Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #2

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HG’s statement ( or her lawyers) does not cut it for me.

if she has ‘no idea’ where the live bullet came from that just indicates pretty clearly that she didn’t in fact check the gun properly before handing it over? I mean that’s her actual job. Even if Sarah Zachary handled the guns too, it’s firmly on HG to check them and be accountable for them.

it’s strange that the rumours emerged very early on after this incident, that crew were using guns for plinking, why would that emerge if they’re not even true, seems like a giant coincidence.

I guess the lawyers just ‘deny’ everything at this stage as they know the prosecution have to prove everything if it goes to trial, so they’re not going to throw them a crumb.
They’ve just gone into damage limitation mode.
To say they will address the ‘other rumours’ in a week strikes me as a holding strategy, to see who says what in the coming days. They shouldn’t be addressing rumours anyway, surely, they should just be establishing the actual facts of what HG did.
 
HG is the one who loads and unloads the guns, since she is the armorer.
If guns were locked up when not in use, and crew wasn't allowed to use them for target shooting, then how did the live bullet get in there? Again, she was the one supposed to load and unload the guns for the scenes.
 
Something bothers me. Why did other experienced professionals turn down jobs on this production? Was this production company toxic for some reason? Were the principals (Baldwin) known to be a problem for members of the crafts group?

If the movie industry is sincere on the gun problem, They should only use guns with barrels welded shut and use CGI to insert flash bang effects.

There is plenty of blame to go around, But whoever brought live rounds to the set is on the hottest seat.
 
Some background on the IATSE strike discussions:
IATSE strike: What it means for TV, movies if Hollywood shuts down

I wonder if the Rust production fell under low-budget theatrical fare? Was it for Netflix?


Q: Which productions will suffer?
A: Movies, network TV shows and Netflix productions would halt as they fall under the now-expired contract. That means any television series or reality show currently in production might be delivering repeat episodes to fans later this year or early next year.

But a number of popular premium-cable productions – and so-called low-budget theatrical fare – wouldn't be stalled because that union contract is good until the end of 2022. Commercials also are safe. The theatrical alliance's agreement with the Association of Independent Commercial Producers runs through Sept. 30, 2022.

“If you are working on commercials or for HBO, Showtime, Starz, Cinemax, BET or another company that has a contract still in effect – you must keep working,” the theatrical alliance informed members working on productions for those companies. “You will not be a scab!”
 
HG is the one who loads and unloads the guns, since she is the armorer.
If guns were locked up when not in use, and crew wasn't allowed to use them for target shooting, then how did the live bullet get in there? Again, she was the one supposed to load and unload the guns for the scenes.
Right. So if she claims the guns were locked up, what about the ammo? Was it locked up, too? If all was locked up, how does it explain live ammo getting in with blanks and dummies?

And even if this is true, that the gun was always locked up, how did she not notice she was loading a live bullet?
 
Something bothers me. Why did other experienced professionals turn down jobs on this production? Was this production company toxic for some reason? Were the principals (Baldwin) known to be a problem for members of the crafts group?

If the movie industry is sincere on the gun problem, They should only use guns with barrels welded shut and use CGI to insert flash bang effects.

There is plenty of blame to go around, But whoever brought live rounds to the set is on the hottest seat.

Problem is, at this point, no one is fessing up to putting live bullets in that gun - The Armorer is saying she has no idea how live ammo got in the gun- there is the chance that we will never know who put live ammo in the gun-
 
Might the insurance companies for the movie production refuse coverage of the inevitable lawsuits - if criminal misconduct is charged?

Answering myself..

An insurer would likely cover any accidental events but the company might not pay for negligence claims on a movie set, according to Julie Shapiro, law professor and director of Loyola Law School’s Entertainment and Media Law Institute.

The insurance company will do its own investigation, Shapiro said, to determine if negligence occurred. The exact wording of the policy will determine what the company would pay.

While Baldwin, the other producers, the assistant director and the armorer might be named as parties in a civil lawsuit, not all may be found to be liable — particularly if they played no role in the safety aspects of the production or only held a vanity credit. The plaintiffs would likely go after the production company’s deeper pockets.

“How much? To what extent will insurance cover it? This is a loss of life _ there is no dollar amount you can place,” Shapiro said.


Legal, Insurance, Safety Issues Swirl Around 'Rust' Movie Set Shooting
 
Professional film crews take health and safety issues very seriously. The line of responsibility runs from the Producer to the Production Manager and 1st Assistant Director and finally on to all crew members who have a duty of care which is recognised by law. If someone can see the potential for an accident and does nothing to try to prevent it, they can be held responsible in some way, probably along with their senior colleagues.

Health and Safety | Moving Image Education
 
I wonder why Halyna Hutchins stayed on a set that was so dangerous? She had a child and husband in Los Angeles. Her husband graduated from Harvard and works for a law firm, so it doesn't seem to be financial stress.

Halyna Hutchins's widowed husband pictured collecting his wife's things | Daily Mail Online

About. — Halyna Hutchins
Please don’t blame the victim…I’m sure she didn’t think she would be shot to death while behind the camera. Before the shooting she was leading efforts to make things more safe on set, for EVERYONE including herself.
 
Problem is, at this point, no one is fessing up to putting live bullets in that gun - The Armorer is saying she has no idea how live ammo got in the gun- there is the chance that we will never know who put live ammo in the gun-
But it was her responsibility to check it, no matter who put the live ammo in the gun.
 
Please don’t blame the victim…I’m sure she didn’t think she would be shot to death while behind the camera. Before the shooting she was leading efforts to make things more safe on set, for EVERYONE including herself.

The intent was not to "victim blame". Simply wondering. Ms. Hutchins must have been very dedicated to her work. Which is why I included her website.

A dedicated professional.
 
While Baldwin, the other producers, the assistant director and the armorer might be named as parties in a civil lawsuit, not all may be found to be liable — particularly if they played no role in the safety aspects of the production or only held a vanity credit. The plaintiffs would likely go after the production company’s deeper pockets.

I am thinking that lawsuits looking for deep pockets might stop at Baldwin.

There does not seem to be a production company with associated assets in the common sense of the word. Rather, the business model seems to be that a coalition of investors reviews and then funds film proposals on an individual basis.

Though a board maybe responsible for making recommendations, hiring the director etc.. they would seem to be fairly removed from the accident- and may not have truly deep pockets as individuals.

If (or more likely, when) Baldwin is targeted, my guess is that he takes a hard line in private:

- Actors rely on armorers and other prop masters to make a huge variety of dangerous props safe. AB is not required to check weapons, cars, properly rigged safety nets etc.

- AB will offer a small, confidential settlement. But..... AB can- and will,fund an active defense pretty much indefinetely through a variety of appellate bodies.
 
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1873 Great Western II Revolvers - EMF Company, Inc.
This is a single-action revolver chambered for .45 Long Colt (not long bolt!) There are some peculiar things about single-action revolvers that I will comment upon under the question about how do you check to see the gun is not loaded. (If anyone gives a $#|*)
 
Replying to Datchery. I hope I have quoted the question <modsnip>

The weapon is a historic design -- not F Lee Pieta as stated, but F.LLI Pietta (not that it matters because the answer to your question is the same).

This is a single-action revolver. That means that it is not fired simply by pulling (squeezing) the triggere! The revolver must first be "cocked" by drawing the hammer back (usually with the thumb of the operating hand) to what is called a "full 🤬🤬🤬🤬" position. The reason that is important is that the hammer can be drawn back to a half-🤬🤬🤬🤬 position. It is in the half-🤬🤬🤬🤬 condition that the weapon is loaded or unloaded or inspected. See note about "going off half-cocked" below.

The round thing (which has been wrongly referred to here as a "drum") is called the "cylinder" and it is in the cylinder that the rounds/bullets are loaded. Unlike modern double-action revolvers, the cylinder does NOT swing out for loading/unloading/inspection. Rather, you can see on the side of the weapon (usually on the right side) just to the rear of the cylinder a "loading gate" which swings away from the frame and allows access to the rear of the cylinder --- ONE CHAMBER AT A TIME!! -- THIS IS IMPORTANT!)

In order to open the loading gate, the hammer must be in the half-🤬🤬🤬🤬 position. When the hammer is at half-🤬🤬🤬🤬, the trigger is blocked and the weapon cannot be discharged. While at half-🤬🤬🤬🤬 with the loading gate open, the cylinder may be rotated so that each chamber may be inspected, unloaded or loaded. On the same side as the loading gate, there is a rod attached to the frame just forward of the cylinder and the rod is held in position by a spring. The operator may slide the rod to the rear of the frame whereupon it will enter the front end of the cylinder and push through the cylinder thus removing any casing or bullet that is in that perticular chamber of the cylinder. The rod is then released so that the cylinder may be rotated to the next position and similarly cleared/unloaded.

Typically, these revolvers have six chambers (hence the term "six-shooter") but may have only five or, in the case of .22 cal. revolvers, may have as many as nine chambers. Revolvers chambered for .45 Long Colt will not have more than six chambers because the rounds/bullets are too large (almost half an inch in diameter).

Okay; so How do you check the weapon?

I am not familiar enough with the F.LLI Pietta design to know for certain, but I base my answer on the Ruger Single-six which you can examine safely at any gun store where the clerk will have an unloaded weapon in his showcase and will be happy to demonstrate all the above and below. Make him think you are interested in buying because he is not going to respond well to "Oh, I was thinking about the homicide on the movie set . . . . Do not ask to see a F.LLI Pietta because he is not going to have one and he will immediately know why you are there! Ask to see a Ruger Single-six in any caliber like .357 or .44. Don't ask for .45 Long Colt because he may not stock that one.

The most reasonable way to check a single-action revolver for safe condition is to unload it by going to half-🤬🤬🤬🤬, opening the loading gate, and using the clearing rod to unload each chamber. Then you can observe the rear of the cylinder as you rotate it (it will turn freely and may or may not have little "click" detents during rotation) and assure that all the chambers are empty. THEN you would load whatever you wish to put into each of the chambers -- or only one or two of them. When that is conccluded, you would close the loading gate and release the hammer -- or just leave it at half-🤬🤬🤬🤬.

To fire the weapon, draw the hammer back to the full-cocked position, aim and squeeze the trigger. After the weapon has discharged (or not if you had it set to an empty chamber), nothing will happen until you draw the hammer back to the full cocked position which will cause the cylinder to rotate one increment thus placing the next chamber in position.

To "Safe the weapon" point the barrel to a safe place (not the sky!) away from people and things, hold the hammer securely and squeeze the trigger and SLOWLY lower the hammer. Best place to leave the hammer is at half-🤬🤬🤬🤬.

GOING OFF HALF-COCKED

While you are looking at that Ruger Single-Six, ask the clerk about the "Transfer Bar." (The F.LLI Pietta almost surely did not have a transfer bar!)

A single-action revolver which is loaded and fully cocked might be dropped and the impact jolt could release the "sear" which holds the hammer in position. That would allow the hammer to swing forward and strike the bullet and discharge the weapon which could be aimed anywhere at that time. This is often seen in old Western movies and usually the bullet will hit a chandelier and the fixture will fall onto a table or onto a bad guy, etc. If you're old enough, you've seen such a movie. Always in black and white.

Such weapons COULD have the same thing happen if only half-cocked when dropped. That is always what we call "bad 🤬🤬🤬🤬."

The weapon is said to have "gone off half-cocked."

TRANSFER BAR (circa 1972?)

Rules made in the early seventies required that a half-cocked or fully cocked revolver could not discharge unless the operator was squeezing the trigger while the hammer fell onto the ammunition/bullet.

As the trigger is squeezed, a bar moves up into a position between the hammer and the firing pin. The hammer strikes the transfer bar which, in turn, strikes the firing pin. The hammer has a lug above the place where the transfer bar will be such that IF the transfer bar is not in position, the hammer will strike the frame of the revolver above (usually) the firing pin and the firing pin will not move --- thus the weapon will not discharge.

The Ruger Single-six you are looking at will have a transfer bar and you will be able to observe what happens if you .... Well, just get the clerk to show you. It would be very difficult for me to explain without a video or series of pictures.

ANYWAY -- IN CONCLUSION

A.B. <modsnip> I would not expect him to know how to properly inspect the single-action revolver. That is why the movie company has an armorer and why it is reasonable to say that A.B. should have been able to rely on the "unloaded" weapon assurance when the weapon was handed to him. Whether the A.D. should have been allowed to handle the weapon between the armorer's preparation is a question for someone else.

THE QUICK CHECK we are taught to use with double-action revolvers does NOT APPLY to single-action revolvers. I don't happen to like A.B., but he is being criticized for not checking the weapon and l submit that he could NOT have been expected to know how to do that. I would have been expected to know how to do it because I am a self-confessed "gun nut."

I hope that helps somebody.
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Who are the producers behind deadly ‘Rust’ film?

(...)

It’s not the first time questions about safety have been raised related to movies to which Cheney and Smith were attached.

In Georgia this year, first camera assistant Lisa Long raised safety concerns while filming the action thriller “One Way,” starring Machine Gun Kelly, Long said.

Long was bothered by what she saw as first assistant director Dave Halls’ disregard for safety protocols and reported his behavior to two producers and an IATSE Local 600 union representative, she said.

It’s not clear whether Cheney and Smith were made aware of the alleged safety issues at the time.

Halls was also a first assistant director on “Rust.”

Lots more at link
 
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