VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[daynaRT]

Ahhhhh, I forgot Indiana doesn’t do daylight savings so they’re not an hour behind now.

Some of us in Indiana do, some of us don't. It's fun living right near the time zone line.

 

[m00c0w]

Some of us in Indiana do, some of us don't. It's fun living right near the time zone line.

I’ve learned that apparently I don’t know much about time zones in Indiana.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Let’s pretend Abby should have screamed as she lay bleeding profusely from her neck. Maybe she tried, and her windpipe was full of blood. That is what the jury would picture.

Maybe she did try, and no one heard her. That doesn’t lead to RA must be innocent.

What was the intended point by defense? Back to the narrative where the girls were moved and brought back?

It was a vile way to try and make a roundabout point.

jmo

 

[daynaRT]

I’ve learned that apparently I don’t know much about time zones in Indiana.

it's a mess

 

[minor4th]

You think “police officers carried similar ammunition on the scene” is accurate when this was specifically testified to as being inaccurate because most officers were not armed on scene, and the ones that were carried 9mm pistols?

“Similar” is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

JMO

I don’t think that’s what I was responding to.

ETA: I was responding more to the state’s expert not being able to rule out other guns.

 

[Spartygirl]

She had the wits about her to recognize the man meant trouble.

She was brave and started a video.

She looked for a path for them to get away.

She tried to unlock her phone without RA's notice.

She dropped clothes in the creek on purpose. (I'd like to think)

She hid her cell in her shoe.

She tried to run.......

She said someday she is going to help police solve crimes, that’s exactly what she DID.

Love, Love, Love this.

Gave me goose bumps and tears.

Praying for Justice for Libby & Abby !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Inthedetails]

View attachment 543673 it's a mess

My head hurts!

So if it's 4:15pm Eastern time (where I am), what time is it in Delphi?

jmo

 

[minor4th]

Yes, it is. I'm intimately familiar with it, as my young adult son was in two different inpatient psychiatric wards for a month earlier this fall. He had both injected and pill form of Haldol. I had long talks with his attending psychiatrists at each of the hospitals about Haldol and psychosis.

Haldol doesn't create spontaneous false confessions.

Agreed.

 

[pseudo_hum]

My head hurts!

So if it's 4:15pm Eastern time (where I am), what time is it in Delphi?

jmo

Same

 

[m00c0w]

I don’t think that’s what I was responding to.

I highlighted two specific points (annotated at beginning of the post via Bolded By Me) and said they were false. You said “I think they are accurate.”

…

 

[m00c0w]

My head hurts!

So if it's 4:15pm Eastern time (where I am), what time is it in Delphi?

jmo

Same

I believe I have discovered that Delphi time currently matches Eastern Time. So 4:15 = 4:15.

 

[steeltowngirl]

She had the wits about her to recognize the man meant trouble.

She was brave and started a video.

She looked for a path for them to get away.

She tried to unlock her phone without RA's notice.

She dropped clothes in the creek on purpose. (I'd like to think)

She hid her cell in her shoe.

She tried to run.......

She said someday she is going to help police solve crimes, that’s exactly what she DID.

I also like to think that by LE investigating Libby’s contact with the a_shots account, that led to nailing KAK, and maybe others. She did help solve a crime, unintentionally.

jmo

 

[ClearAhead]

Trial of alleged Delphi murderer Richard Allen continues as he maintains his innocence

The small town of Delphi, Indiana, is reeling with grief and shock after the horrific double murder of two teenage girls in broad daylight.

abcnews.go.com

Jefferson Calico, an associate professor at University of the Cumberlands in Kentucky, studied Pagan religions, including Odinism, and explained what this means.

"So runes are widely incorporated into Odinist culture as well," Calico said. "So if there were runes in the crime scene, then that would be a reason to suspect pagan or Odinist involvement for sure. For instance, the sticks over the body, possibly a rune mark on a tree. It's not convincing to me as someone who studied these religions, but it provides an interpretation of some of the details of the crime scene."

But Calico also said that Odinists were not known to engage in human sacrificial rituals and added that, as believers in white supremacy, it would make no sense to kill two Caucasian girls.

 

[Notthisshipsister]

But the questions coming to my mind are why is the cord connection starting at around 6pm when they are supposed to have crossed the water at around 2:30 and how did it clear itself if it were dirt or moisture with the phone located where it was? Those things just don't make sense to me.

I am having trouble with that myself. The phone was under Abby's body. If we're saying that she wasn't moved by someone, and she certainly didn't move herself-- how could the same conditions that caused the phone to register the events (headphones, auxiliary cord being plugged in) change? I don't think it's a stretch to say that whatever water, mud, debris got into the phone port, didn't flow away or dry up.

 

[lonetraveler]

The round at the scene proved BG had a gun. I don't need sounds of racking, audio that may or may not indicate that the girls said he had a gun, or a lack of bullet wounds to tell me that.

The odds of someone previously ejecting a 40 caliber round in the woods prior to the murders, and that round somehow winding up between two dead bodies, is so astronomically unlikely that it doesn't warrant any further consideration.

How did one man control two girls? What always made the most sense was that this man was armed with a gun. Why would a round be ejected? Because the girls weren't complying.

You're not going to get a usable print or DNA from a round that has been left to the mercy of the elements, and covered in dirt. I'm glad they tried though.

They clearly looked at BW, and put his gun through the same paces as they did Allen's weapon (and 6 other firearms). Only Allen's provided a match, and the defense witness did very little to cast doubt on that (shockingly below what I expected).

It is completely reasonable to believe that not only was a gun used in the commission of this crime, but it was in fact Allen's gun that was used.

Yes, I believe that the girls going "down the hill" would have taken off and ran like hades as soon as they got to the bottom if he had not had a gun.

 

[Wallendo]

A jugular injury alone would not prevent a scream. An external jugular injury would take some time to be lethal. An internal jugular injury could cause fairly rapid exsanguination, but there would still be time to scream. Unfortunately, a major injury can often lead to a mental shock where the primal instinct to scream is not activated. A tracheal injury, especially if associated with bleeding into the trachea could make a victim unable to scream.

 

[justtrish]

I think a 2 hour verdict would be wild, but I’m not sure why they’d be released early if they hadn’t come to some sort of conclusion. Very interesting.

They have been sequestered AND they were allowed to discuss the case if all 12 were present. I think they have been discussing things daily. I mean why would they not if it's allowed? I would need to disucss some of this stuff for sure so I really wonder if they maybe went over what they heard each day at the end of the day and at least had went over the bascis before they offically started deliberations. That would make sense to me.

Usually a jury isn't allowed to dicuss the case before hand. So when they get sent off to deliverate I'm sure some of that time is just spent going over all the things they couldn't talk about to that point. This jury had the ability to do a daily discussion if they wanted to. I hope they did because it's easier to process all this testimony right after it happens IMO.

Maybe they did reach a verdict or at least they know they have so they went back early to sleep on it and will come back tomorrow and be done.

 

[MassGuy]

Trial of alleged Delphi murderer Richard Allen continues as he maintains his innocence

The small town of Delphi, Indiana, is reeling with grief and shock after the horrific double murder of two teenage girls in broad daylight.

abcnews.go.com

Jefferson Calico, an associate professor at University of the Cumberlands in Kentucky, studied Pagan religions, including Odinism, and explained what this means.

"So runes are widely incorporated into Odinist culture as well," Calico said. "So if there were runes in the crime scene, then that would be a reason to suspect pagan or Odinist involvement for sure. For instance, the sticks over the body, possibly a rune mark on a tree. It's not convincing to me as someone who studied these religions, but it provides an interpretation of some of the details of the crime scene."

But Calico also said that Odinists were not known to engage in human sacrificial rituals and added that, as believers in white supremacy, it would make no sense to kill two Caucasian girls.

I really am disappointed this didn’t come in, if for no other reason than this week has been pretty boring. I could have had a lot of fun with this theory.

 

[Davemac1]

The round at the scene proved BG had a gun. I don't need sounds of racking, audio that may or may not indicate that the girls said he had a gun, or a lack of bullet wounds to tell me that.

The odds of someone previously ejecting a 40 caliber round in the woods prior to the murders, and that round somehow winding up between two dead bodies, is so astronomically unlikely that it doesn't warrant any further consideration.

How did one man control two girls? What always made the most sense was that this man was armed with a gun. Why would a round be ejected? Because the girls weren't complying.

You're not going to get a usable print or DNA from a round that has been left to the mercy of the elements, and covered in dirt. I'm glad they tried though.

They clearly looked at BW, and put his gun through the same paces as they did Allen's weapon (and 6 other firearms). Only Allen's provided a match, and the defense witness did very little to cast doubt on that (shockingly below what I expected).

It is completely reasonable to believe that not only was a gun used in the commission of this crime, but it was in fact Allen's gun that was used.

Well that just about seals it for me. I've not had a chance to read through all the bullet data but that is pretty compelling.
I'd made my mind up that RA is BG through details he gave up when he officially spoke to LE and witness statements to corroborate.
But that isn't enough on its own I don't think to say with certainty he carried out the crime.
If the bullet info is accurate then when you put it all together, and put it altogether you must, (timeline, clothing identification, THE Video. Evidence at the crime scene and confession) then I think by virtue of the sum of it's parts BARD can be reached.

 

[minor4th]

Let’s pretend Abby should have screamed as she lay bleeding profusely from her neck. Maybe she tried, and her windpipe was full of blood. That is what the jury would picture.

Maybe she did try, and no one heard her. That doesn’t lead to RA must be innocent.

What was the intended point by defense? Back to the narrative where the girls were moved and brought back?

It was a vile way to try and make a roundabout point.

jmo

I don’t think it really says anything about anything that no screams were heard. There could be a lot of reasons.