Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[Fire Fox 2]

Yes, I don't think the camera is the one from the green house. It's right in front of the house, so I don't see how it would capture the carpark or driveway. I think the camera is further away as well, across from the Daycare. Imo

I think it is on the corner of the daycare. Channel 5 means there are at least 4 more cameras (or were) my daughter works in a daycare and said their main monitor has 10 channels with 10 thumbnails of the 10 camera views. You can click on one and make it big. They record on DVR, and watch all angles of the inside and outside, especially where they play. JMO tho. Which also makes me wonder if someone working at/for the daycare could be involved or maybe saw something before that in hindsight made them call LE? Just a guess. ORRR someone could have been staking out the daycare. I think Man 1 was the spotter for man 2...

 

[SouthAussie]

Lol, I just edited my post to say the same thing!

The Shell Station has always been just a guess. All we know is that is was "nearby" Tom Brown Village.MOO

Hahaha ... well all I can say is that I really get that I am a kazillion miles away from this crime scene, and all I have is Google, MSM and you lovely peeps to help with my thoughts.

So when I see something on Google, I usually ask.

 

[LadyL]

Posting this here for the sleuthers...someone else made this connection- design on shirt same as the one POI was wearing. That is the video of the original suspect at the gas station, and the second is the video of where the man is walking by where the girls are at playing and she walks off with him. What is circled is the design on his shirt is the exact same in both pictures.

I don't see anything but a white blur

 

[MsBetsy]

I think it is on the corner of the daycare. Channel 5 means there are at least 4 more cameras (or were) my daughter works in a daycare and said their main monitor has 10 channels with 10 thumbnails of the 10 camera views. You can click on one and make it big. They record on DVR, and watch all angles of the inside and outside, especially where they play. JMO tho. Which also makes me wonder if someone working at/for the daycare could be involved or maybe saw something before that in hindsight made them call LE? Just a guess. ORRR someone could have been staking out the daycare. I think Man 1 was the spotter for man 2...

Yeah, I considered that too. It may have been on the front angled toward the side and back of the building. Imo

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

was the photo of the POI at the shell station taken before or after KM went missing? I find it odd that that is the area searched. In the middle of town on a busy street. I would think large park or country side.

 

[T4Tide]

Welcome Aubie...

I guess I'll tolerate your orange and blue.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't see anything but a white blur

I think it's impossible to see those kinds of details because the quality is terrible. It looks like there could be snow on the ground to me.

 

[margarita25]

Hahaha ... well all I can say is that I really get that I am a kazillion miles away from this crime scene, and all I have is Google, MSM and you lovely peeps to help with my thoughts.

So when I see something on Google, I usually ask.

I meant to tell you last night when I bumped your beautiful positive post that how wonderful it is to see love from around the world for little CC.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

WSVN-TV

 

[n4k]

Posting this here for the sleuthers...someone else made this connection- design on shirt same as the one POI was wearing. That is the video of the original suspect at the gas station, and the second is the video of where the man is walking by where the girls are at playing and she walks off with him. What is circled is the design on his shirt is the exact same in both pictures.

That pic is off sm and is the one I alluded to earlier. Nowhere in the video is that white spot shown at a level that would be on a shirt. This is the type stuff that keeps SM taboo here. ;-)

 

[MsMarple]

it's not the only allowable source
LE statements and tweets are allowed
reporter tweets are allowed
suspects and victims social media pages are allowed (but not friends or family members of victim)
family 'missing' pages are allowed

Plus, in recent years other sites have been approved to quote. One example is heavy.com. A couple years back it was not allowed and now it is. Also, for celebrity and reality show characters we're allowed to quote gossip sites. So it's not like we are totally restricted and IMO based on numerous false reports from sm in the past I'm okay to keep the rumors off WS. We're not stopped from sleuthing and if anyone gets frustrated they are free to join sm groups where they might feel more comfortable.

For me personally I'm here specifically because I have more confidence in sources like LE and msm, especially when a false report is released. Msm is more likely to correct the error than sites where people find it difficult to retract their statements when they're wrong. I guess it's human nature. MOO.

And speaking of that, in a link posted upthread the reporter in the video calls the child with Cupcake in the CCTV clip a friend, not her cousin. It's early on, about the 00:13 mark. I don't know if it was her cousin or not, just clarifying what was said in that particular video.
Birmingham police release video from night Kamille McKinney was kidnapped

ETA: OTOH, I do agree that reporting has gone downhill and it is frustrating. But anonymous posters on sm aren't reliable either. There may be merit in allowing sm of parents of missing kids, and when a parent or caregiver is named a suspect we are allowed to go there. I just don't know if that outweighs the privacy they are entitled to when they aren't named a suspect. MOO.

ETA2: At the 00:58 mark the reporter says a family member stated the child was indeed Cupcake's cousin. Thanks, PommyMommy for pointing that out!

 

[n4k]

Welcome Aubie...

I guess I'll tolerate your orange and blue.

Welcome Aubie and WDE!! T4T, fellow RN here. You in Tusc.?

 

[Chingaling]

and most of the people commenting don't know them either
I don't know that and you don't either.All I know is people were saying these things before LE showed the video of 2 little 3 yr old girls out after dark alone.So they obviously know more than you or I.

[bbm]

they are and that's precisely why we should not sleuth them and post our findings hence their pages are not allowed to be linked

 

[n4k]

To be clear for reference the video that I’m seeing is from October 14th. It’s an interview with the Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather. Thanks for posting. That’s a great example of an “MSM SM” live update!

I thought it was live though and was yelling at the reporter bc he said PS was still detained lol.

Thanks margarita. FWIW, that video is definitely from today. Tua (also referenced in the video and link) JUST had surgery today. Nothing gets reported here without a reference to football. ;-)

 

[Aubie007]

was the photo of the POI at the shell station taken before or after KM went missing? I find it odd that that is the area searched. In the middle of town on a busy street. I would think large park or country side.

That is a very busy part of town. However, this suggests to me that PS is who LE is honing on. I can say that is the only logical route from Tom Brown Village to Center point. I know it seems random and it’s hard to explain, but I’m confident PS came that way. I grew up 5 min from center point. MOO. I’ve really enjoyed reading the board the past week, yall are awesome!

 

[MFH]

Ugh. The location of the search today being so close to PS apartment.... most likely tells me he is the POI that frequents that area. I do wonder if LE were trying to get him to go back to where cupcake might be and move her...
It gives a pretty clear indication of who is #1 suspect for BPD and that they don’t think he was a “red herring”

IMO

 

[margarita25]

New to the board. Looking at the map, north of springville rd near Huffman rd looks like it might be another apartment complex... possibly country park apartment homes. For those not from the area, this route is the most likely for PS to travel home from tom Brown village. That route is 59 to Roebuck parkway, passing Huffman high school and it’s a straight shot to center point. Possible he dropped her off somewhere on his way home, if it’s him. MOO

Respectfully snipped by me to stare at and absorb / BBM / condensed Moo

“Route most likely for PS to travel home from Tom Brown Village:

59 to Roebuck Parkway, passing Huffman High School

-straight shot to center point.

Possible he dropped her off somewhere on his way home MOO”

@SouthAussie do you please have your marker handy? Can someone please screenshot that and mark the route in red for reference? Tia. Thanks again @Aubie007

 

[PommyMommy]

Plus, in recent years other sites have been approved to quote. One example is heavy.com. A couple years back it was not allowed and now it is. Also, for celebrity and reality show characters we're allowed to quote gossip sites. So it's not like we are totally restricted and IMO based on numerous false reports from sm in the past I'm okay to keep the rumors off WS. We're not stopped from sleuthing and if anyone gets frustrated they are free to join sm groups where they might feel more comfortable.

For me personally I'm here specifically because I have more confidence in sources like LE and msm, especially when a false report is released. Msm is more likely to correct the error than sites where people find it difficult to retract their statements when they're wrong. I guess it's human nature. MOO.

And speaking of that, in a link posted upthread the reporter in the video calls the child with Cupcake in the CCTV clip a friend, not her cousin. It's early on, about the 00:13 mark. I don't know if it was her cousin or not, just clarifying what was said in that particular video.
Birmingham police release video from night Kamille McKinney was kidnapped

ETA: OTOH, I do agree that reporting has gone downhill and it is frustrating. But anonymous posters on sm aren't reliable either. There may be merit in allowing sm of parents of missing kids, and when a parent or caregiver is named a suspect we are allowed to go there. I just don't know if that outweighs the privacy they are entitled to when they aren't named a suspect. MOO.

Go to about the :58 mark or so. Stoney Sharp is the reporter on scene who talked to the family member who lives there and learned that the child was KM's cousin.

I didn't even notice whoever it was in the beginning said, "friend." Like we needed any more confusion! MOO

 

[n4k]

That is a very busy part of town. However, this suggests to me that PS is who LE is honing on. I can say that is the only logical route from Tom Brown Village to Center point. I know it seems random and it’s hard to explain, but I’m confident PS came that way. I grew up 5 min from center point. MOO. I’ve really enjoyed reading the board the past week, yall are awesome!

That is AUsome, not "awesome" :-D ! I agree with your theory.

 

[margarita25]

That is AUsome, not "awesome" :-D ! I agree with your theory.

Sweet.