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I wonder how much he'll be laughing when the entire world learns about his boyfriend and their plans?

Shahan's whole demeanor in that video speaks volumes to me.
 
  • #423
I wonder if the defense has gotten all their discovery yet? That could significantly impact on someone's demeanor one way or another. jmo
 
  • #424
It amazes me in a bad way how a person can deceive so many people and still function. I feel for the church including RS's family. So many lives affected by one person's self centeredness.
 
  • #425
"In the end, God will be glorified." Well, that's a pretty bold statement. I can't imagine that God will be glorified through any of this evil crime.
To me this means if innocent God will be glorified when he is either not indicted or found not guilty. If guilty God will be glorified when he is indicted and found guilty. Either way God is always glorified in a correct verdict. Just my take on his statement.
 
  • #426
Thank you, CountryGirl and Flutterflies, for the updates! :tyou: :tyou:

So... RS and his lawyers waived this hearing... As the case would be going to the Grand Jury either way...

Do any of you great Sleuthers know the possible time frame when the Grand Jury will meet... And report their findings?

TIA...:seeya:

According to the news announcer, while Alabama grand jury schedules are confidential, a grand jury convenes monthly.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/24644322/shahan-murder-case-to-go-before-grand-jury
 
  • #427
Actually, they weren't alone -- you can see someone in a red jacket beside the seats @ approx 1 minute, then walks behind and sits down.

Karen Shahan is the victim in this case.

BBM ^ Right. They may have thought they were alone but they were not which is even more telling to me. imo
 
  • #428
I wonder if the defense has gotten all their discovery yet? That could significantly impact on someone's demeanor one way or another. jmo

BBM - According to the quote below they "got some discovery from the state Monday".

"Regardless of whether probable cause was found or if it was not found, the case would be presented to a grand jury. So we felt under the circumstances that there was no point for a preliminary hearing," Lentine said.

"We got some discovery from the state Monday, and our decision was not to have a preliminary hearing. The case was going to go to the grand jury no matter what we do," Lentine added.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/24644322/shahan-murder-case-to-go-before-grand-jury
 
  • #429
BBM - They have "some discovery" according to the quote below.

So it could appear that whatever the State has presented so far may not be a cause for his defense team to worry. I was shocked to hear on the video that there are over 300 cases for the GJ to considered over the next 13 months with the GJ only meeting once a month. That is a lot of cases. jmo
 
  • #430
Good time to re-post this information: ANATOMY OF AN ALABAMA PROSECUTION



Felony


At a felony arraignment in District Court, the defendant does not plead guilty or not guilty. He is advised of his right to a preliminary hearing within 14 days of the arraignment. The court reviews requests for court-appointed attorneys at the arraignment.

Felony Preliminary Hearing --- A contested hearing before a District Court Judge, sometimes called a "probable cause hearing". The Prosecutor presents witnesses to convince the Judge that there is probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendant committed the crime. Because the burden of proof is much less than at a trial, the Prosecutor generally does not call all potential witnesses to testify at the "prelim"; generally, the victim and some eye witnesses plus some of the police witnesses testify. The defendant (usually) has an attorney, can cross examine the witnesses, and can present his own evidence (including witnesses). If probable cause is proven, the defendant is "bound over" (i.e., sent to) Grand Jury. If probable cause is not proven, the felony charge can be dismissed or reduced to a misdemeanor for trial in District Court. A defendant can decide not to have a Preliminary Hearing. Most felonies arrive in Grand Jury after such a "waiver".

Grand Jury – In Alabama, all felony prosecutions must begin with an Indictment. A Grand Jury is selected the same way as a petit jury, in that potential jurors are summoned by the Secretary of State from a list of licensed drivers from Cullman County. Eighteen jurors are selected to serve from the list and are empanelled as the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury then hears testimony from the witness, normally the investigating officer, to determine if they find probable cause to issue an Indictment. Once an Indictment is issued and the defendant is arrested the case is set on a Circuit Court Docket.

Circuit Court Arraignment --- After the case is sent to Circuit Court, the defendant is again arraigned (given formal notice of the charges against him or her). The charging document is called an Indictment. He or she is again advised of his/her constitutional rights, and enters a plea to the charge (guilty, not guilty or stand mute).
 
  • #431
If probable cause is proven, the defendant is "bound over" (i.e., sent to) Grand Jury. If probable cause is not proven, the felony charge can be dismissed or reduced to a misdemeanor for trial in District Court. A defendant can decide not to have a Preliminary Hearing. Most felonies arrive in Grand Jury after such a "waiver".

This must be what RS's attorney was basing his statement on yesterday.
 
  • #432
It amazes me in a bad way how a person can deceive so many people and still function. I feel for the church including RS's family. So many lives affected by one person's self centeredness.




He was very slick....and IMHO he has no conscience. He's not a serial killer kind of psycopath....but he is one all the same. He's in the same class of psychopathology as someone like Scott Peterson.

IMHO.....IMHO.....IMHO.....IMHO.
 
  • #433
So it could appear that whatever the State has presented so far may not be a cause for his defense team to worry. I was shocked to hear on the video that there are over 300 cases for the GJ to considered over the next 13 months with the GJ only meeting once a month. That is a lot of cases. jmo


The defense probably waived the preliminary hearing simply as a strategy...not because they aren't worried. They have every reason to worry.

It also cuts down on the cost of defending a client without any money.
 
  • #434
Re the video:

It doesn't help us, but I partout don't know, what is it to laugh about at the trial for the murder of wife/mother by father (accused of husband's murder) and son?!
 
  • #435
Re the video:

It doesn't help us, but I partout don't know, what is it to laugh about at the trial for the murder of wife/mother by father (accused of husband's murder) and son?!

What do you mean by son? Laughing? That's his attorney.
 
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duplicate :(
 
  • #438
Re the video:

It doesn't help us, but I partout don't know, what is it to laugh about at the trial for the murder of wife/mother by father (accused of husband's murder) and son?!

It isn't his trial, FromGermany. They were in court to waive his right to a preliminary trial. No evidence was produced or spoken about. He was having a casual conversation with someone who attended court with him and could have been talking about something other than court. It isn't as if he were laughing while the prosecutor was presenting evidence. This is just my personal opinion.
 
  • #439
It isn't his trial, FromGermany. They were in court to waive his right to a preliminary trial. No evidence was produced or spoken about. He was having a casual conversation with someone who attended court with him and could have been talking about something other than court. It isn't as if he were laughing while the prosecutor was presenting evidence. This is just my personal opinion.

Thank you. "Trial" wasn't exactly the proper word.
 
  • #440
So it could appear that whatever the State has presented so far may not be a cause for his defense team to worry. I was shocked to hear on the video that there are over 300 cases for the GJ to considered over the next 13 months with the GJ only meeting once a month. That is a lot of cases. jmo

I kind of differ with your take on this LC. When I read that statement it sounded to me like they recieved discovery docs and realized a preliminary hearing would be of no help. Thus the statement about going to the grand jury regardless. In some cases charges can be dropped at a prelim I think, in this case after reviewing discovery they saw that was out of the question. JMO
 

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