AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[mks762]

One thing I've been throwing around the last few days is even if TT was in jail or rehab or Disney Land, that doesn't mean he wasn't somehow involved in her disappearance. Sorry if this is against TOS?? But we do seem to be discussing TT's involvement or lack there of.
Hypothetically speaking if he was in jail- just because he didn't directly have contact with DNV that night doesn't mean he couldn't have been involved. So I guess what I'm saying is yes it would help to know where he was 7/17/18 obviously, but I'm not ruling him out- even if he was locked up- until we hear from LE he had nothing to do with this.

 

[auburnmomof2]

I have been following this case and have a few thoughts/questions.
- Do we know for certain that she recently gave up a newborn for adoption? I keep seeing this mentioned but am curious if this is just a guess or if its a known fact.
-I kept thinking maybe car 3 was someone who saw her and pulled in behind her to say hey see whats up etc. But she only had that car for less than 24 hours so people wouldn't recognize it as being her. Could car 3 have mistaken her for someone else? Possibly a previous owner of that car that had maybe gotten repossessed and was angry over it thinking that they should still have that car? Not likely but just a thought.
-DW said he was going home after Dublin and didn't realize she was following him, right? (maybe I misread something) They weren't close friends so if he left Dublin's headed home, why would he pull over if she flashed the headlights? She was in a new to her car and he wouldn't have been paying that close attention if he didn't think she was following him. So that seems off in my opinion.
-I just think it is really strange that DW went back to get her phone unless she was waiting on someone to meet them at the Shell. But I can see DW leaving to get it and not questioning car 3. He could've thought it was someone she knew and saw no reason for concern if he saw car 3 pull in. Or he could've thought it was someone random just pulling in there to turn around or something. But not many people would know she was the one driving that car unless she had contact with them earlier in the day.
-Maybe she was getting low on gas and didn't think she'd have enough to get to Dublin's then the other bar and so he offered to go get it for her? But I want to know what the last plans they made. Was he going to get the phone and meet her at ollie's? They had to have had something planned in order for him to get the phone to her. But he may have thought she went to hang out with car 3 people and didn't question why she didn't show up. I have had friends that would say they were meeting us somewhere and then go do something else and that's just how they were lol. Was she the type to always do what she said or would she say she'd meet up with friends and then end up going somewhere else?
-The disabled GPS...she bought the car that day. Maybe the dealership had the gps on the car and the subscription ended at midnight after the car was sold. There are times when things that happen at midnight happen at 11:00 pm on central time. This doesn't happen often but I have had it happen before.
-TT being in jail throws up a big red flag to me. Not implying he is responsible for her disappearance but if he really has nothing to hide then why not just come out and say exactly where he was. JDT has been very vocal about trying to find her. But we have no way of knowing if her efforts are sincere or if she is trying to throw everyone off. Not likely but who knows in this case.
-The cctv footage....UGH! This makes me so angry! There is video available that could answer so many questions. How many cases do we look at that we would love to have some video of the last interaction we know of to help solve it?! I think it is very likely that car 3 demanded it be removed using privacy reasons. I can't see LE telling the family, which isn't actually family, to have it removed. That just doesn't make any sense.
-WHY isn't LE and media doing more to find her?! Maybe they know who is responsible and are keeping it close until they get more evidence.
-Her apartment...I can't see any landlord or property manager not giving her some grace before throwing her stuff on the street! LE knew she is missing and didn't do more to protect her things and any evidence it might contain! I am furious that TT was allowed to go into her apartment and get "his" things just by saying he was living with her. If his name wasn't on the lease then he should've never been allowed to remove anything! It wouldn't matter if he had a key or not. She had been reported missing so they should've been keeping an eye on her home! I'd love to know when TT first went into her apartment after she went missing. If there was cash left there, what happened to it? No one should have taken it unless an account was set up for her daughter with all cash she left. There has got to be cctv from her building or the entrance to her apartment complex.
This entire case is so bizarre! What we have learned about DW his story seems really sketchy but we have no clue what he told LE and that could be totally different than what has been said he said.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Also I believe he was at the first vigil, very early on. I will go back and look. But if anyone remembers, please confirm.

Yes, TT was at the vigil.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I have been following this case and have a few thoughts/questions. BBM COMMENTS BELOW:
- Do we know for certain that she recently gave up a newborn for adoption? I keep seeing this mentioned but am curious if this is just a guess or if its a known fact. This was verified by JDT last week I believe via our VI. Baby was born 6/1/18. This has been know from the beginning of the case by JDT but not shared until just recently. The significance of this event has been debated and discussed on earlier threads.
-I kept thinking maybe car 3 was someone who saw her and pulled in behind her to say hey see whats up etc. But she only had that car for less than 24 hours so people wouldn't recognize it as being her. Could car 3 have mistaken her for someone else? Possibly a previous owner of that car that had maybe gotten repossessed and was angry over it thinking that they should still have that car? Not likely but just a thought. Car 3 is source of endless speculation on WS! We just don't know why DNV would spend 20 min sitting at station with Car 3. Was she aware and conscious or incapacitated? Did she know or not know Car 3 occupants?
-DW said he was going home after Dublin and didn't realize she was following him, right? (maybe I misread something) They weren't close friends so if he left Dublin's headed home, why would he pull over if she flashed the headlights? She was in a new to her car and he wouldn't have been paying that close attention if he didn't think she was following him. So that seems off in my opinion. This DW explanation certainly has holes but DNV and DW had known each other for awhile and so he wasn't unknown to her.
-I just think it is really strange that DW went back to get her phone unless she was waiting on someone to meet them at the Shell. But I can see DW leaving to get it and not questioning car 3. He could've thought it was someone she knew and saw no reason for concern if he saw car 3 pull in. Or he could've thought it was someone random just pulling in there to turn around or something. But not many people would know she was the one driving that car unless she had contact with them earlier in the day. Agree with you. Many believe someone might have been following DNV and so was able to pull into Shell shortly after DW/Car 1 pulls out. DW didn't look back for DNV so most likely didn't see Car 3 pull in.
-The cctv footage....UGH! This makes me so angry! There is video available that could answer so many questions. How many cases do we look at that we would love to have some video of the last interaction we know of to help solve it?! I think it is very likely that car 3 demanded it be removed using privacy reasons. I can't see LE telling the family, which isn't actually family, to have it removed. That just doesn't make any sense. Agree. I think most people believe Car 3 could be a key to figuring out what happened and hope that the CCTV would show Car 3 and occupant/s. Your theory about car 3 demanding it be removed is interesting as its not something I've heard brought up. It appeared that JDT was the person that requested that CCTV be removed, then we heard that it had been removed by the station at the request of LE. Frankly the story of the removal of the CCTV hasn't been confirmed by MPD and they have never spoken about what exactly is visible on the CCTV which has made sleuthing this case so so difficult IMO.
-WHY isn't LE and media doing more to find her?! Maybe they know who is responsible and are keeping it close until they get more evidence. Agree. This is a $1 million question IMO. We have local press not seeming to confirm statements made by Mobile 'family' with LE and then so many of these unconfirmed statements have crept into discussion as facts when they could be anything but facts. This also has made the process of figuring out what is going on very hard. We haven't found one investigative journalist in Mobile who seems willing to dig into questions about the GPS, other CCTV, what was on original CCTV. At one point we spent some time on previous thread just writing down questions for the press and I think we had close to 75 questions! Not one of the questions has ever been asked by the press to LE and then a follow up story generated. Press seems totally reactive and not prone to investigative journalism based on what I've seen. They look for quick soundbites to hit the nightly news and that's it based on what we have seen. Its sad from the perspective of the missing person IMO.

This entire case is so bizarre! Agree. I'm just hoping that we have resolution of the case for the sake of the missing person and her daughter. The fact that MPD hasn't brought in outside help from State or FBI is disturbing to me now that we are in month 3. At a certain point I have to wonder if MPD has any interest in solving the case or as others have alluded to that a coverup of a protected witness or other significant person is involved. Chief of Police said MPD was out of leads weeks ago so its baffling to not see pictures of all the vehicles at the Shell station all over the media asking for the publics help. But he also said this is not a typical missing case. We still don't know what that means!

All I can saw is WOW @auburnmomof2! What a list of great questions and ideas.

 

[AtticusFitz]

One thing I've been throwing around the last few days is even if TT was in jail or rehab or Disney Land, that doesn't mean he wasn't somehow involved in her disappearance. Sorry if this is against TOS?? But we do seem to be discussing TT's involvement or lack there of.
Hypothetically speaking if he was in jail- just because he didn't directly have contact with DNV that night doesn't mean he couldn't have been involved. So I guess what I'm saying is yes it would help to know where he was 7/17/18 obviously, but I'm not ruling him out- even if he was locked up- until we hear from LE he had nothing to do with this.

Agree completely! I hope the MPD is all over TT alibi issue and also hope that MPD thoroughly investigates whether anyone closely involved with DNV owed money to the wrong people and couldn't pay it back. The idea of TT having access to a phone the day after disappearance leads me to believe that he wasn't incarcerated but this is JMO based on total absense of information from Mobile 'family' on this point. Given the absence of information on TT and the fact that he hasn't been publicly cleared by MPD, I've just put him on list of people with no alibi. The same questions have been asked over and over so at this point it seems pointless to continue to ask the same questions about TT or any of the Mobile 'family' for that matter. Let's just keep it moving and hope MPD is working to unravel the many questions swirling around this case!

 

[Keyedin]

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[AtticusFitz]

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Brilliant! I will watch it again and double check the transcript as you asked but on first quick read I think you got it all in its true glory IMO! I go back and forth on whether he prepared for that PC or not? Was he speaking to DNV or someone that might have abducted her? One of the strangest PC's I have ever seen. Thanks so much for posting this! So curious what others hear when they listen to this again.

 

[mks762]

Could car 3 have mistaken her for someone else? Possibly a previous owner of that car that had maybe gotten repossessed and was angry over it thinking that they should still have that car? Not likely but just a thought.

Very interesting to bring up previous owner of DNV's car. Don't think I've seen this mentioned before and is definitely something worth considering IMO. Do we have any idea how long Pearl Motors had DNV's car before she bought it? The whole fact that this was DNV's first night with her new car HAS to mean something...obviously it could just be a crazy coincidence but at the moment I still think it has some significance.
There are many ways to go with that- first night with the car so she left on her own, someone saw a non-permanent license plate and figured it'd be an easy car to steal, previous owner/someone who had issues with previous owner saw the car and followed it, etc etc etc etc

The same questions have been asked over and over so at this point it seems pointless to continue to ask the same questions about TT or any of the Mobile 'family' for that matter. Let's just keep it moving and hope MPD is working to unravel the many questions swirling around this case!

Yes yes yes totally agree! Thank you for keeping the thread moving along.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

You hit the nail on the head, when you typed in LoJack. I'm mostly frustrated with the fact that is definitive that the GPS was disabled or somehow tampered with when we have 0 evidence that happened. Law Enforcement could have pings elsewhere, and not be telling people as it was suggested a little further back, which I never thought of but is an excellent point. I just think we wasted so much time on a disabled GPS when that is in no way been confirmed. It's just frustrating being told something as a fact then it turns out to be entirely untrue. I just don't want to get stuck on the fact this happened when it's entirely possible it didn't happen. I don't claim to be an expert on "pinging GPS" but to my knowledge from all of our great sleuths OnStar doesn't track your cars exact location unless you have the new OnStar family plan, so what events cause a ping? Is there a reason other than disabled that it stopped pinging, could the car just have been left somewhere?
Disabling the GPS makes it sound so nefarious, when in all actuality we don't know that that happened.

To be honest I'm just tired of this Danniella being painted in a negative light, I feel that it detracted people from getting involved, and we later find out it's a bit more complicated than it originally seemed. That's all!

I do not think anyone on WS has painted DNV in a negative light. In fact I think we have been quite the opposite.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Very interesting to bring up previous owner of DNV's car. Don't think I've seen this mentioned before and is definitely something worth considering IMO. Do we have any idea how long Pearl Motors had DNV's car before she bought it? The whole fact that this was DNV's first night with her new car HAS to mean something...obviously it could just be a crazy coincidence but at the moment I still think it has some significance.
There are many ways to go with that- first night with the car so she left on her own, someone saw a non-permanent license plate and figured it'd be an easy car to steal, previous owner/someone who had issues with previous owner saw the car and followed it, etc etc etc etc



Yes yes yes totally agree! Thank you for keeping the thread moving along.

Uggg....Thanks for highlighting what I wrote. I type as I think very quickly most times and don't at all edit so I get it wrong sometimes and I believe this sentence came off as too harsh and curt. When I re-read the sentence it sounded not at all like I intended so sorry to all. My only point was I don't believe we will get any answers to the questions asked. That's ok as questions can be asked but don't have to be answered. But I didn't mean at all for people not to ask questions on the thread. Not at all! Keep asking questions as its what keeps this inquiry going. Every time we get new questions and new people coming at this case from different angles and places it helps so much. Please don't stop asking questions!

 

[AtticusFitz]

I do not think anyone on WS has painted DNV in a negative light. In fact I think we have been quite the opposite.

I agree that we have been consistently victim friendly here. I think as certain issues came up some people asked questions and might not have personally agreed with decisions the victim might have made but in the end were still supportive of the victim. I also think we have called out some victim shaming comments brought in from FB and the podcast that was posted and this also spoke to our support of the missing DNV.

 

[mks762]

Uggg....Thanks for highlighting what I wrote. I type as I think very quickly most times and don't at all edit so I get it wrong sometimes and I believe this sentence came off as too harsh and curt. When I re-read the sentence it sounded not at all like I intended so sorry to all. My only point was I don't believe we will get any answers to the questions asked. That's ok as questions can be asked but don't have to be answered. But I didn't mean at all for people not to ask questions on the thread. Not at all! Keep asking questions as its what keeps this inquiry going. Every time we get new questions and new people coming at this case from different angles and places it helps so much. Please don't stop asking questions!

NO! (I was thinking about adding this to my earlier comment but didn't) You absolutely did not come off as harsh or curt!!! And I was not being sarcastic! I do totally agree with what you had said. I agree we won't be getting an answer to these questions about TT unfortunately- at least until LE tells us something and possibly not even then. I'm really happy with how things have been going here, everyone seems to be very respectful of each other and DNV and staying on topic. So many really great ideas and directions to look at even though LE is giving us nothing

 

[adot0902]

I do not think anyone on WS has painted DNV in a negative light. In fact I think we have been quite the opposite.

I agree (for the most part) WS has done a great job of not painting her in a negative light!!

 

[FrostykinHopkins]

I just watched the PC and I do not think that there was any emphasis on trying to reach DNV. IMOO, it seemed like the standard lines given just in case the victim or perp(s) are watching. The only thing that stuck out to me is when the chief mentioned that at this point, on day 16, there is nothing for them to believe that there was foul play. The full CCTV had been viewed by LE by then, right? I know it was dark and grainy but you would think that general shapes and possible signs of a struggle would be apparent. As well, the interior of her car would need to be illuminated by either an overhead light, flashlight, phone light, etc. to disconnect the Onstar/gps therefore providing a better view of the passenger(s) in DNV's car, or at the very least, the ability to substantitate this is what occurred. Another option is that DNV's phone/text records support a planned meetup and the CCTV showed cars 2 & 3 departing separate ways, which has been brought up before.

At this point I cannot remember but did LE state that DW flashed his lights or was JDT the source of this info? For awhile I have been wondering if this is the story DW gave to JDT because he did not want to discuss that there was , in fact, a preplanned meet at the Shell station. All of this still leads us to not knowing much and it makes no sense that LE is not offering any clarification on anything. Sorry if this is all jumbled but I am in a rush.

 

[cedgison]

We have asked one question from the very beginning: when was TT released from jail?

You either do not know the answer, or you do not want to answer the question. HIPPA and rehab have nothing to do with when TT was released from police custody. Maybe even JDT doesn't know. Maybe no one wants to know.

That's fine. But we don't have to just believe what you say when it is contrary to public court records. If you are going to keep "correcting" us that what we are discussing isn't true, you are going to have to provide the evidence or a simple answer to a direct question. Otherwise, you'll continue to just talk at us instead of having any real conversation.

JDT stated that TT called DW on 7/18. If that is true, he was not in jail.

Again - I don't know; never have. What I do know is that it's not relevant per LE; they have cleared TT.

ETA: I know that drug use needs to be considered. I mentioned early on the possibility of it being a drug encounter gone wrong.

 

[cedgison]

I have been following this case and have a few thoughts/questions.
- Do we know for certain that she recently gave up a newborn for adoption? I keep seeing this mentioned but am curious if this is just a guess or if its a known fact.
-I kept thinking maybe car 3 was someone who saw her and pulled in behind her to say hey see whats up etc. But she only had that car for less than 24 hours so people wouldn't recognize it as being her. Could car 3 have mistaken her for someone else? Possibly a previous owner of that car that had maybe gotten repossessed and was angry over it thinking that they should still have that car? Not likely but just a thought.
-DW said he was going home after Dublin and didn't realize she was following him, right? (maybe I misread something) They weren't close friends so if he left Dublin's headed home, why would he pull over if she flashed the headlights? She was in a new to her car and he wouldn't have been paying that close attention if he didn't think she was following him. So that seems off in my opinion.
-I just think it is really strange that DW went back to get her phone unless she was waiting on someone to meet them at the Shell. But I can see DW leaving to get it and not questioning car 3. He could've thought it was someone she knew and saw no reason for concern if he saw car 3 pull in. Or he could've thought it was someone random just pulling in there to turn around or something. But not many people would know she was the one driving that car unless she had contact with them earlier in the day.
-Maybe she was getting low on gas and didn't think she'd have enough to get to Dublin's then the other bar and so he offered to go get it for her? But I want to know what the last plans they made. Was he going to get the phone and meet her at ollie's? They had to have had something planned in order for him to get the phone to her. But he may have thought she went to hang out with car 3 people and didn't question why she didn't show up. I have had friends that would say they were meeting us somewhere and then go do something else and that's just how they were lol. Was she the type to always do what she said or would she say she'd meet up with friends and then end up going somewhere else?
-The disabled GPS...she bought the car that day. Maybe the dealership had the gps on the car and the subscription ended at midnight after the car was sold. There are times when things that happen at midnight happen at 11:00 pm on central time. This doesn't happen often but I have had it happen before.
-TT being in jail throws up a big red flag to me. Not implying he is responsible for her disappearance but if he really has nothing to hide then why not just come out and say exactly where he was. JDT has been very vocal about trying to find her. But we have no way of knowing if her efforts are sincere or if she is trying to throw everyone off. Not likely but who knows in this case.
-The cctv footage....UGH! This makes me so angry! There is video available that could answer so many questions. How many cases do we look at that we would love to have some video of the last interaction we know of to help solve it?! I think it is very likely that car 3 demanded it be removed using privacy reasons. I can't see LE telling the family, which isn't actually family, to have it removed. That just doesn't make any sense.
-WHY isn't LE and media doing more to find her?! Maybe they know who is responsible and are keeping it close until they get more evidence.
-Her apartment...I can't see any landlord or property manager not giving her some grace before throwing her stuff on the street! LE knew she is missing and didn't do more to protect her things and any evidence it might contain! I am furious that TT was allowed to go into her apartment and get "his" things just by saying he was living with her. If his name wasn't on the lease then he should've never been allowed to remove anything! It wouldn't matter if he had a key or not. She had been reported missing so they should've been keeping an eye on her home! I'd love to know when TT first went into her apartment after she went missing. If there was cash left there, what happened to it? No one should have taken it unless an account was set up for her daughter with all cash she left. There has got to be cctv from her building or the entrance to her apartment complex.
This entire case is so bizarre! What we have learned about DW his story seems really sketchy but we have no clue what he told LE and that could be totally different than what has been said he said.

Yes, she gave birth in June 2018 & gave the baby up for adoption.

 

[Vail]

Arrested 6/6/18 in Mobile County, AL.

After his release, he was in rehab and has only been home from rehab for about 2-2.5 weeks.

Thank you for this. So he was arrested AND in rehab and Danni disappeared a week after he was arrested. I'm sorry to ask you to clarify this more but was he in rehab already when he was arrested and when did that start? He has only been out for 2-2.5 weeks but I recall someone saying he was in the apartment before LE searched it when the list of goals was found.

Who knew that she had a new car? Who knew that the new car had a GPS?

Who could have been in Car 3?

I speculate that:
1. Anyone interested in the car or skilled at perpetrating crimes would know it has some kind of tracking, as most recent models do.

2. Car 3 could be:
Dealer
Friend of TT
Friend of Danni
MK
Carjacker/random perp
Creepy stalker known to Danni but not necessarily a friend (coworker, acquaintance etc)
Her ex
Someone's jealous wife/girlfriend
Police officer
DW (less likely)

How did the car help make Danni disappear?

When I first read this I thought you were being literal and had a sudden image of the GPS leading her to her death like a bad Stephen King novel.

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[otto]

I don't think anyone is maliciously painting Danniella in a negative light...just being logical with what we know.

I think most of the people who suspect the GPS had been disabled are thinking that she was abducted and her abductor disabled it.

As far as seeming negative regarding suspecting drugs may have been involved...well we know she had a custody dispute that involved her testing positive for drugs. She was living as 'bffs' with a confirmed hard drug user. And she seemingly willingly drove to and spent approximately 20 minutes at a closed gas station known for drugs exchanges in the evening. That all points to drugs being involved in some way.

I realize she was an ultra hard worker who had many goals and was trying to make a better life for herself but IMHO you have to consider that likely something shady happened to her.

Danni followed DW to the Shell station because she flashed her lights at him. She had forgotten her phone at The Dublin. He picked the Shell station as a place to pull over. There does not seem to be any reason to add "drug deal" to this.

She and DW were at the Shell station for 2-3 minutes. As soon as DW left, another vehicle arrived at the gas station. During the next 16 minutes, the GPS was disabled, police could no longer state that Danni was driving the car, and Danni and her car then vanished.

 

[Vail]

Danni followed DW to the Shell station because she flashed her lights at him. She had forgotten her phone at The Dublin. He picked the Shell station as a place to pull over. There does not seem to be any reason to add "drug deal" to this.

She and DW were at the Shell station for 2-3 minutes. As soon as DW left, another vehicle arrived at the gas station. During the next 16 minutes, the GPS was disabled, police could no longer state that Danni was driving the car, and Danni and her car then vanished.

I mean, if we apply occam's razor to this, we're back at thread one page 5 and Danni has likely been carjacked, leading to both her and her car being in a mystery location.

 

[otto]

Again - I don't know; never have. What I do know is that it's not relevant per LE; they have cleared TT.

ETA: I know that drug use needs to be considered. I mentioned early on the possibility of it being a drug encounter gone wrong.

Danni was pregnant for most of the year prior to her disappearance.

I'm curious. Why is it realistic to assume that she was buying cannabis at the Shell station in the middle of the night? If she was a regular user, why wouldn't she just go to her seller's house?