AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[AtticusFitz]

I've wondered the same thing- if the footage was so terrible, how could they be certain which car belonged to each person? Just because I don't think there's enough evidence to completely rule out a drug-related occurrence, could Car 1 have been a dealer, Car 2 have been DW/DNV and Car 3 have been the other? JUST BRAINSTORMING If DNV set up the deal- which I think people go to because, well, we assume she knew people based on her people circle- and realized she left her phone, maybe she signaled DW not just to say she lost her phone, but to also let him know this is where we're going?

Admittedly, I don't think this is likely since both cars got there at 11:05, but sometimes brainstorming on other ideas does help rule out things.

@otto. Can you see a scenario where this might work with the timetable we have? Car 1 dealer quick in and out, Car 2 & 3 DNV and DW. They look for the phone don't find it and then he heads back to Dublins. 20 min pass and he heads back to Dublins to get phone and she goes we do not know where (maybe she was going to meet DW back at his house)? Could he make it back to Dublin's in time to get the phone if he stayed at the Shell station with DNW? I know we debated the time to drive back to Dublin's the other night but I still wonder if this is doable.

 

[whatinthekentuckyhell]

I could be very wrong, but if DNV was doing harder drugs, I seriously doubt there would be any chances of her getting custody back. Everything we have seen/heard from JDT is DNV was getting her life in order and she would soon be getting more custody. Our VI in a previous thread said JDT stated DNV only used pot. So I am not sure how we got back to harder drugs.

That’s exactly why I’m confused why the VI would suggest that’s DNV does hard drugs when there *really* has been zero evidence that she does anything besides smoke pot - and that was 5 years ago.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

@otto. Can you see a scenario where this might work with the timetable we have? Car 1 dealer quick in and out, Car 2 & 3 DNV and DW. They look for the phone don't find it and then he heads back to Dublins. 20 min pass and he heads back to Dublins to get phone and she goes we do not know where (maybe she was going to meet DW back at his house)? Could he make it back to Dublin's in time to get the phone if he stayed at the Shell station with DNW? I know we debated the time to drive back to Dublin's the other night but I still wonder if this is doable.

I guess a drug deal can go down in 2 minutes. And if DW raced the entire way, did not hit at red lights.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Yeah it seems like the dealers in Mobile seem to think the more brazen and bold the less suspicious.

I too am a nerd and have never purchased it used any illegal drug... I don’t need anything to make me any more sleepy or have more munchies

I’ve been wondering about all the recent arrests here lately... drug busts etc. they seem to be trying to clean the city up. I can’t help but wonder if they have informants helping them... I’m not sure how all that works but don’t they offer informants lesser sentences for their help?

Some of the commentary online about the latest roundup done by MPD has been both cynical and hilarious. Apparently there is a corridor where most of the people that were part of the round up live/work and it gets cleared out periodically by MPD. On a more serious note though I wonder if MPD searching out low level dealer types and street level crime types has any relevance to DNV case? If there was a drug connection wouldn't it be likely that it would be one of these low level street types that was involved? Maybe they are shaking the bushes to find someone specific? Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit for being organized but I suppose stranger things have happened in Mobile!

 

[AtticusFitz]

That’s exactly why I’m confused why the VI would suggest that’s DNV does hard drugs when there *really* has been zero evidence that she does anything besides smoke pot - and that was 5 years ago.

Exactly. How productive is it to even allude to hard drug usage? Not very. IMO that is precisely the point of bringing up hard drug usage or even hinting at it. If you believe the DNV mind map then how likely would she be to be doing hard drugs? Not very IMO. Would she buy drugs for TT? That is an interesting question in my mind. Maybe he had been shut off by his dealers and was still using so would need drugs. If what JDT says is true (and its a big if in my mind) and TT was living with DNV then maybe she was willing to help him out and get his drugs. We have been assuming the drugs were for her but what if they were for someone else?

 

[otto]

@otto. Can you see a scenario where this might work with the timetable we have? Car 1 dealer quick in and out, Car 2 & 3 DNV and DW. They look for the phone don't find it and then he heads back to Dublins. 20 min pass and he heads back to Dublins to get phone and she goes we do not know where (maybe she was going to meet DW back at his house)? Could he make it back to Dublin's in time to get the phone if he stayed at the Shell station with DNW? I know we debated the time to drive back to Dublin's the other night but I still wonder if this is doable.

I don't think it's possible for DW to leave the Shell station at 11:24 and make the call at 11:37 saying that he's at The Dublin and he has Danni's phone. I believe this original version of this phone call.

I know that has been modified and now he did not say he had the phone, and further modified such that he was lying and was not at the Dublin.

 

[3dzer0]

My understanding - and I did not see the CCTV footage; only a blurry still - is that there is a power/light/telephone pole next to the road, on the Shell side, and that's where the camera that the CCTV came from is.

This is the location of the camera ....

 

[AtticusFitz]

I could be very wrong, but if DNV was doing harder drugs, I seriously doubt there would be any chances of her getting custody back. Everything we have seen/heard from JDT is DNV was getting her life in order and she would soon be getting more custody. Our VI in a previous thread said JDT stated DNV only used pot. So I am not sure how we got back to harder drugs.

I just answered a similar question to this earlier in the thread but will put the idea here as well. We are assuming that any drugs were for DNV use. They might have been but they just as easily could have been for someone else too. I don't think hard drug use will get the goals on the DNV mind map met but she is out celebrating her car and had been pregnant and had the baby so maybe she did want to party at bit.

But I can also see a scenario where she is buying drugs for TT. He had been in jail and was out someplace else (we don't know where because we know its a total military secret...) but couldn't be seen to purchase drugs. If you believe JDT and TT and DNV were living together at her apt and were still 'best friends' then maybe she would buy drugs for him? Her buying drugs for him exposes her to huge risk of possible arrest and not getting custody anytime soon but maybe she did it anyway? Would an addict care about someone getting arrested buying drugs for them? Probably not. Who knows, maybe she was forced to do it? If TT was in her life and he was still an active addict and we know he is violent then so many scenarios become possible as to things she might have been doing the night she disappeared. My only point is that I don't think we should just assume the drugs were for her if she was in fact making a buy at the Shell station.

 

[3dzer0]

A portion of the Dog River.

[Redacted the additional specifics as they shouldn't have been given.]

I grew up on Dog River .... and know the area very well.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I don't think it's possible for DW to leave the Shell station at 11:24 and make the call at 11:37 saying that he's at The Dublin and he has Danni's phone. I believe this original version of this phone call.

I know that has been modified and now he did not say he had the phone, and further modified such that he was lying and was not at the Dublin.

Thanks...so you are sticking with the original version of the timing and events? DW goes back to Dublin and picks up phone and then heads to Ollies? DNV stays at Shell, Car 3 arrives and they both stay there for 20 min?

But after this new version I am calling the person with a very large messenger bag!

 

[Cmpeezy251]

Some of the commentary online about the latest roundup done by MPD have been both cynical and hilarious. Apparently there is a corridor where most of the people that were part of the round up live/work and it gets cleared out periodically by MPD. On a more serious note though I wonder if MPD searching out low level dealer types and street level crime types has any relevance to DNV case? If there was a drug connection wouldn't it be likely that it would be one of these low level street types that was involved? Maybe they are shaking the bushes to find someone specific? Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit for being organized but I suppose stranger things have happened in Mobile!

Yeah I think you’re right. They may be using the lower level people to try to get to the root of things... that’s why I keep thinking what if by chance someone might’ve targeted DNV... if they thought someone she knew ratted someone out. I just feel like she was targeted.

 

[Chelly]

Have we been taken down a merry path again?

Next we'll read that Danni is speaking to a psychic from a watery local. Oh WAIT! We have!

 

[CabinFever]

Did he think that he was the father while she was pregnant?

He would have had to sign the adoption forms, so it is very likely that he not only. knew but agreed to the adoption.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Yeah I think you’re right. They may be using the lower level people to try to get to the root of things... that’s why I keep thinking what if by chance someone might’ve targeted DNV... if they thought someone she knew ratted someone out. I just feel like she was targeted.

I agree about the targeted idea. But I can't help but think that if she were still connected at all to the drug world via TT that even if she weren't doing drugs herself that she could have been exposed to any issues that TT or Mobile 'family' might have been involved with IMO. From the beginning I've been trying to figure out how connected DNV is to the TT family members? With the JDT podcast where she seemed for lack of a better word 'clueless' about the ins and outs of DNVs schedule and life it got me wondering if DNV weren't distancing herself from Mobile 'family'. But what confused me was the statement about TT living with DNV as 'friends' in the podcast as this doesn't fit with the theory of her distancing herself from Mobile 'family'. My guess is that TT had no place else to go and live and so took the path of least resistance and crashed with DNV. Or, TT was living at the Veterans Homeless Shelter and not with DNV and the excuse was used by the Mobile 'family' to enter the apartment and remove most of the contents before the official put out date. We don't know the answers to any of this but if TT were still using and needed drugs and didn't have money then DNV might have just tried to help him as she seemed to be the only person that worked and had money.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Have we been taken down a merry path again?

Next we'll read that Danni is speaking to a psychic from a watery local. Oh WAIT! We have!

Yes, first mysterious phone calls, DW completely changing his story, cars splitting off and driving in different directions from the Shell station and psychic's that are having direct conversations with Danni who they believe to be deceased and in very deep water that won't do you tube update on the case due to the confidential nature of the involved conversations. Really?

Please lets refocus. Please.

We had a great transcription today of the Chief's press conference. Did anyone read it and what did people think?

 

[CabinFever]

@cedgison - did you ever ask your source or friend to confirm whether DV had any roommates at her apartment? TIA

 

[Cmpeezy251]

At this point with what very little we know, I don’t think a psychic’s vision is any less plausible than some scenarios or theories I’ve thrown out there.

 

[Alethea]

I bought up harder drugs because TT was arrested while living in a halfway house with electronic monitoring for heroin possession with intent to distribute. The publicly filed police report says they found drugs and a scale and that constituted violation of his probation.

There are so few facts to go on that anything that is an independent fact not colored with someone's opinions or views is interesting to me. I don't think DNV did hard drugs and I certainly wasn't bringing this up to send anyone down a road they think is unreasonable. It is a fact that someone in DNV's life did use hard drugs so she was likely around it.

For all we know she might have hated it and that may have been why she moved into her own apartment, distanced herself from TT (according to friends), and was trying to work hard to get custody of her daughter back.

 

[CabinFever]

FYI: Post #108 from @theides is a great resource with pictures of the Dog River (that is supposedly only a couple of feet deep and more like a creek). She says a submerged vehicle would be fairly obvious. Isn't that where @cedgison requested to be able to search?

Sorry, I don't know how to move a post from a closed thread!

 

[theides]

FYI: Post #108 from @theides is a great resource with pictures of the Dog River (that is supposedly only a couple of feet deep and more like a creek). She says a submerged vehicle would be fairly obvious. Isn't that where @cedgison requested to be able to search?

Sorry, I don't know how to move a post from a closed thread!

Just to add onto this: Yeah, there are a lot of portions of Dog River that run through the main city (like between Airport and Government) that are much more creek-like and much less river like. You wouldn't cross over it and think that you're crossing a river. There might be spots in there that just look deceptively shallow, though - I've never jumped in or took a measuring stick out there. It doesn't really turn into a river as you'd typically think of a river until further south.