Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #5

[Momof4RN]

She looks to be very large in this photo. Much larger than the first person in video. IMO.

Man detained in Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney abduction freed on bond | Sandra Rose

 

[margarita25]

FWIW, over 80% of CPS cases are neglect and not abuse, so it would be probable that this was the case here and her kids were being removed because of something related to neglect.

Thanks. I would want the SPECIFICS on the neglect IF it is neglect.

Does it include, for example, starvation? Restraint?

If there is physical abuse, what kind? I want every unfortunate detail. I want to know what this woman is capable of, what does her prior behavior look like exactly, do these actions indicate any kind of possible MO as related to CC, etc etc.

 

[alyssa5597]

Thanks. I would want the SPECIFICS on the neglect IF it is neglect.

Does it include, for example, starvation? Restraint?

If there is physical abuse, what kind? I want every unfortunate detail. I want to know what this woman is capable of, what does her prior behavior look like exactly, do these actions indicate any kind of possible MO, etc etc.

I really hope we don't find this out for the sake of the children. They don't deserve to have their trauma and stories published online.

 

[Momof4RN]

I wondered the same,having now just watched on the big screen whereby I could actually make anything out,the first poi in the video looks shorter and stockier and could very possibly a larger woman, I think others have speculated the same thing in these threads too.

Do we have a still screen shot? I didn’t get that impression but could be wrong. I only remember a still of man #2.

 

[margarita25]

I really hope we don't find this out for the sake of the children. They don't deserve to have their trauma and stories published online.

We would redact the minors’ names to initials, that’s SP here, we aren’t going to post their names. The docs might even already be redacted, idk, but we sure as hell aren’t going to post their names here.

This woman very possibly has something to with CC’s disappearance. We need to know everything there is about her and her specific actions, ESPECIALLY things like this, imo.

 

[MsBetsy]

Does anyone know if this interview was before or after they arrested PS and DB in centrepoint? Thanks

I think it was on the first or second day, before the arrest. Imo

 

[alyssa5597]

We would redact the minors’ names to initials, that’s SP here, we aren’t going to post their names. LE might even have the names already redacted, idk, but we sure as hell aren’t going to post their names here.

The community still would know who her children are. The kids themselves would still know who the articles refer to 10 years later. Foster care cases are extremely confidential and sensitive within very good reason. It is way more than just redacting their names IMO. MOO but there's no reason the public needs to know what they went through.

 

[margarita25]

The community still would know who her children are. The kids themselves would still know who the articles refer to 10 years later. Foster care cases are extremely confidential and sensitive within very good reason. It is way more than just redacting their names IMO. MOO but there's no reason the public needs to know what they went through.

Well in that case let’s just delete every thread on this board that has now been redacted to initials.

I hear your point. I still think I disagree. We probably have thousands of documents here which have been redacted to initials and names blacked out completely to protect the minors’ names. I hear what you’re saying though. Will think about this more. I could be wrong.

 

[Momof4RN]

Or

C) She is scared to death of what will happen to her if she squeals

Well one thing is certain. She is much safer sitting in a jail cell. I’d be in no rush to be released if I was her. JMO

 

[dotr]

Oct 21 2019

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[MsBetsy]

Thanks. I would want the SPECIFICS on the neglect IF it is neglect.

Does it include, for example, starvation? Restraint?

If there is physical abuse, what kind? I want every unfortunate detail. I want to know what this woman is capable of, what does her prior behavior look like exactly, do these actions indicate any kind of possible MO as related to CC, etc etc.

It can be something like not having hot water in the home, or any condition that can effect the welfare of the child.
I don't think we know why the children were removed, but there are many possibilities. Maybe she did not have appropriate living conditions or was not able to take care of them.
All we know is that the children had just been placed in another home, as far as I know.
I doubt we will find out any more about it, especially if that woman turns out not to be involved. Imo

 

[distracted]

Anyone have a full photo of POI#2 still in custody? I get the impression she is on the larger side? Does her build match man #1 in video?

She does match the build. Let me find it.

 

[Hooman]

Oct 21 2019

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So the reporter is saying that PS was charged with child ? I didn’t think the charge specified the type of . Am I wrong?
MOO

 

[alyssa5597]

So the reporter is saying that PS was charged with child ? I didn’t think the charge specified the type of . Am I wrong?
MOO

Well, regular isn't a crime... but yes, LE has said child since when he was arrested.

 

[Aubie007]

Yep,colour me suspicious and maybe coincidence for him to be out looking in center point and then later on PS and DB are arrested there,but I am speculating that there was word on the street somewhere,or somewhere along the line someone,somewhere.somehow connected to Cupcake on either side possibly knows one of the arrested POI'S.
Also completely my own opinion and speculation,not stating as factual info at all and totally hypothetical on my part,but wouldnt it be strange if one of the poi's names appeared on someones social media friends list before any such account could be made private?.
MOO and theorizing only.

I’m with you on this. There are about 30-40 other “rough” areas he could’ve mentioned specifically. Instead he mentions the immediate area and a seemingly random city about a 15 min drive away. In fact, it’s the only city he names.

 

[MsBetsy]

She does match the build. Let me find it.

I don't think there is any way the first person who walks by could be the woman they arrested. There is about a one hundred pound difference. Imo

 

[dotr]

So the reporter is saying that PS was charged with child ? I didn’t think the charge specified the type of . Am I wrong?
MOO

The reporter clearly said child in that video, imo.

 

[MsBetsy]

So the reporter is saying that PS was charged with child ? I didn’t think the charge specified the type of . Am I wrong?
MOO

It was child , meaning pictures of a person under 18. Imo

 

[Hooman]

Well, regular isn't a crime... but yes, LE has said child since when he was arrested.

Ok...Now I’m wiping egg off my face lol, but I guess I meant we didn’t know the age of the subjects...whether they were very young or underage “teens.” In my muddled mind today I was thinking very young children! Thanks for the gentle correction! MOO

 

[Momof4RN]

Well, regular isn't a crime... but yes, LE has said child since when he was arrested.

Correct tho LE has never specified age or gender. Only that non of the photos were of cupcake. So at the moment I am Not jumping to conclusions. Moo