Found Deceased AL - Kahleb Rowan Collins, 1, his dad & sis were killed in a car crash, he wasn't with them, Fayette County, 8 Dec 2024

Yes, you're right.

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"At last, in 1986, Canadian geneticists Tibbles and Cohen demonstrated that Merrick {AKA the Elephant Man} was actually afflicted with Proteus syndrome [7]... Proteus syndrome is a very rare condition, with a prevalence lower than 1 in 1,000,000."
 
i dunno.... i just keep feeling that LE is being so harsh with these two... Certainly not blame free, but I sense this young woman was in such an abusive distressing living situation... And has now lost both her children
oh well... I do hope she does get well enough to handle what comes next for her.
If Steven was still alive their situation would be the same as it is today. The abuse poor Kaleb was subjected to wasn’t a one off. There is documented evidence of more than 2 times he was severely abused and his mother was notified and just shrugged. She was working for the county, not locked in that house subjected to Steven’s moods. A phone call was all it would have taken to save those babies.

I literally was ill after reading about their texts. She read them, saw pictures and apparently just continued about her day! How can anyone not respond to their infant, lying unable to move?
 
If Steven was still alive their situation would be the same as it is today. The abuse poor Kaleb was subjected to wasn’t a one off. There is documented evidence of more than 2 times he was severely abused and his mother was notified and just shrugged. She was working for the county, not locked in that house subjected to Steven’s moods. A phone call was all it would have taken to save those babies.

I literally was ill after reading about their texts. She read them, saw pictures and apparently just continued about her day! How can anyone not respond to their infant, lying unable to move?
Thank you for posting this. ^^^^^

She would've been outside of the house and away from Steven for part of the day.
No excuse for her not getting help for those babies.
Omo.
 
If Steven was still alive their situation would be the same as it is today. The abuse poor Kaleb was subjected to wasn’t a one off. There is documented evidence of more than 2 times he was severely abused and his mother was notified and just shrugged. She was working for the county, not locked in that house subjected to Steven’s moods. A phone call was all it would have taken to save those babies.

I literally was ill after reading about their texts. She read them, saw pictures and apparently just continued about her day! How can anyone not respond to their infant, lying unable to move?
Do you think Pam was at work when she received that message? Ii’ve been looking for a source to verify whether and if so where, she worked during this period. If it was for a City or County agency, I’m doubling down on my opinion of her level of responsibility.
 
i dunno.... i just keep feeling that LE is being so harsh with these two... Certainly not blame free, but I sense this young woman was in such an abusive distressing living situation... And has now lost both her children
oh well... I do hope she does get well enough to handle what comes next for her.
As someone who’s been in an abusive situation, I cannot agree with you. She was their mom and she had to put those little children first. For whatever reason she chose not to. She chose instead to go along with the heinous abuse of at least one of those babies and who was completely incapable of standing up for himself. So yes she has lost both children but that could have been avoided by her getting help. She didn’t so she is as complicit as him
 
If Steven was still alive their situation would be the same as it is today. The abuse poor Kaleb was subjected to wasn’t a one off. There is documented evidence of more than 2 times he was severely abused and his mother was notified and just shrugged. She was working for the county, not locked in that house subjected to Steven’s moods. A phone call was all it would have taken to save those babies.

I literally was ill after reading about their texts. She read them, saw pictures and apparently just continued about her day! How can anyone not respond to their infant, lying unable to move?
We don't know if LE has other texts/communications between the two and also with the grandfather.
We do know that prosecutors don't reveal all their evidence when someone is arrested.
 
We don't know if LE has other texts/communications between the two and also with the grandfather.
We do know that prosecutors don't reveal all their evidence when someone is arrested.
I have read that comment in more than one article that says there was more than 2 episodes of abuse to Kaleb where they go on to describe him tied and hanging with blood on his body, another where he is lying face up on the floor. So we know of at least 2 episodes. One time Steven said he (Kaleb) wasn’t moving, then later said he moved. Pam has said after he died, Kaleb was left in a bag, hanging in a shed off the main house before he was moved to an undisclosed location.

I don’t know how many times they have documented his abuse, I only mentioned what I read in MSM. MOO
 
Do you think Pam was at work when she received that message? Ii’ve been looking for a source to verify whether and if so where, she worked during this period. If it was for a City or County agency, I’m doubling down on my opinion of her level of responsibility.
I thought I saw a reply here in this thread that she was working for the county at that time. I only assume she was away from the house otherwise there would be no need to send her a text documenting his condition although I suppose she could’ve been in another room in the same house, as disconnected from her baby as she must’ve been to be so unaffected by his condition after he had been abused.
 
At the time Wendy Bailey supposedly worked at the town landfill.

@1:20

Knox:
I’m curious where she was when she received this message? Has anyone seen information that indicates she was working outside the home in this time period?

I’m thankful the two were stupid enough to exchange the messages, without them LE would have suspicions but not enough evidence to arrest.
 
I thought I saw a reply here in this thread that she was working for the county at that time. I only assume she was away from the house otherwise there would be no need to send her a text documenting his condition although I suppose she could’ve been in another room in the same house, as disconnected from her baby as she must’ve been to be so unaffected by his condition after he had been abused.
Looking forward to be able to discuss more about the work topic when we find a verifiable source. Thanks for replying back to me.
 
Knox:
I’m curious where she was when she received this message? Has anyone seen information that indicates she was working outside the home in this time period?

I’m thankful the two were stupid enough to exchange the messages, without them LE would have suspicions but not enough evidence to arrest.

Thank you @abyquinn for finding a MSM link. The reporter states @1:20 "the Walker County Landfill Director told me the Mother was employed by the Landfill and that Police were out there today looking for answers".

Ok, so if LE has already been out to the Walker County Landfill on December 18th, 2024. But was back seaching at the home again last week. The Landfill must have been eliminated as a place Kahleb would be found?

Walker County has both a Landfill & Transfer Station.
 
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At what point does it become unsafe for these women to take the children and leave the abuser and at what point does something happen to them mentally and they give up and stay?

I’m just posing the question. I know a strong woman would never stay and allow herself or her children to be abused. It just wouldn’t be an option.

In today’s society I don’t understand how it could be an option for any woman. There is too much help available.
Snipped by me.

I am a female for the record.

I'm not sure I agree with you that strong women would not allow this behaviour and leave right away. You'd think so, but it seems that they can also be manipulated by the "best" abusers. Whilst I have (fortunately) never been in a position of abuse of any kind in a relationship, I can see staying being a possibility for many women, or all kinds. Would I stay? I'd like to say &^%* NO! but I know pretty much everyone says that until they're in the situation themselves. These perpetrators, who tend to mostly be men, are usually very good at what they do. They appear charming, loving, guy-next-door types who do horrible things behind closed doors. The women love them, or at least the person they are when not abusive, and they justify staying in their heads. They tend to make excuses for them - they're tired, work is very stressful, the kids won't behave and he's promised it will never happen again. It often starts small. A raised voice here, an insult there, maybe a little push, perhaps a slap. They apologise, make up, life returns to the fairy tale it appeared before. Maybe it happens so infrequently that the good outweighs the bad to them. For whatever reason, women the world over stay. Not all, but some. (I'd love the know the stats on staying vs leaving) For many, they are very reliant on their abuser - they don't have a job, have no transport, maybe have health issues, live remotely etc. They can have self esteem issues perpetuated by the abuse, or have no friends or family (perpetrators of domestic violence often deprive their victim of contact with their loved ones) and see no way out. Often, the victims have been abused in one way or another all their lives, and it's all they know. They have children who need a roof over their heads and food in their bellies and the woman feels she can't provide those things if she leaves. Perhaps she lives in fear that he'd find her and kill her, along with her children. This seems to be a common threat to attempt to keep the woman from leaving. Maybe some have tried to leave but did not have the resources available to them that they'd hoped. Whilst there is a lot of help out there, I still don't think there's enough. It's wonderful to think that it would be as easy as presenting to a police station or charity organisation, saying you need a secure home, food & money, and being given everything you need to sustain a life for your family for the short to medium term until you get on your feet. However, I don't think it's that easy. Plus, it's an incredibly strong and brave move to make. Some people would rather stay with what they know, because the alternative is very scary and unsure.

Of course, all this is MOO. In a perfect world, every person who is a victim of abuse would permanently leave after the first instance, and have the resources available to them to have a safe roof over their heads and food to eat, along with help to get set up for the long term. In a perfectly perfect world, abuse would never happen.
 
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Victims of extreme abuse can and do have lives that don't involve perpetuating that pain on the next generation. I think that's important to remember, especially in cases like this where there's a bit of a narrative already that the father's parenting is somehow attributed to estrangement from his family. I would firmly disagree with that. Like all people, he had choices. And he chose violence, again and again, against an infant. A baby. His baby. And it wasn't a slap out of temper, he strung that baby up like something out of a torture dungeon and beat the hell out of him until he died. That isn't impulsive, that is deliberate and sadistic. And the mother, his partner, saw the images and had zero reaction. That was also a choice. Even if she never raised a hand to Kahleb herself, she killed him just as much as he did. She should go to prison for as long as possible, and never have access to children again.

MOO
 
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Snipped by me.

I am a female for the record.

I'm not sure I agree with you that strong women would not allow this behaviour and leave right away. You'd think so, but it seems that they can also be manipulated by the "best" abusers. Whilst I have (fortunately) never been in a position of abuse of any kind in a relationship, I can see staying being a possibility for many women, or all kinds. Would I stay? I'd like to say &^%* NO! but I know pretty much everyone says that until they're in the situation themselves. These perpetrators, who tend to mostly be men, are usually very good at what they do. They appear charming, loving, guy-next-door types who do horrible things behind closed doors. The women love them, or at least the person they are when not abusive, and they justify staying in their heads. They tend to make excuses for them - they're tired, work is very stressful, the kids won't behave and he's promised it will never happen again. It often starts small. A raised voice here, an insult there, maybe a little push, perhaps a slap. They apologise, make up, life returns to the fairy tale it appeared before. Maybe it happens so infrequently that the good outweighs the bad to them. For whatever reason, women the world over stay. Not all, but some. (I'd love the know the stats on staying vs leaving) For many, they are very reliant on their abuser - they don't have a job, have no transport, maybe have health issues, live remotely etc. They can have self esteem issues perpetuated by the abuse, or have no friends or family (perpetrators of domestic violence often deprive their victim of contact with their loved ones) and see no way out. Often, the victims have been abused in one way or another all their lives, and it's all they know. They have children who need a roof over their heads and food in their bellies and the woman feels she can't provide those things if she leaves. Perhaps she lives in fear that he'd find her and kill her, along with her children. This seems to be a common threat to attempt to keep the woman from leaving. Maybe some have tried to leave but did not have the resources available to them that they'd hoped. Whilst there is a lot of help out there, I still don't think there's enough. It's wonderful to think that it would be as easy as presenting to a police station or charity organisation, saying you need a secure home, food & money, and being given everything you need to sustain a life for your family for the short to medium term until you get on your feet. However, I don't think it's that easy. Plus, it's an incredibly strong and brave move to make. Some people would rather stay with what they know, because the alternative is very scary and unsure.

Of course, all this is MOO. In a perfect world, every person who is a victim of abuse would permanently leave after the first instance, and have the resources available to them to have a safe roof over their heads and food to eat, along with help to get set up for the long term. In a perfectly perfect world, abuse would never happen.
Don't forget that this is also a huge problem in the LGBTQ+ and poly community.

Women abusers are also more likely to target people who genuinely cannot leave them, like children or dependent adults.
 
Like all people, he had choices. And he chose violence, again and again, against an infant. A baby. His baby. And it wasn't a slap out of temper, he strung that baby up like something out of a torture dungeon and beat the hell out of him until he died. That isn't impulsive, that is deliberate and sadistic. And the mother, his partner, saw the images and had zero reaction. That was also a choice. Even if she never raised a hand to Kahleb herself, she killed him just as much as he did. She should go to prison for as long as possible, and never have access to children again.

MOO
Horrific. I can't imagine what kind of a person could do this.
 
In a perfect world, every person who is a victim of abuse would permanently leave after the first instance, and have the resources available to them to have a safe roof over their heads and food to eat, along with help to get set up for the long term. In a perfectly perfect world, abuse would never happen.
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There are instances like "the frog in the pot story" not sure if it applies here tho.
The term "boiling frog syndrome" is a caution against creeping normality. A metaphor used to describe the failure to act against a problematic situation which will increase in severity when you dont notice the impact of slow envorinmental changes. Also described as a shifting baseline by Daniel Pauly
I dont know anything about her, or if she fits the above, ( just another reason people stay) but when you read this from @iamshadow21 " And the mother, his partner, saw the images and had zero reaction" tough to have any empathy for her. She got in that car, the crash sounds intentional, makes me wonder if she knew what was about to happen?
 
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