GUILTY AK - Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed aboard Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017 *husband arrested*

[Niner]

That guy, without a doubt, is extremely dangerous...no matter what excuse he may give. And he took her life. He is still responsible. No one else is. Just him. Just my opinion. Yet fact.

And an eye witness(es)....

Seajay - just scroll and roll nline:

 

[possumheart]

To be fair, websleuths advertises this thread with the 'wouldn't stop laughing' line. It is provocative, but we don't know how true it is.

 

[pamelado2]

If it was one hit or punch, and she died, that's one thing. Right? But he was gonna throw her overboard. So I'm thinking premeditation.


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Curious, why do you think that means premeditation?

My thinking on that, since he also tried to jump overboard, was that his intention was for them to both die together. Since there were other relatives in the room it didn't make sense to me that he was trying to hide anything he did. Also, that being the scenario, I didn't think he was making sure she was dead.

Of course MOO, since it's all speciation.

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[CocoChanel]

Please forgive me for jumping in the middle of this conversation without reading each and every post. I have read some each day since it happened but my silly job keeps me from giving this sad case the full attention it deserves.

Just wanted to comment that as a frequent cruise passenger, I don't know how anyone could break down the door of a stateroom. Most of them are currently metal and very heavy. I think it would be more likely that one of the crew were able to use a master key card to open it. The cabin stewards have master keys so it would not be necessary to break down the door. It certainly may have delayed getting access to locate a key, but I just can't imagine being able to break that metal door unless it was a SWAT team with a battering ram. Unfortunately that is EXACTLY what was needed in this tragic situation, but no SWAT teams on cruise ships to my knowledge. I suppose if I am correct, we just chalk that up to inaccurate reporting once again.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Please forgive me for jumping in the middle of this conversation without reading each and every post. I have read some each day since it happened but my silly job keeps me from giving this sad case the full attention it deserves.

Just wanted to comment that as a frequent cruise passenger, I don't know how anyone could break down the door of a stateroom. Most of them are currently metal and very heavy. I think it would be more likely that one of the crew were able to use a master key card to open it. The cabin stewards have master keys so it would not be necessary to break down the door. It certainly may have delayed getting access to locate a key, but I just can't imagine being able to break that metal door unless it was a SWAT team with a battering ram. Unfortunately that is EXACTLY what was needed in this tragic situation, but no SWAT teams on cruise ships to my knowledge. I suppose if I am correct, we just chalk that up to inaccurate reporting once again.

Good point about the stateroom door. Anyone who's been on a cruise ship knows that all doors are very heavy and, when closed, create a watertight compartment. Besides the stateroom entry door, the bathroom door is also very heavy and watertight when closed. I haven't been in an adjoining stateroom, but it's possible that the door that links the staterooms might not be as sturdy. Maybe they actually broke through that door and not the door leading to the alleyway. Actually, it's possible that the men could break through stateroom walls that are modular compartments and quite thin.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Short video shows how stateroom modular compartments are assembled. Walls between cabins are quite thin, and it's not unusual to hear your neighbors talking in normal tones, toilet flush, water running in sink/shower, phone ring, TV, etc. [video=youtube;y7i0pf1UBEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7i0pf1UBEc[/video]

 

[ninij9]

I think all of the information thus far is hearsay. Do we even know if the husband's blood alcohol levels were recorded?

As far as I know, we have only 3 facts. One: Kristy is dead. Two: she is dead by homicide. Three: her husband is under arrest for her murder.

I think it's perfectly ok for us to conjecture the rest. I just wish everyone would remember to add "my opinion only" or some such while speaking. We have whole pages that make his drunken belligerence look like stated fact.

Jmo, moo.
Peace

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[ninij9]

Short video shows how stateroom modular compartments are assembled. Walls between cabins are quite thin, and it's not unusual to hear your neighbors talking in normal tones, toilet flush, water running in sink/shower, phone ring, TV, etc. [video=youtube;y7i0pf1UBEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7i0pf1UBEc[/video]

I feel very bad for the families that over heard or witnessed this tragedy. A cruise of a lifetime that could cause anxiety forever. Very sad.

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[pamelado2]

The man who is accused of killing his wife on an Alaskan cruise ship will not have a preliminary hearing, his lawyer said Thursday.*

Kenneth Manzanares, 39, waived his right to the hearing, and will appear before a federal grand jury the third week of August, according to defense attorney Jamie McGrady.*

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/08/...d-of-killing-his-wife-on-alaskan-cruise-ship/

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[dianaprince]

Good point about the stateroom door. Anyone who's been on a cruise ship knows that all doors are very heavy and, when closed, create a watertight compartment. Besides the stateroom entry door, the bathroom door is also very heavy and watertight when closed. I haven't been in an adjoining stateroom, but it's possible that the door that links the staterooms might not be as sturdy. Maybe they actually broke through that door and not the door leading to the alleyway. Actually, it's possible that the men could break through stateroom walls that are modular compartments and quite thin.

The father and brother could have also broken through the sliding glass door on the balcony. I have stayed in connecting mini suite rooms (like this one) on Princess ships on several occasions. The locks on the balcony doors are flimsy and the doors themselves are (obviously) glass.

 

[pamelado2]

Does anyone know what it means that he waived his right to the preliminary hearing and will appear before a federal grand jury instead?

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[musicaljoke]

If it was one hit or punch, and she died, that's one thing. Right? But he was gonna throw her overboard. So I'm thinking premeditation.


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Do we know if she was alive or dead when he tried to throw her overboard? Perhaps you are right and he was trying to drown her.

 

[La Louve]

Not that I have 100% confidence in journalism these days, but it's been reported that he was trying to pull her body over the railing and a witness was pulling her body by the ankles back onto the balcony. The use of the word 'body' leads me to believe she was already dead.

ETA the msm link

Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl View Post
Kenneth Manzanares told witnesses he killed her because his wife “would not stop laughing at (him).”

Kristy Manzanares, 39, was found dead in the cabin at 9:20 p.m. She had a severe head wound and blood was all over the room.

When a security officer came into the room he noticed blood on the hands and clothing of Kenneth Manzanares, the victim's husband.

A witness saw Manzanares grab Kristy Manzanares’ body and drag her toward the balcony of the cabin where the couple was staying. The witness took hold of Kristy Manzanares' body by the ankles to prevent her from being thrown overboard.

Later, as the FBI searched the husband for any physical evidence he spontaneously said, “my life is over.”

http://kutv.com/news/local/court-hus...laughing-at-me

 

[human]

I imagine he was so enraged that he was not checking to see if she was alive or not

 

[cocomod]

Do we know if she was alive or dead when he tried to throw her overboard? Perhaps you are right and he was trying to drown her.

I have a strong suspicion - My Opinion Only - that after he beat her, he was going to throw her overboard and jump overboard himself. I think once he snapped, his intention was murder/suicide. The fact that her dad and brother came along changed the direction of the situation.

This is soooo very sad on so many levels. I pray for strength for her daughters.

My co-worker grew up with and was a close family friend of Kristy's mom. She was a beautiful person inside and out!

 

[human]

Often when a woman is killed by an abuser, he ends up killing himself.

Do you think he thought about killing her and then himself or do you think it got out of control with rage?

It seems like when someone is in rage, they are incapable of thinking.

He said his life was over when arrested, but he was going to dive into the ocean.

Did he think he was going to swim away?

 

[IQuestion]

Does anyone know what it means that he waived his right to the preliminary hearing and will appear before a federal grand jury instead?

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Great question PAMELADO2 and I hope our great contributor, GITANA1 (who is far more knowledgeable on legal calls, but absolutely blew me away with her unbelievable insight and accuracy on a lot of her/his posts, in related issues, too.) comes back to help with understanding the legalese. This case IMO just took an unexpected turn. Waiving a right to preliminary, gives me the impression of, "Let's get on with it" or "I want to get to trial asap!" Or, maybe the defense has said "we already know what you are going to present and nothing changes what happened." (Or just the opposite because I can't understand anything beyond, "The jury can be excused.") In any case, the logistics of bringing witnesses back to Alaska for a trial....is also a daunting task. However, the Feds have the financing to accomplish it. (When a neighbor's daughter was killed at a Nat'l park....the gov't spared no cost in recreating the entire scene/area for the jury to prove she had been pushed as opposed to losing her footing and falling.)
Anyway...just reading along & scrolling, too.:seeya:

 

[IQuestion]

With the assistance of my favorite research assistant Miss Google, I typed in the search engine:
What does waive your right to a preliminary hearing mean?
"This allows the case to proceed to trial (though not immediately). The reasons the defense might waive the right to a preliminary hearing include: The defendant intends to plead guilty and wants to avoid publicity (and expense, if the defendant is represented by private counsel)."
Buh-bye for now, Miss Google and Mr. Spellcheck are taking a break.
https://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/should-you-waive-your-preliminary-hearing--1
Explanation #4 is VERY INTERESTING....

 

[Sillybilly]

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[pamelado2]

Often when a woman is killed by an abuser, he ends up killing himself.

Do you think he thought about killing her and then himself or do you think it got out of control with rage?

It seems like when someone is in rage, they are incapable of thinking.

He said his life was over when arrested, but he was going to dive into the ocean.

Did he think he was going to swim away?

I wonder what you mean by often. Is there some link you could post? I ask because the only cases I've followed of an abuser killing his SO, he didn't kill himself, he tried to hide it. I thought it was by far the minority that committed suicide. I'm curious now.

Personally, I honestly feel his rage was over once she was unconscious/dead. His in-laws were in the room within moments of that according to the reports I read.

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