AL - Kahleb Rowan Collins, 1, his dad & sis were killed in a car crash, he wasn't with them, Fayette County, 8 Dec 2024

[Izzylizzy]

There it is. Grandpa is the legal custodian. So he's as bad as the parents, not thinking it's a duty to protect and love children.

You know how we each tend to follow certain kinds of cases? I can't handle cases about children. I avoid them whenever possible. I started watching this case because I thought the baby might have been ejected from the truck. The only other child case I've followed is the DeOrr Kuntz Jr. case, when I thought he was lost on a camping trip. I hate that parents can do anything evil to their child. I don't understand it. It gives me nightmares.

If true then the issue is why did the g;father get custody of the children and if it was because they were abused then why in hell were the abusive parents permitted to be near the children and possibly being living with them and where was social service worker(s) and the case manager who oversaw the case?
The g'father could have gotten custody and the parents were permitted to visit the children when he was there but that still leaves the question where were the social workers checking on the children's safety and living conditions.

 

[tlcya]

https://www.cbs42.com/news/crime/pr...3xKIEYk3pOsaUI4bCk_aem_X4OUE4UGWXksP1j6YEmfug

charging docs are available at this MSM link. I saw them earlier on social media but wasn't sure if we had an approved link here yet. If you've seen them feel free to disregard. they don't offer much more detail than the articles posted today.

 

[tlcya]

If true then the issue is why did the g;father get custody of the children and if it was because they were abused then why in hell were the abusive parents permitted to be near the children and possibly being living with them and where was social service worker(s) and the case manager who oversaw the case?
The g'father could have gotten custody and the parents were permitted to visit the children when he was there but that still leaves the question where were the social workers checking on the children's safety and living conditions.

agree, if he was a court appointed legal custodian odds are he was to only allow parents supervised time with the kids. So why were they all cohabitating ala Billie Jo Howell, Lelanie and Quinton Simon? How is that supposed to work? It doesn't we saw that with little Quinton.

 

[MissMalowe]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed due to no link>

As far as I know, MSM nor LE have ever released info or confirmed the grandfather as having legal custody of one or both children, all we had was the news articles naming him as a guardian but not elaborating more.
EDITED TO ADD: I stand corrected....a couple posts above, someone shared an article finally listing him as the LEGAL custodian. (Thanks for sharing that link!)

However, it HAD been confirmed back on Dec. 20th that his attorney filed to have all DHR records dating back to January 2024

"Subpoenas filed in court ask for all DHR records pertaining to Steven Brad Collins, Wendy Pamela Bailey, Ryleigh and Kahleb Collins regarding possible abuse/neglect since January 2024."
ABC3340 Article

EDITED TO ADD YET AGAIN: Ooops I see this was already answered / linked as well. You guys are fast! I was searching forever for the article with the above quoted portion.

 

[Knox]

As far as I know, MSM nor LE have ever released info or confirmed the grandfather as having legal custody of one or both children, all we had was the news articles naming him as a guardian but not elaborating more.
EDITED TO ADD: I stand corrected....a couple posts above, someone shared an article finally listing him as the LEGAL custodian. (Thanks for sharing that link!)

However, it HAD been confirmed back on Dec. 20th that his attorney filed to have all DHR records dating back to January 2024

"Subpoenas filed in court ask for all DHR records pertaining to Steven Brad Collins, Wendy Pamela Bailey, Ryleigh and Kahleb Collins regarding possible abuse/neglect since January 2024."
ABC3340 Article

Ok NOW we can discuss this, thank you!

So we know DHR was involved, that has been out for a while. What’s his attorneys angle in asking for the DHR records? There can’t be anything good in them which will help their client. I guess it’s just procedural on their part.

What was happening in January 2024 that attracted DHRs attention? Was Ryleigh being abused at that time? Does Collins have other grown kids?

RyLeigh's DOB - 4/22/22
Kahleb's DOB - 4/?/23

 

[Knox]

Bumping the Facebook Pages for Timeline References

Pam - Pam Bailey
Pam - Pam Bailey
Steven - Steven Collins
Brad - Brad Collins
John - Log into Facebook

June 3, 2024 Photo



I think this is the last picture of the kids? At least that I've seen.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

M00, I do however take issue with her taking all the responsibility and now he's dead he's off the hook. How convenient for him.

It doesn't work that way, you can't just throw everything at the one person left standing and make it stick.

We do know she was not at the wheel. We also know that a very young child of hers is missing, and has been for a long while. We also know that her young daughter was unrestrained in a car that she was also in. There is accountability there, as an adult, and as the children's mother. Conveniently, she can now say what she likes about her deceased partner and no doubt her dad will get on board with any negative picture she may paint of him too. It probably works in her favour that he is no longer around, especially if she's going to go the battered wife, scared to leave route. (Which we do not know yet) MOO

 

[Warwick7]

It doesn't work that way, you can't just throw everything at the one person left standing and make it stick.

We do know she was not at the wheel. We also know that a very young child of hers is missing, and has been for a long while. We also know that her young daughter was unrestrained in a car that she was also in. There is accountability there, as an adult, and as the children's mother. Conveniently, she can now say what she likes about her deceased partner and no doubt her dad will get on board with any negative picture she may paint of him too. It probably works in her favour that he is no longer around, especially if she's going to go the battered wife, scared to leave route. (Which we do not know yet) MOO

As you keep reading the thread you will see I no longer feel that way.

 

[Knox]

As you keep reading the thread you will see I no longer feel that way.

I think we all wanted to give her the benefit of doubt initally.

 

[DS2021]

Even tho we've already know about this, the way this is written really shows how negligent she was

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IST DEGREE: ON OR ABOUT JULY 2024, WENDY PAMELA JEAN BAILEY COMMITTED THE CRIME OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FIRST DEGREE BY COMMITTING THE CRIME OF ASSAULT IST DEGREE 13A-6-20 OF THE CODE OF ALABAMA 1975, TO-WIT: UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES MAIFESTING EXTREME INDIFFERENCE TO THE VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE, SHE RECKLESSLY ENGAGED IN CONDUCT WHICH CREATED A GRAVE RISK OF DEATH TO KAHLEB ROWAN COLLINS TO WIT: AFTER BEING NOTIFIED BY STEVEN COLLINS VIA MESSAGE THAT HE WAS GOING TO KILL KAHLEB COLLINS FOLLOWED BY PHOTOGRAPHS OF KAHLEB COLLINS HANGING ALOFT WITH A ROPE WITH BLOOD PRESENT ON HIS BODY, AND A PHOTO OF KAHLEB COLLINS LYING SUPINE ON THE FLOOR WITH EXTREME BRUISING PRESENT ON HIS BODY FOLLOWED BY A MESSAGE FROM STEVEN COLLINS THAT STATED "HE WANT MOVE" "IM SO SORRY". STEVEN THEN SENT "HE MOVING". WENDY BAILEY ACKNOWLEDGED THE PHOTOGRAPH AND REPLIED "HE JUST LOOKS WORE OUT AND TIRED AND HURT HOPEFULLY THAT'S ALL".

WENDY BAILEY FAILED TO INVERVENE OR NOTIFY LAW ENFORCEMENT AFTER SHE WAS MADE AWARE OF THE EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES AND ASSAULT THAT HAD OCCURED TO KAHLEB COLLINS; AND THE VICTIM IS RELATED TO THE DEFENDANT, TO-WIT: THE DEFENDANTS CHILD, IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 13A-6-130 OF THE CODE OF ALABAMA 1975.

 

[MissMalowe]

Curious to hear everyone's opinions since I know this topic was briefly discussed a little bit previously but hasnt been talked about much since more info was released the last couple days.

Was Kahleb the target of physical abuse more frequently or severely or were both Ryleigh and Kahleb equally abused/mistreated?

 

[victatiana]

he was 1 year old. I just can't get past the whole hanging him from a rafter to beat him thing. How does one become so depraved as to do that to a BABY??

Makes me remember his post in November about Kahleb's organs growing but his body not. Not to be too graphic, but decomp makes a body swell

We now know that by the time he posted that K was dead and either disposed of in a garbage bag in the shed or already moved to a new location. Sick Sick Sick man.

oh my gosh. thats a really good (and incredibly distressing) point.. I have kept wondering what he meant by that post but now that we know the poor kid was deceased when it was made, maybe it was them covering their tracks. sent a picture of the child to a family member or posted something to social media while he was already deceased (trying to appear like he was still alive), someone commented on the swelling, and they had to play it off? idk. total hypothesis/IMO. but idk why else they would even feel the need to mention that, let alone publicly on social media, when it looks like every other time, they were just trying to pretend he didn't exist anymore..

 

[Missing Susan]

Curious to hear everyone's opinions since I know this topic was briefly discussed a little bit previously but hasnt been talked about much since more info was released the last couple days.

Was Kahleb the target of physical abuse more frequently or severely or were both Ryleigh and Kahleb equally abused/mistreated?

Would determination of paternity be pursued by investigators in cases like this? How likely is it that LE has dna from the boy even though he is long missing?

 

[vls12345]

In every photo, both Ryleigh's & Kahleb's faces look aged beyond their years, imo. Poor children with the horrors they had to endure in both life & death. After reading the texts, I have no words.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Was Kahleb the target of physical abuse more frequently or severely or were both Ryleigh and Kahleb equally abused/mistreated?

Snipped by me.
Ryleigh seemed to be the golden child, featuring across the social media pages of her parents. Kahleb appears forgotten and unmentioned, invisible even. Why? Could it be that Ryleigh was wanted, and Kahleb an inconvenient accident? He was born about a year after Ryleigh, so conceived about 3 months after her birth. Having 2 kids that young is a lot, especially for someone who's 21 or so. Could he be seen as ruining their "perfect" little family? Could it be that he may have been a "difficult" child? Colicky, hard to get to sleep, or just reacting to his life circumstances? Perhaps he just compounded the troubles within the family? (Money concerns, the usual struggles of raising a baby/babies, etc). For whatever reason, sometimes one child cops all or most of the abuse.

I would be keen to know more about the earlier years of Kahleb's dad. What do former partners say about him? Did he father any other kids? If so, was he in their lives? What picture do they paint of him? Or, does he have a criminal history and spent many years in jail?

Regardless, the end story is that 2 innocent children were brought into the world, appear to have had a horrible life, and died quite horrifically. There needs to be justice, and anyone in their lives who is deemed negligent needs to pay for their actions or mistakes.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Snipped by me.
Ryleigh seemed to be the golden child, featuring across the social media pages of her parents. Kahleb appears forgotten and unmentioned, invisible even. Why? Could it be that Ryleigh was wanted, and Kahleb an inconvenient accident? He was born about a year after Ryleigh, so conceived about 3 months after her birth. Having 2 kids that young is a lot, especially for someone who's 21 or so. Could he be seen as ruining their "perfect" little family? Could it be that he may have been a "difficult" child? Colicky, hard to get to sleep, or just reacting to his life circumstances? Perhaps he just compounded the troubles within the family? (Money concerns, the usual struggles of raising a baby/babies, etc). For whatever reason, sometimes one child cops all or most of the abuse.

I would be keen to know more about the earlier years of Kahleb's dad. What do former partners say about him? Did he father any other kids? If so, was he in their lives? What picture do they paint of him? Or, does he have a criminal history and spent many years in jail?

Regardless, the end story is that 2 innocent children were brought into the world, appear to have had a horrible life, and died quite horrifically. There needs to be justice, and anyone in their lives who is deemed negligent needs to pay for their actions or mistakes.

A person did respond in the replies previous to this happening on Facebook. She indicated they had children & grandchildren together. Stephen’s post indicates they had to leave Louisiana for peace of mind. Per posts had lived in AL about 2 years. Hope this OK to post. MO based on posting.
I’m still sorta confused re Grandfather official position/designation. One publication indicated because he was an adult in the house, he had responsibility to report the child missing,
Either way, this is going to be a rough story.

 

[Miss Poovy]

agree, if he was a court appointed legal custodian odds are he was to only allow parents supervised time with the kids. So why were they all cohabitating ala Billie Jo Howell, Lelanie and Quinton Simon? How is that supposed to work? It doesn't we saw that with little Quinton.

BBM
Now I'm confused, weren't there three adults in that household? I may have missed some info during this thread, but why did it fall solely on the mother and grandfather?

Horrifying details of Kahleb Collins’ alleged abuse revealed in court documents

The missing toddler's mother received photographs of him “hanging from a loft with a rope with blood" and replied: “He just looks wore out."

www.al.com

This article seems to state they lived with the grandfather once they left Louisiana. I’m not sure the grandfather was the guardian or an adult who should have reported any abuse of the child since the children lived in his house.

 

[truthfinder2019]

Look at his hand and foot…I feel so angry

Graphic Details: Court records reveal ‘torture’ missing Fayette Co. toddler endured, and mother’s ‘extreme indifference’ to his life​

Graphic Details: Court records reveal ‘torture’ missing Fayette Co. toddler endured, and mother’s ‘extreme indifference’ to his life

She is accused of causing her daughter’s death, failing to report abuse of her son, and showing “extreme indifference” to the value of her son’s life.

www.wbrc.com

 

[tlcya]

Horrifying details of Kahleb Collins’ alleged abuse revealed in court documents

The missing toddler's mother received photographs of him “hanging from a loft with a rope with blood" and replied: “He just looks wore out."

www.al.com

This article seems to state they lived with the grandfather once they left Louisiana. I’m not sure the grandfather was the guardian or an adult who should have reported any abuse of the child since the children lived in his house.

any adult in a household where abuse of children is happening can be charged with not reporting that abuse. My understanding is that grandpa was a Columbia Louisiana resident and moved to Alabama to live with Pam and her family. I could have that wrong I guess but his FB page, last updated publicly in 2020 indicates he resided in Columbia LA at that time, seems to support that.

ETA: Neighbors and family say John Bailey lived with the couple in their home near Winfield.
Court docs reveal graphic abuse details in missing 15-month-old Fayette toddler case

 

[tlcya]

the beginnings of a good timeline here:
Kahleb Collins: A timeline of what we’ve learned in the search for missing Fayette Co. 1-year-old

I think eventually the date of DHF becoming involved with the family should be added. Right now I don't think anyone knows that info