AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[ChiCubs2016]

With the adjusted time- there is time for him to still be Car 3.

Why ask for someone to offer a different way to view something if you're just going to tell them they're wrong anyway?

Even if he made the trip in 12 (the shortest time) minutes that would be 11:36 so that means he arrived and texted before getting the phone. I think he would have looked for the phone first. IMOO. I would have. He would not have known how long it would take to find the phone and that does not leave much time for him to realize DNV was not following him.

 

[Keyedin]

Sure, but it's been suggested that if he was speeding and didn't park his car, then maybe he could make the trip that fast. If he drove the speed limit and parked his car before contacting one of the friends at 11:37 (it has been said that he reported that he had the phone), he really didn't have enough time if he left the Shell station at 11:24.

He did contact a friend there was a redacted screenshot provided in the FB group that can't be shared here, but the message did not say he HAD the phone it said he was at Dublins "getting the phone". It could just be semantics, but either way stands- based on the Google maps with a departure time of 11:24 PM on a Tuesday- it is 100% possible to get from the Shell gas station to Dublins in by that time.

 

[Keyedin]

Even if he made the trip in 12 (the shortest time) minutes that would be 11:36 so that means he arrived and texted before getting the phone. I think he would have looked for the phone first. IMOO. I would have. He would not have known how long it would take to find the phone and that does not leave much time for him to realize DNV was not following him.

TBH- I've never been very clear on exactly what happened once he got to Dublins, whether he was searching for it or ran into a bartender who told him there was a phone at the bar.. @cedgison may know the answer to that.

 

[cody22]

He did contact a friend there was a redacted screenshot provided in the FB group that can't be shared here, but the message did not say he HAD the phone it said he was at Dublins "getting the phone". It could just be semantics, but either way stands- based on the Google maps with a departure time of 11:24 PM on a Tuesday- it is 100% possible to get from the Shell gas station to Dublins in by that time.

Is this the private JDT facebook site ?

 

[Keyedin]

Is this the private JDT facebook site ?

Yeah

 

[Keyedin]

Even if he made the trip in 12 (the shortest time) minutes that would be 11:36 so that means he arrived and texted before getting the phone. I think he would have looked for the phone first. IMOO. I would have. He would not have known how long it would take to find the phone and that does not leave much time for him to realize DNV was not following him.

And not necessarily. There are enough traffic lights that he should have been able to tell whether she was still behind him before pulling in. If someone's following me I typically glance back every now and again to make sure I'm not too far ahead or that they've gotten stuck at a light.

 

[AtticusFitz]

TBH- I've never been very clear on exactly what happened once he got to Dublins, whether he was searching for it or ran into a bartender who told him there was a phone at the bar.. @cedgison may know the answer to that.

There were various stories about how he got the phone. I think the final story was that a Dublins employee saw DW in the parking lot looking for phone and brought out DNV phone and gave it to him. There was another story where he looked outside for a bit and then went inside Dublins and an employee said the phone had been found and gave it to DW. Pick a story as I don't think anybody knows but DW and employee that had the phone at Dublins.

 

[otto]

With the adjusted time- there is time for him to still be Car 3.

Why ask for someone to offer a different way to view something if you're just going to tell them they're wrong anyway?

Let's suppose that DW is car 3. He disabled Danni's GPS, so he helped her disappear, and then she vanished voluntarily without a phone. Why wouldn't he tell the police that she chose to disappear?

 

[AtticusFitz]

And not necessarily. There are enough traffic lights that he should have been able to tell whether she was still behind him before pulling in. If someone's following me I typically glance back every now and again to make sure I'm not too far ahead or that they've gotten stuck at a light.

Yes, totally agree. This exact point was debated for a very long time on Thread 2. If this were rush hour it seems more credible to lose someone in traffic but there was probably next to no traffic at that hour. There were any number of holes in his overall story but the not checking back was the part of the whole story that made no sense. Why sit in the parking lot waiting for someone and not circle back instead of simply hanging out?

 

[Keyedin]

Let's suppose that DW is car 3. He disabled Danni's GPS, so he helped her disappear, and then she vanished voluntarily without a phone. Why wouldn't he tell the police that she chose to disappear?

To be Frank, we don't know what he told LE

 

[otto]

To be Frank, we don't know what he told LE

If she left voluntarily, she would not be a missing person. She would be an adult who has every right to not be found.

 

[Keyedin]

In his defense, taking any of the suggested routes means taking chances at hitting lights. Most of the time, at that time of night, if you get stopped at one you get stopped at all. He could have thought she was just still making her way there or maybe she was stopping somewhere along the way- gas station for gas, apartment to grab something, etc.

 

[Keyedin]

If she left voluntarily, she would not be a missing person. She would be an adult who has every right to not be found.

Him being car 3 doesn't suddenly change it to voluntary disappearance. She could have been intercepted at any point along the way.

 

[theides]

As far as traffic conditions go on Tuesday nights around that hour, there's usually a decent amount of cars on Government Blvd and Airport Blvd. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find a time when nobody's out on those streets. They're well traveled. I'm out and about at that hour most Tuesday nights, usually on my way home about midnight, and I can't think of a time except when hurricanes were coming that I've thought, "Wow, there's nobody out here!"

 

[theides]

In his defense, taking any of the suggested routes means taking chances at hitting lights. Most of the time, at that time of night, if you get stopped at one you get stopped at all. He could have thought she was just still making her way there or maybe she was stopping somewhere along the way- gas station for gas, apartment to grab something, etc.

If he got on Airport Blvd or crossed Airport Blvd at any point on his way back to Dublin, he had a good chance of running into some lights that are real doozies. Airport on the I-65 overpass, Airport/McGregor, Airport/University. All of those lights take a hot minute to get through if you get stopped at them and set you up for hitting the other lights as well.

 

[cedgison]

Search for the car.

Did LE ever conduct an official search of her apartment?

Yes.

 

[Vail]

I think she and DW were going together to pick up the phone, that's why he waited for 20 minutes at The Dublin, and then headed to Ollies to see if they'd crossed their wires about where they were meeting.

Except DW does not have enough time to get to Dublin's if he is Car 3 (this is something the PI or family should do by timing the drive via different routes or the route indicted by the camera footage that DW would have taken). He left at 11:07 to get to Dublin's before it closed, and Danni sat there for 20 minutes with another car before they both left and parted ways. In this scenario, it makes sense for her and Car3 to have split up, as Danni was on her way to Ollie's to meet up with everyone, since that was the plan according to the 3 friends. We all assume "they split up" to mean Car 3 went to Dublin's and Danni went a different direction but nothing has indicated the direction of travel for either of them. "A more populated area" could just mean the freeway.

 

[cedgison]

TBH- I've never been very clear on exactly what happened once he got to Dublins, whether he was searching for it or ran into a bartender who told him there was a phone at the bar.. @cedgison may know the answer to that.

I’m not 100% sure on this, either. I don’t know if he was walking around in the parking lot looking for it and the host/a server walked out to him with it or if he went inside and asked if someone had turned in a lost phone.

 

[otto]

Him being car 3 doesn't suddenly change it to voluntary disappearance. She could have been intercepted at any point along the way.

Why would Danni and DW drive to the Shell station and disable the GPS before collecting the phone, especially given that the Dublin closed at midnight? Why didn't they do that at The Dublin?

 

[Vail]

Yes, totally agree. This exact point was debated for a very long time on Thread 2.

To clarify, I am trying to get at WHY DW went to get her phone and ultimately had it. Them both going back to get it doesn't fit for a couple reasons, so I'm exploring why she couldn't do it herself.