Aeromexico plane crashes just after take off in Mexico, 31 July 2018

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Aeromexico plane crashes in Mexico's Durango state

"An Aeromexico-operated (AEROMEX.MX) Embraer (EMBR3.SA) passenger jet crashed in Mexico’s northern state of Durango on Tuesday, the airline said, with the state’s civil protection agency saying there were so far no reports of deaths."

"TV images showed the tail of a plane bearing an Aeromexico logo emerging from scrubland and a column of smoke rising into the sky. A reporter for network Milenio said some passengers had survived and walked to a highway to seek help."
 
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Aeromexico plane with 101 on board crashes in northern Mexico, officials say (CBS/AP July 31, 2018 6:03pm)

An airline official told Mexican television the plane had 97 passengers and four crew members on board. Reuters reported a Durango civil protection spokesman said there were 80 people injured. .... Governor said there were not deaths.

Gerardo Ruiz Eparza, head of Mexico's Transport Department, said that "the plane fell upon takeoff." The flight covers the route between Mexico City and Durango.

A reporter for the news outlet Milenio said some passengers had survived and walked to a highway to seek help.
Durango plane crash: All 101 people on board survived, governor says
 
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So far 18 people have injuries and have been sent to Durango General hospital.

Noticias Telemundo on Twitter
 
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This would be nothing short of a miracle if everyone made it out alive. The footage from the news is amazing. Had us right in the field near the plane. And showing hospital staff waiting for wounded.

I am impressed with Mexico news reporting of something like this. In US they normally would not let cameras get so close to the action like this. Free press is alive and well in Mexico. Kudos to them. Great coverage. Wish I knew spanish though. :)

So happy to hear early reports of survivors. From the initial scenes I did not have much hope of that and am so happy to hear now that there were survivors. I hope it stays that way. Prayers for all involved.
 
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Live (in Spanish)

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That is the live news coverage that seems to be the best. For anybody that knows spanish you may get some good up to date information. The pictures and coverage is really good.
 
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That is the live news coverage that seems to be the best. For anybody that knows spanish you may get some good up to date information. The pictures and coverage is really good.
I am bilingual. I am very impressed with the reporter. He is talking slowly and deliberately so no one misunderstands anything he says. Really very impressive reporting.
 
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That is the live news coverage that seems to be the best. For anybody that knows spanish you may get some good up to date information. The pictures and coverage is really good.
It was raining very hard with hail when the plane took off. It basically never took off according to the reporters on the ground. It ran off the runway.
 
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It was raining very hard with hail when the plane took off. It basically never took off according to the reporters on the ground. It ran off the runway.

Thanks Suglo. That jives with something I read earlier that said they were trying to takeoff and then decided to abort the takeoff and it was not successful abort so they went off the runway.

This could explain how there were survivors. Maybe they all got out before the flames started to burn up the plane.

The smoldering wreckage now is incredible with not much left of the roof of the fuselage. And the front of the plane looks like it separated some from the other part of fuselage. Must have been quite a ride for passengers. So glad we are hearing survivors. Lets hope they all stay as survived and nobody passes due to inuries or anything.
 
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Thanks Suglo. That jives with something I read earlier that said they were trying to takeoff and then decided to abort the takeoff and it was not successful abort so they went off the runway.

This could explain how there were survivors. Maybe they all got out before the flames started to burn up the plane.

The smoldering wreckage now is incredible with not much left of the roof of the fuselage. And the front of the plane looks like it separated some from the other part of fuselage. Must have been quite a ride for passengers. So glad we are hearing survivors. Lets hope they all stay as survived and nobody passes due to inuries or anything.
This is exactly what they were explaining. They didn’t go into much detail about the injuries but no news is good news for now. To think that those engines were probably carrying the max amount of jet fuel. It’s no wonder the hull burned like it did. This is a bit of a miracle.
 
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Oh my gosh how terrible but what a surprising relief to have no deaths! That's wonderful :)
 
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here is video from inside during the crash sequence (long sequence) - it crash sequence was like 33 seconds I counted!

here is one for comparison - the actual duration of the crash sequence:

Plane carrying 101 people crashes after takeoff

From this is does not appear to be an aborted takeoff - they did get airborne about 10 minutes

Biggest initial survival component is structure remaining intact (crush zone stuff exit egress remaining oriented ) - she is reasonably intact !

the had all gotten out before fire consumed her

was Embraer 190 aircraft (a short haul aircraft) jetblue uses a lot of these

Aeromexico is the second biggest operator of the type (jetblue number one)

as of last year jet blue was running 60 of them Aeromexico 39

Jet blue did start to have to reanalyze the 190 overall cost numbers compared to the the A320 tho. Jet blue had 24 on order

very similar to the 737 and A320 (single aisle twin jet)

seating a total of 99 passengers, including 11 in Clase Premier, which is the carrier’s Business Class cabin.

solid safety record

Aero has an incredibly young fleet of aircraft - it looks like all they operating now is this aircraft (they are running three versions of the same model) - av age of aircraft 9 years -- that is very young!!

All manufacturers make derivatives of the basic model - its like they do the main release of the model and then over time they tweak the model (increase seating engines used more thrust etc etc They are operating 3 derivatives of the 190

If a carrier is gonna operate a ton of a type they will whip one up especially for the carrier ! Boeing made its 747 for Pan AM! And i mean for Pan AM! They told Boeing exactly what they want.

Its amazing stuff. I will buy your aircraft if it flies 9 451 miles nonstop weighs no more than 451,000 pounds, each engine produces 125,000 pounds of thrust, it seats 312 , costs XXXX per hour to operate only needs X number of crew etc etc .

They agree . Then years later if she does not meet the numbers the manufacturer pays a penalty!

the oldest one in their fleet is from 2007 - will try to find the registration of the one that crashed




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pilot needed surgery for leg and back (seat collapse?)


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Microbursts have the power to knock any aircraft out of the sky, even jets. And since we're in the middle of summer's convective weather, there's an increased risk everywhere in the US.

Microbursts took down Eastern Airlines Flight 66 in 1975 (a 727), and Delta Airlines Flight 191 in 1985 (an L-1011).

Since these two accidents, microburst detection has come a long way, and microburst hazards are a standard part of training.

Roughly pretend like you have a huge firehose on top of the aircraft.

you spray it down AHEAD of the plane. When the water smashes into the ground water all around where it hits splashes UP

so when an aircraft enters one at first it is squashed downwards. If they have enough altitude when they come out of one then they get rammed upwards from the outflow of water on the other side .

In this one they did not have enough altitude to recover. Ot think of a giant rainly fan in the sky - getting slammed downward suddenly.

The microbursts also really mess up their airspeed. At one second they are flying into a huge sudden headwind followed by a fercious tailwind so they get suddenly slowed down then suddenly speeded up.

Engines need time to spool up and pilots need reaction time so it is a really bad mix.

Hail is common is microburts

The Delta 191 was the milestone accident that taught microbursts. It was also one time where my father started to worry if his son was totally insane. I truly beleived he would be thrilled. It was educationial! Money was not an issue,

For my birthday I asked if he would fly me out to TX and put me up for the 191 hearings the NTSB were holding!

I really did not expect his reaction -- for your birthday you want to fly to texas for a plane crash investigation??

The answer was yes!

THe L-1011 remains my favoritest fastest favorite!! Ever! I picked her by airline and flight segments when I flew all the years she was around.

Her engines were music and she was so graceful in the air!

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microburst aviation animation - Google Search:

This Is Why You Don't Want To Fly Into A Microburst

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I do remain surprised at the |miracle" angle of this story as more facts come out

Actually many survive in a lot of crashes. So much is about structural integrity as the crash sequence goes on. Smoke is a huge killer - cant see to get out and the fumes from the iterior can be tocic. Much has been done regarding materials in aircraft. She was just a baby (age wise and had many of these improvements) A huge thing they did was change the G forces the legs on the seats can tolerate that is huge.


If you look at her she was actually totally intact at the end of the sequence.

All were already out by the time the fire did its thing with the fuselage.

A lot of stuff is coming out now questioning leaving. Once that happens , on the takeoff roll all aircraft cross a point of no return. Each takeoff is calculated with fuel number on board winds runway conditions to get a speed for each flight on each takeoff roll.

Its called V1. rotate V2 It is the speed on the runway that no matter what happens the flight crew must continue to with attempting to get the aircraft into the air. Does not matter what happens. The pilot not flying calls out V1 to pilot flying. After that there is another little time that passes to allow it to get to the next calculation - where the aircraft has enough air speed to lift the nose gear off the runway.

When that speed is hit the non flying pilot yells out commands . Then shortly after that they call out rotate - that means the pilot flying pulls back and she takes to the sky!!

There runway roll was long which makes me thing they had passed v1 and the machine took a little longer to hit the callout speed cause of weather . Or to put it another way they had passed the callout and had no other choice - they were committed to flight.

They had little distance to fall down - impacting speed at impact - structure more intact .

here is what it looks like::


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notice capt flying keeps hands on throttle until the first call out - no need to have your hands on them after first callout you are dedicated to flying it off the runway!

They will know from recorder if they already hit V1 they did the right thing at that point

will also will probably hear a windshear yell out by the computer - that is just a serious warning that your gonna get a lot of changes of in speed changes

windshear is fascinating . WInd behind the aircraft (tailwind) suddenly pushes the plane forward real quick and their airspeed soars unexpectedly..the nose rises . The instantly try to put the nose down a bit . But then the wind shifts again suddenly and they are in a headwind. This makes the nose fall

So they are putting the nose a bit at first and then suddenly the headwind hits and the response to that is to pull up a bit - it is all so fast but they already have the nose headed down and then suddenly what they need is to pull it up

After delta 191 they really trained flight crews to be ready for the switches

tid bits

captain most seriously injured aboard

Seventeen people were still receiving medical attention Thursday.
 
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(Hi, Following. Wow just wow, just saw the NBC Nightly news report. Worth posting will look for link

I juuuuuuust saw on this show I watch “Air Disasters” another crash from the 80s I think where it was a similar thing and the pilot was being questioned for his decision to take off in the weather...they had interviews with Air Traffic Control, etc.

It looks like the weather got fast here, saw a time lapse weather shot...
Hoping to see our usual peeps in here!)
 
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I just spotted this article.
I'm so pleased everyone survived!
Mexico plane crash: All 103 people on board survive
I just saw on the nbc news that lately there have been many crashes lately where all survived (knock on wood)...on the list of the recent crashes, Denver, Continental, American, Chicago etc etc

Thankfully everyone must have followed advice to evacuate quickly and not tried to get their luggage or post on social media.

I was expecting numerous fatalities. Hope it stays this way.
On the same news clip referenced above (haha how’s that for being link lazy..no tech diffs so being brief)

Anyway they showed an interview with , was it a senator, talking about the safety on carry on luggage? What was that about, note to look into.

It was raining very hard with hail when the plane took off. It basically never took off according to the reporters on the ground. It ran off the runway.
It was either a passenger that was t who was interviewed via Skype from his hotel room or the other pastor I think from his hospital bed said that had it been just a little higher, or a little faster...
 
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Delete (sorry tech probs)
 

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