Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

[happyday]

Apparently there are some crew members who are sleeping there on the set every night. And we know there is alcohol. And there was a fanny pack with live ammo found on the set. And many rumours about the crew target practicing at night.

So I think it is possible that a few members were drinking and shooting at cans outside at night. When done they have to put everything back in place. It is sadly possible that a live round could have been overlooked when they put the weapons back.

I agree that if these rumors are true and this was happening at night, it’s very possible this is exactly what happened. How and why that bullet got into the prop gun and by whom is everything in this case IMO.

 

[MikeF]

She also said there was no live ammo on set.

I kind of view that something like a teen throws a party. His parents are adamant they will be 100% watching over the party. Next thing they know some kid is drunk off his and falls out a window. They SWEAR no alcohol was in their home and then surprise....couple of the kids snuck some in and took off to the backyard. Obviously the parents can be held, just like HGR, but maybe they both thought they absolutely knew no booze/no live ammo.

In either situation unless the kids arriving were frisked (and trust me as a teen that never would have stopped me from finding a solution lol) and the people entering the Rust set weren't frisked, or have to pass by metal detectors and dogs, so really other than HGR and the whole upper portion of people making the film, making it clear NO live ammo, how would she know?

 

[Luna20]

I kind of view that something like a teen throws a party. His parents are adamant they will be 100% watching over the party. Next thing they know some kid is drunk off his and falls out a window. They SWEAR no alcohol was in their home and then surprise....couple of the kids snuck some in and took off to the backyard. Obviously the parents can be held, just like HGR, but maybe they both thought they absolutely knew no booze/no live ammo.

In either situation unless the kids arriving were frisked (and trust me as a teen that never would have stopped me from finding a solution lol) and the people entering the Rust set weren't frisked, or have to pass by metal detectors and dogs, so really other than HGR and the whole upper portion of people making the film, making it clear NO live ammo, how would she know?

She would know by seeing the wrong bullets in the gun. Or do you mean seeing live ammo on the set in general?

If the police found the ammo in her car I guess she can say someone planted it. That’s a stretch but I expect it.

 

[mickey2942]

Good grief. These are stage/prop guns. They should be secured at all times. Not used for random target practice with real bullets.

If HGR was doing her job responsibly, she was doing inventory, maintaining checklists, and logs for checking the guns, and ammo. And providing comprehensive firearm safety instruction.

 

[MikeF]

She would know by seeing the wrong bullets in the gun. Or do you mean seeing live ammo on the set in general?

If the police found the ammo in her car I guess she can say someone planted it. That’s a stretch but I expect it.

I mean just in general on the set. Say like, she's keeping an eye on all the weapons and ammo as her job requires and John Doe shows up with some live ammo in his pockets. How would she know that?

 

[Lux et Veritas]

JMO, sabotage is very unlikely because there had already been some accidents on this set involving live rounds. It's one of the reasons the union workers left.

Whomever was responsible for the mistakes before the strike is probably the same person who was responsible for the fatal mistake after the striking workers left.

JMO

100% agree, Betty P. The departing 7 crew members had nothing to demonstrate or "prove" regarding an unsafe set, since multiple accidental firearm discharges had already occurred. More importantly, I simply cannot imagine any worker who walked off set in protest would ever want to even remotely endanger any of their colleagues, no matter how angry they were with the brass at the top.

 

[katydid23]

You do know what the "code" is for "safety meetings"? 420 time.

Exactly

 

[katydid23]

I mean just in general on the set. Say like, she's keeping an eye on all the weapons and ammo as her job requires and John Doe shows up with some live ammo in his pockets. How would she know that?

I agree. She may have been careful with all the ammo and weapons she was in control of. But if someone else brought in contraband ammo, and had it in a fanny pack somewhere, how would she know? I'm sure she doesn't look in the other crew member's bags or vehicles, etc.

 

[katydid23]

Rust prop person shot herself in foot with blank round in accidental discharge before Alec Baldwin | Daily Mail Online

This is interesting, from above link:

The reports of accidental firings tally with what the lawyers of Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, the armorer who oversaw the prop weapons used on the Rust movie set, had told Fox News.

New Mexico-based lawyers Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence wrote in a statement that 'safety is Hannah's number one priority.'

She also detailed how two accidental discharges had occurred on the set.

'The first one on this set was the prop master and the second one was a stunt man after Hannah informed him his gun was hot with blanks,' they said.



So HG's version ^^^is different from others I have read. Others have said the stuntman was told the gun was cold, and then it misfired.

But according to her lawyer, HG says she informed him it was a hot gun.

 

[katydid23]

Rust prop person shot herself in foot with blank round in accidental discharge before Alec Baldwin | Daily Mail Online

The gun that killed the cinematographer on the set of Alec Baldwin's Rust had been used for target practice by crew members, sources linked to the western film's production said.

Multiple sources connected to the set of Rust told TMZ that the same Colt pistol that went off in Alec Baldwin's hands, killing Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza, had been used recreationally by crew members.

The sources claim that some crew members would go off for target practice using real bullets, and some believe a live round from those practice sessions found its way onto the set.

Another source told TMZ that live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area on set, offering another possible explanation as to how a bullet was fired from Baldwin's Colt.

 

[MikeF]

I've not heard much real OMG stuff past the whole holy moley two people are shot. But I think it was yesterday or day before they released a 911 call from Naomi Mitchell, the script supervisor. She reports the shooting; seems calm, then it's like 1 to 50, she goes off about "that fn AD yelled at me at lunch asking about revisions! He's suppose to check the guns, he's responsible....

I'd put her in the upper area of my questioning. 1:15 on the link.

 

[GRT]

In fairness, the actor’s job is to be concerned with how he looks and plays the part, rather than the fitness of the props. Had he been a driver of a car and the brakes failed, he wouldn’t be expected to have inspected the car prior to driving. That’s why expert staff is on hand, and in the case of real firearms being used as props, the need for that staff to be present and engaged is crucial.

The Rust situation is complex, since AB had a dual role as lead actor and also being with one of the production companies. He was also not a newbie to movie sets, nor guns on sets. He was the star of this show. So we are looking at him with a more critical eye than we might the average actor.

jmo

I totally get where you're coming from but handling a gun comes with some responsibilities.

In gun-safety courses, we're taught that the buck stops with the person who shoots the gun. I get that AB might not have known much about guns, but he's handled them on sets before and he should have insisted on being trained.

To me, picking up a gun, pointing it, and shooting it without first checking to see it if was loaded is akin to getting behind the wheel of a car and putting it in drive without knowing how to drive.

At the end of the day, this has to come down on AB--at least to an extent. Not because he's an actor, just because he's an adult and knows that guns are dangerous.

 

[GRT]

'Rust' AD David Halls breaks silence on Alec Baldwin shooting

Still, an insider told The Post that two staffers on set told investigators they never saw Halls remove the gun from the armorer’s cart during an investigation into the incident.

The witnesses also denied that Halls had called the gun “cold” before giving it to Baldwin, according to the source.

People remember traumatic events differently. Now, it's up to the investigators to sort it all out--if they can.

I think just the fact live rounds were on the set is problematic and I'm leaning more toward someone intentionally sabotaging the gun.

JMOO

 

[Cool Cats]

I totally get where you're coming from but handling a gun comes with some responsibilities.

In gun-safety courses, we're taught that the buck stops with the person who shoots the gun. I get that AB might not have known much about guns, but he's handled them on sets before and he should have insisted on being trained.

To me, picking up a gun, pointing it, and shooting it without first checking to see it if was loaded is akin to getting behind the wheel of a car and putting it in drive without knowing how to drive.

At the end of the day, this has to come down on AB--at least to an extent. Not because he's an actor, just because he's an adult and knows that guns are dangerous.

I still can't get it out of my mind that he would have had the gun checked in front of him if the script had called for another actor to grab his gun from him then shoot him with it.

Hummm....

 

[Luna20]

I still can't get it out of my mind that he would have had the gun checked in front of him if the script had called for another actor to grab his gun from him then shoot him with it.

Hummm....

What do you mean about another actor to grab his gun?

 

[katydid23]

What do you mean about another actor to grab his gun?

I think they mean that if the script called for another actor to shoot a gun at him during the scene, AB would likely demand that the gun was inspected carefully to make sure it didnt have live rounds, before he'd let the other actor point the weapon at him and pull the trigger. Which is what is supposed to happen.

 

[Luna20]

Rust prop person shot herself in foot with blank round in accidental discharge before Alec Baldwin | Daily Mail Online

The gun that killed the cinematographer on the set of Alec Baldwin's Rust had been used for target practice by crew members, sources linked to the western film's production said.

Multiple sources connected to the set of Rust told TMZ that the same Colt pistol that went off in Alec Baldwin's hands, killing Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza, had been used recreationally by crew members.

The sources claim that some crew members would go off for target practice using real bullets, and some believe a live round from those practice sessions found its way onto the set.

Another source told TMZ that live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area on set, offering another possible explanation as to how a bullet was fired from Baldwin's Colt.

There are so many conflicting reports that short of depositions I dont know how close to the truth the investigators will be able to get.

What has been consistent so far is the lack of order overall.

 

[Luna20]

I think they mean that if the script called for another actor to shoot a gun at him during the scene, AB would likely demand that the gun was inspected carefully to make sure it didnt have live rounds, before he'd let the other actor point the weapon at him and pull the trigger. Which is what is supposed to happen.

To me that seems instinctive. I personally would check myself before pointing it anywhere.

 

[jjenny]

I agree. She may have been careful with all the ammo and weapons she was in control of. But if someone else brought in contraband ammo, and had it in a fanny pack somewhere, how would she know? I'm sure she doesn't look in the other crew member's bags or vehicles, etc.

She left the ammo out unsecured on a gun cart, as far as I can tell. In addition, live ammo was apparently found either on that cart or the prop track (since that's where police apparently say they found ammo containing dummies, blanks and live ammo), not in somebody's pockets.

 

[jjenny]

I think they mean that if the script called for another actor to shoot a gun at him during the scene, AB would likely demand that the gun was inspected carefully to make sure it didnt have live rounds, before he'd let the other actor point the weapon at him and pull the trigger. Which is what is supposed to happen.

That's a total speculation on your part. There were presumably people shooting at him in the script-it's a Western after all. You don't know that he demanded anything extra. I don't think it ever even occurred to him there could be live rounds (real bullets) in the gun. Since it doesn't normally happen on movie sets.