Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[Lillymac]

The video could have been edited to proper normal speed. It’s in some kind of jumpy slow fast forward. Many people can be recognized by how they walk, their gait. Free video editing software could alter it. It’s not helpful watching what looks like a Charlie Chaplin movie or someone jogging, as others thought, instead of smooth normal speed video playback.

A search grid in a densely populated urban area? Rural or more less dense and sure, large party search grids I can see, but anywhere close to this crime and people are going to be falling over each other. I think they quickly realized it wasn’t a good idea and cancelled it. So yes, it was not well thought out and appears desperate to me.

At first I was impressed but not so much today. Heck, if a reporter hadn’t asked we wouldn’t know CC was in that video. His entire presentation of that video still leaves more questions. He wasn’t clear in telling us what he wanted and gave confusing answers when reporters asked for clarity. Not in a way that he was being guarded for good reason but more the inability to properly convey the issues.

I agree and I'm still confused about his calling the man in the rear in the video, the suspect and saying they know who he is. They want info on the first man. Who is the second man?

 

[Lillymac]

Paraphrasing / sorry don’t have exact quote handy:

The Chief said something along the lines of “we want to close the loop”.

What is a loop?

A loop is a circle. Or a ring. Or an oval.

•I understand he stated he wants to question that individual as he might have some information.

Some late night musings:

1 person is a dot.

2 people are a line, or “segment” (a word the Chief also used. Iirc the words were something along the lines of “we are appealing to a segment”).

3 people is a triangle, longer line, or perhaps loop.

Which brings the question-

IF POI #2 is the perp:

A) POI #1 is associated with him.

B) POI #1 is not associated with him.

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Additionally, the Chief has confirmed that this is KM seen in the video, which makes these persons possibly and likely the last persons with whom she was last seen.

So, for me it lies with that.

So the questions for me at this time are (again):

Is PS POI #2? Or is this a completely different person?

Just posted the same question.

 

[margarita25]

I agree and I'm still confused about his calling the man in the rear in the video, the suspect and saying they know who he is. They want info on the first man. Who is the second man?

Bingo.

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ETA:

Just posted the same question.

Jinx.

 

[Lillymac]

Bingo.

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ETA:


Jinx.

Jack Daniels please.

 

[SouthAussie]

Which brings the question-

IF POI #2 is the perp:

A) POI #1 is associated with him.

B) POI #1 is not associated with him.

Is PS POI #2? Or is this a completely different person?

<RSBM>

I think there is a good chance that POI #2 is PS. They held him for as long as they legally could, charged him with the child they found on his phone, charged him with the intent to distribute that they presumably have evidence of, then he made bail and is legally out (and being watched, I would think). imo

I think there is a good chance that POI #1 is relevant to the case. If not, POI #2 took KM with a potential witness walking pretty much right in front of him. One who could turn back at any moment and see what was going on.

 

[margarita25]

If it’s a single perp with a sexual motive, classic pedophile abduction, then we know the stats on that.

If there are others involved for the same purpose, the outcome could of course be the same; however in my opinion, more than one perp and especially the possibility of 3 stirs the water a bit. Meaning, a classic assault and murder is not necessarily the only potential scenario if more than one person is involved.

<RSBM>

I think there is a good chance that POI #2 is PS. They held him for as long as they legally could, charged him with the child they found on his phone, charged him with the intent to distribute that they presumably have evidence of, then he made bail and is legally out (and being watched, I would think). imo

I think there is a good chance that POI #1 is relevant to the case. If not, POI #2 took KM with a potential witness walking pretty much right in front of him. One who could turn back at any moment and see what was going on.

I totally agree, SouthAussie.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

One thing they want people to be aware of – there’s no such thing as a bad tip.

“It’s actually quite common. Often when we receive information about the whereabouts of a wanted fugitive we pass that along to the appropriate agency, they go out and in fact find the fugitive and during the course of the arrest, discover evidence of other crimes that this fugitive was engaged in," said Davis.

Crime Stoppers see 50 percent increase in calls after Birmingham kidnapping

 

[margarita25]

WVTM 13

Video shows little girl playing, being approached by man just before abduction

 

[margarita25]

Is the word “limp” come directly from the Chief himself? Sorry if I’ve missed this (and sorry if already discussed, trying to keep up here). Guess I’ll watch the PC again.

 

[Simply Southern]

I know what you mean,its mostly a younger thing but as you say some older men do it,my friend is 31 and I'm always telling him to pull his trousers up
Do PS trousers look low in this pic,or is it just because his arms are reaching up?,its hard to tell.

Thanks for the side by side!!!

Is the photo on the right side the first or second person in the video?

Thanks.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is the word “limp” come directly from the Chief himself? Sorry if I’ve missed this (and sorry if already discussed, trying to keep up here). Guess I’ll watch the PC again.

I don't think so. I think the limp has been noticed by media persons who probably are studying the video on better equipment than we are.

I have been trying to find out if PS walks with a limp, but have not been able to find that distinguishing feature anywhere as of yet.

A second man, who has a limp, walks up to the children moments later and the children leave with him, according to the video.
Alabama Amber Alert: Police release video from night Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney was abducted

The video shows two young children playing, one of them believed to be Kamille. One man walks by the children without stopping. A second man, who has a distinctive limp, comes along a short time later and the children leave with him.
Kamille McKinney abduction: Police release surveillance video from night of disappearance

 

[Kiranerys]

Thanks for the side by side!!!

Is the photo on the right side the first or second person in the video?

Thanks.

No worries,I got it from someone else,I wish I could have done it but I cant make out a single thing from the video on my phone!.
It's the second person,the confirmed suspect.

 

[Simply Southern]

No worries,I got it from someone else,I wish I could have done it but I cant make out a single thing from the video on my phone!.
It's the second person,the confirmed suspect.

MOO, I thought the second person was the suspect, this confirms my thoughts.

Thanks

 

[CSIDreamer]

@margarita25 I don't have time to run through all your polls, but I'm starting to think it's possible there is one person involved here. We have all visualized this going down in a certain way and I think yesterday's video was a bit of a surprise to more than just me. I'm on the fence, but leaning to the side of "1".

 

[CANADIANCRIMESLEUTH]

Is anyone else curious as to why both children weren’t taken? In the video it sure looks like both little tinies follow the 2nd man willingly.
*If* this is a case of trafficking... wouldn’t 2 children be like winning the lottery for a perpetrator?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Paraphrasing / sorry don’t have exact quote handy:

The Chief said something along the lines of “we want to close the loop”.

What is a loop?

A loop is a circle. Or a ring. Or an oval.

•I understand he stated he wants to question that individual as he might have some information.

Some late night musings:

1 person is a dot.

2 people are a line, or “segment” (a word the Chief also used. Iirc the words were something along the lines of “we are appealing to a segment”).

3 people is a triangle, longer line, or perhaps loop.

Which brings the question-

IF POI #2 is the perp:

A) POI #1 is associated with him.

B) POI #1 is not associated with him.

—-

Additionally, the Chief has confirmed that this is KM seen in the video, which makes these persons possibly and likely the last persons with whom she was last seen.

So, for me it lies with that.

So the questions for me at this time are (again):

Is PS POI #2? Or is this a completely different person?

"Through our investigation and through statements, we’ve pretty much been able to identify the children and the second gentleman,'' Smith said. “What we’re trying to do is close the loop on the third individual in the video who was the first one who walks by as the children are playing.” bbm

"We want to see if he has additional information or if he saw something that night that may be critical in this investigation,'' the chief said. “Just a few minutes later, we received a report of our missing 3-year-old child, better known as Cupcake.”
Kamille McKinney abduction: Police release surveillance video from night of disappearance

 

[n4k]

As someone who studies gaits professionally, I am intrigued with this focus on the limp in the video. I do not think the person has a limp. The gait I see is typical of those who wear their pants below their waist. The gait is necessary to keep pants up. That gait will not be significant in locating the poi, imo.

I have often wondered what the long term impact of this unnatural gait will have on hips and knees.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

As someone who studies gaits professionally, I am intrigued with this focus on the limp in the video. I do not think the person has a limp. The gait I see is typical of those who wear their pants below their waist. The gait is necessary to keep pants up. That gait will not be significant in locating the poi, imo.

I have often wondered what the long term impact of this unnatural gait will have on hips and knees.

Hi. Thoughts on body language for any of the players involved?

 

[This guy you know]

As someone who studies gaits professionally, I am intrigued with this focus on the limp in the video. I do not think the person has a limp. The gait I see is typical of those who wear their pants below their waist. The gait is necessary to keep pants up. That gait will not be significant in locating the poi, imo.

I have often wondered what the long term impact of this unnatural gait will have on hips and knees.

Same conclusion on my end.
PS appears to wear fitted hip huggers in the convenience store pictures. They wear them low which requires one to walk like you’ve crapped your pants.
POI in the video appears to wearing similar.

LE has not said the CS images of PS were collected from the following Sunday morning or if they made the bolo after connecting initial description of the vehicle and CS images from previous days.

Either way the cctv footage shows someone in the 5’8”-10” range as the little ones in side by side comparison reach POI crotch area- which is lower do to the sagging pants.
Moo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Same conclusion on my end.
PS appears to wear fitted hip huggers in the convenience store pictures. They wear them low which requires one to walk like you’ve crapped your pants.
POI in the video appears to wearing similar.

LE has not said the CS images of PS were collected from the following Sunday morning or if they made the bolo after connecting initial description of the vehicle and CS images from previous days.

Either way the cctv footage shows someone in the 5’8”-10” range as the little ones in side by side comparison reach POI crotch area- which is lower do to the sagging pants.
Moo

Agree. Welcome to WS.