AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

[CoolJ]

Well there is always the love interest angle. There Was Also An Upcoming Custody Hearing. Just throwing stuff out there.

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Very legitimate thing to "throw out there" IMO. Very legitimate.

 

[CoolJ]

By no means am I comfortable throwing suspects names out. I will not slander or draw suspicion unduly on any party.

I do think it's fair game to start from scratch and explore ALL potential motives. The custody hearing is well known.

Am I correct in stating that there was indeed a police report of a break-in just prior or after the murders? Wasn't this documented? Or was this debunked? As though someone was looking for something? Refresh my memory.

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But the break in was reported to have happened at Tracie's home if I recall correctly. And we first heard about this through HCR reports I think. Strange. This whole thing is just strange.

 

[easongt]

But the break in was reported to have happened at Tracie's home if I recall correctly. And we first heard about this through HCR reports I think. Strange. This whole thing is just strange.

They were close friends. And if there was something they were looking for in particular maybe in JB's vehicle and they did not find it, maybe they would have looked at Tracie's. That is if it is inaccurate report. I don't put much weight in to HCR, but I do recall seeing an actual copy of a police report

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[iron_angel]

By no means am I comfortable throwing suspects names out. I will not slander or draw suspicion unduly on any party.

I do think it's fair game to start from scratch and explore ALL potential motives. The custody hearing is well known.
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Something that should also be looked into and which still interested me but we don't know much about is the rumor that one of the girl has something important to tell to another girl at (the party). What was so important? Did the LE interview that girl? I can't remember if it was Tracie or J.B. but did she tell anyone else about this important message? Is this even true?

 

[easongt]

I really like the idea of searching for possible motives instead of suspects. Although I think one will lead to the other of course.

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[December]

By no means am I comfortable throwing suspects names out. I will not slander or draw suspicion unduly on any party.

I do think it's fair game to start from scratch and explore ALL potential motives. The custody hearing is well known.

Am I correct in stating that there was indeed a police report of a break-in just prior or after the murders? Wasn't this documented? Or was this debunked? As though someone was looking for something? Refresh my memory.

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I don't mean names. I mean is this a person they might be expected to run into based on the general area where they were?

I wonder if anyone pulled the records for that payphone to see if they called anyone else. They could have gone back later, after all.

 

[December]

When my friend was murdered, the thing her ex (the murderer) wanted after the fact were letters.

 

[TedMac]

I am basing everything on the t.v. show Haunting Evidence. If you are actually from Alabama and have more information about the case, then I take that into consideration. The only motive looks to be sexual which is why I assumed that. If it was found on her skin, I thought that at the very least whatever happened must have happened that day.

This brings up another question. Why if the victims were near water would the murderer not shoot them and dump their bodies there? Water would contaminate a lot of DNA evidence. It made me think it is because where the water is could be part of the actual residence.

I really do not know what to think about this case. Because of how "off" J.B. Beasley and Tracie Hawlett were with their directions that night, even I have to consider they might have gone to Ozark purposely and were not lost. But I do not think it was planned. It is so difficult to say because that was 1999 and this is 2016. Road signs and the way things look are probably different than they were that night.

One thing I have always wondered is whether or not either one of them would have called the people at the party to tell them that they were not coming that night? The reason I ask that question is that I could see the witness who gave them directions in this case giving directions for 231 instead of 431 and maybe they might have still intended on trying to find the party. So J.B. Beasley turns around to go back out of Ozark, but never makes it. I think J.B. Beasley would have been the one in charge of making decisions that night.

It was after all, her birthday.

BBM Haunting Evidence is entertainment television. It is not always based on fact. It, like most television programs is interested in ratings first and everything else 2nd. The Police Chief of the Investigating Agency (Ozark PD) said they were not raped. That is good enough for me. A lot of people think the DNA found on Beasley's skin and undergarments came from a consensual act of earlier that evening.

MOO, but I think the girls were put in the trunk of the car and their bodies moved to prevent the identity of the crime scene from being revealed. There is a good chance the crime scene could be tied to the killer in some manner such as he owned the land or was known to hang out there.

 

[TooCurious]

JB's sister confirmed there was a break in.

 

[December]

The main thing "Haunting Evidence" is good for is we get some direct quotes from family members and LE. So, we see Tracie's mother describing the call. The show could still be edited, but what is there is better than just seeing it written down.

edit: I thought it was said in the episode that there was no rape? Although, I recall they thought there was a violation of a more remote variety? But, they do not really know, IMO. And what they're not saying is police find weird stuff at crime scenes.

 

[CoolJ]

In the HE episode I recall the deputy chief asking one of the so-called psychics if the crime was about sex or was the motive sexual? Something like that. Either way, it led me to believe they didn't know if rape was a possibility or not. Or, they were trying to make it look like they didn't know the motive. That was my initial impression anyway.

 

[December]

Wow! I don't think this has been brought up! What if they did make it back to Dothan?Ozark is not that big, so even if they did go from one side of town to the other they would not have used that much gas.

I think it is worth considering. If they did, where might they have gone besides to Tracie's house? Or could they have even gone there and been confronted outside of it somewhere?

 

[TedMac]

In the HE episode I recall the deputy chief asking one of the so-called psychics if the crime was about sex or was the motive sexual? Something like that. Either way, it led me to believe they didn't know if rape was a possibility or not. Or, they were trying to make it look like they didn't know the motive. That was my initial impression anyway.

After learning there was semen found on Beasley's undergarments and skin, LE first thought the crime was sexual in nature. Chief Spivey even went as far to say as the killer may have a problem with sexual performance since the semen was found on her and not in her. The assistant prosecuting attorney said something to the effect that if the person responsible for the semen is located, then the the killer will be identified. It was later in the investigation that that they learned the semen may have come from a consensual act that occurred earlier in the evening.

I think the Deputy Chief may have been "playing along" with the HE psychics. Most everything displayed on these type of shows are rehearsed in advance.

 

[December]

Speaking of TV shows, "Elementary" season 4, episode 20 (Art Imitates Art) has a case where there is spit on the bra of a murder vvictim, so much spit that it soaked through to her skin.

SPOILERS
The spit on the bra gets the wrong person convicted. It turns out, the lab supervisor changed the results. Holmes gets the DNA retested throwing in some extra samples one of which is an animal. Another crime is committed (the one they're originally investigating) to cover up the original tampering. He figures it out when he realizes that the criminal went out of her way to be certain the same lab was used.

 

[December]

I decided to watch HE again and, within a few minutes, I see a police officer state one of the purses was in the front seat of the vehicle. And there's a photo.

But, Tracie would have been sitting in that seat. Granted, she could have been keeping it on her lap, but most would put them in the empty backseat.

Since someone else drove the car after J.B., it is kind of logical that person had the purse. Why? Not to steal her money, so... Why?

 

[December]

Another thing I had forgotten is they used a pay phone before the last pay phone. Is this the one at the gas station where they saw Bookie?

Interesting both phones were near railroad tracks.

 

[December]

Jacqui did an interview. It is freaking stunning. It starts off with things maybe you've heard. But as it goes on, she talks about more and more evidence and inconsistencies. Also, she talks about those directions from B/L.

Jacqui's Burgoon's interview about her murdered s…: [video=youtu;-VMtcZGreNk]http://youtu.be/-VMtcZGreNk[/video]

 

[December]

After rewatching HE, I don't think it is possible they were approached outside Tracie's house. The house isn't that far from the road, there are too many other houses nearby, etc.

 

[CoolJ]

After learning there was semen found on Beasley's undergarments and skin, LE first thought the crime was sexual in nature. Chief Spivey even went as far to say as the killer may have a problem with sexual performance since the semen was found on her and not in her. The assistant prosecuting attorney said something to the effect that if the person responsible for the semen is located, then the the killer will be identified. It was later in the investigation that that they learned the semen may have come from a consensual act that occurred earlier in the evening.

I think the Deputy Chief may have been "playing along" with the HE psychics. Most everything displayed on these type of shows are rehearsed in advance.

My thought when I saw it for the very first time before I even knew much about the case was that this deputy chief was putting on an act with that statement. Like he already knew what the motive was and he was playing dumb by asking that question.

TedMac, how do you know they later learned the semen may have come from a consensual act?

As for the HE show, I am a strong believer in what some may refer to as psychic abilities. Strong believer! But I get the feeling these guys and gals are frauds. I get the feeling they are putting on the show that LE wants them to put on. I don't think we know as much about how things went down as we thought we did.... I think a story was fed to us via media, this show and possibly online forums.

 

[December]

One thing in Jacqui's interview that I had heard before, but she is more specific is about valuables in their purses. Jacqui even says, "their diamond rings."

Now, why wouldn't they be wearing these rings? I theorize that the murderer approached them as though he was robbing them. This would allow a lot of control because he'd make it seem that if only they gave their valuables, then it'd be o.k.

Due to how dirty they were, something else took place at some point. Maybe they decided not to trust his word and they tried to run away? IDK...