out of trial

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland is arguing that references to Odinism should be barred at Richard Allen's trial.

www.indystar.com

 

[layer]

Yes it’s the correct language to use for a man that has only been charged and not found guilty yet. Similar to the defense. IMO
This is appropriate LE speak for the question as posed.

Actually...
Reporter: Are you confident this is your guy?
Carter: A judge signed the probable cause affidavit for the arrest of Richard Allen for two counts of murder. Yes.
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[katydid23]

What is the purpose of not allowing even water or coffee for spectators? Is that normal in a courtroom? I've never attended a trial in person.

That's normal for California courthouses. Spectators can have a water bottle in some courtrooms but some judges nix everything.

There are a few purposes, I believe. Cleanliness, no spills. And attention----if a bunch of people are gulping coffee they are not really listening or paying attention to the testimony.

And noise and trash. Also, it makes the environment more 'casual' and it should be a formal feeling in the seriousness of a double murder case.

 

[Salah11]

I am absolutely amazed it looks to be full steam ahead to trial.

I take my hat off to Judge Gull for keeping this train on the tracks as no doubt the defense have tried to derail it multiple times. Now let’s get justice for Libby and Abby and RA locked away for life.

Moo

 

[vinayd]

 

[zh0r4]

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I am still trying to read the state’s responses and the March 18th transcripts!

 

[vinayd]

I am still trying to read the state’s responses and the March 18th transcripts!

I knew it was 8am and the court was up and ready lol. Haven't found links for these yet so we are still on the same page #literally.

 

[Salah11]

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More fireworks I bet .

 

[FrostedGlass]

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RA's attorneys are highly respected and experienced. At this point they haven't been found guilty of any wrongdoings. We'll have to wait until JG decides what direction she wants to go with that. AND then see what happens after that.

The friend will get his day in court.

At least of the podcasters was Nick's contact but we weren't allowed to hear about that.

"Infernal zombies" smh

 

[zh0r4]

Can someone please explain to me why the P would want any geofencing conducted by FBI Koran thrown out? I am so confused. Again.

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9. Any reference to geofencing and/or any testimony from Kevin Horan about geofencing or the findings from any geofence search that is not relevant or is for the purpose of confusing the issues or has the potential to mislead the jury in violation of Rule 401. IRE 401. Burden is on the opponent to show why it is relevant. Mullins v. State, 646 N.E.2d 40 (Ind. 1995). Relevant evidence may be excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed by its prejudicial effect. Rolston v. State, 81 N.E.3d 1097 (Ind. Ct. App. 2017). Evidence may be excluded if it confuses the issues.

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[susane7]

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Judge Gull still haven't rule on the third Franks, right?

 

[Salah11]

RA's attorneys are highly respected and experienced. At this point they haven't been found guilty of any wrongdoings. We'll have to wait until JG decides what direction she wants to go with that. AND then see what happens after that.

The friend will get his day in court.

At least of the podcasters was Nick's contact but we weren't allowed to hear about that.

"Infernal zombies" smh

That’s debatable!!

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Can someone please explain to me why the P would want any geofencing conducted by FBI Koran thrown out? I am so confused. Again.

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9. Any reference to geofencing and/or any testimony from Kevin Horan about geofencing or the findings from any geofence search that is not relevant or is for the purpose of confusing the issues or has the potential to mislead the jury in violation of Rule 401. IRE 401. Burden is on the opponent to show why it is relevant. Mullins v. State, 646 N.E.2d 40 (Ind. 1995). Relevant evidence may be excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed by its prejudicial effect. Rolston v. State, 81 N.E.3d 1097 (Ind. Ct. App. 2017). Evidence may be excluded if it confuses the issues.

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I think the phrase “that is not relevant” is the key here.
Jmo