Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #4

[steeltowngirl]

I think he's only worried about going to jail. I don't think he cares that he killed Halyna at all. JMO

WOW. That’s a big statement.

 

[Kiranerys]

I think he's only worried about going to jail. I don't think he cares that he killed Halyna at all. JMO

I think he cares that she is dead, but he doesn't think he is to blame. I'm not comfortable with him saying he doesn't feel any guilt though, if it was me it wouldn't matter if I believed it wasn't my fault in that I believed the gun to be "cold" I would still feel the guilt because the gun was in my hand.

I do get the impression that he is not a man with a good grip on his emotions and his emotional stability is clearly lacking. He reminded me very much of my son,who is autistic, when faced with confronting his own actions that may caused great pain,especially if he didn't mean to and had no understanding of his actions,he can't cope because he can't process the emotion and instead the only thing he can do to make his own pain stop is to lash out and blame because he can't bear the thought that he caused someone else to hurt or be sad. He doesn't know how to express that he is sorry even though he absolutely feels that sorrow to his bones.
Obviously I'm not suggesting AB is autistic,I'm just saying that the emotional understanding may be similar. Then again,it may not and he might genuinely just be that guy!

 

[GatorFL]

Actors are not supposed to unload the guns and look at each bullet. That's why movie sets employ a special person for handling weapons-an armorer. Armorer is supposed to load the gun,and unload the gun. Not an actor. You absolutely will not see if the ammo is a dummy unless you unload a gun and expect each round.
But that's not an actor's job.

Your statement here is not accurate based on the industry standards previously posted. I think you meant "inspect" not "expect".

 

[GatorFL]

WOW. That’s a big statement.

He hasn't shown me anything other than self preservation since this incident. Not even the roadside interview where he claimed "she was my friend".

Again, JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Your statement here is not accurate based on the industry standards previously posted. I think you meant "inspect" not "expect".

No industry standards call for an actor to personally load and unload the guns.

 

[GatorFL]

No industry standards call for an actor to personally load and unload the guns.

But the standards all say that the actor should never point a gun at another person.

 

[Ruby12345]

But the standards all say that the actor should never point a gun at another person.

What about the little boy in the movie? The storyline was supposed to involve an 11 year old shooting someone. Is he supposed to know the difference between real and dummy bullets?

 

[DI_Isokawa]

This is a replica gun, not a vintage gun.

Also a quote from your same expert regarding checking the firearm before handling it:
"But Theige said just looking at the base of the bullet really isn’t enough.

"You would have to take it out to know,” he said. "You are not going to see what you need to see. The only way to find out is to take it, use your ejector rod, drop the round out and look at it."

No way Baldwin checked the gun and specifically the bullets inside it. Therefore he bears the ultimate blame in this tragedy.

Expert provides closer look at type of firearm used in 'Rust' shooting

If you look closely at that video it appears that the hammer of the weapon Theige is handling has a firing pin, and is not flat like we've been told it would be if it had the safety feature of a transfer plate. Evidently you can order the Piettas in either configuration. We don't know, and probably won't know until FBI report comes out, which version was supplied to the production.

Just another uncertainty to add to the list.

 

[jjenny]

What about the little boy in the movie? The storyline was supposed to involve an 11 year old shooting someone. Is he supposed to know the difference between real and dummy bullets?

Yes, there was a child actor involved. The movie, as far as I can tell, was about a child (the grandson's of Baldwin's character) accidentally shooting and killing someone and being sentenced to hanging for it. Some posters here would have us to believe that if was the child's scene with a gun, that child would have been responsible for the inspection of the gun and so on.

 

[doublestop]

I think he's only worried about going to jail. I don't think he cares that he killed Halyna at all. JMO

What is your basis for that statement? That he doesn't care?

 

[Arkay]

I still feel guilty about when I was 12 and stuck chewed gum in my friend’s hair and she had to cut all her hair off. I’m 64 now and ashamed of that, still.

Yes, I was being a mean girl and did it intentionally, and Alec did not intend to kill Halyna, but the outcome of this is so much more tragic.

He completely lost me when he said he feels no guilt. Whatever happened, misfire or misjudgment, he was the vehicle that caused Halyna to die in front of his eyes.

 

[PoppyBear]

What about the little boy in the movie? The storyline was supposed to involve an 11 year old shooting someone. Is he supposed to know the difference between real and dummy bullets?

AB is not an 11 year old boy. We don’t know the child’s acting experience or if a scene with him using a firearm was filmed. I wonder what industry standards are for children using firearms. I certainly hope an 11 year old would have basic gun safety explained to him. AB knows this. He admitted as such.

Is it possible for an 11 year old to be charged criminally if they point a gun, pull a trigger and a person ends up dead? Could others be held accountable as well?

AB is a grown adult. He doesn’t get to be looked at as an 11 year old. He shouldn’t be treated as an 11 year old. IMO

What is your basis for that statement? That he doesn't care?

The way I see it, AB cares more that her death resulted in him being looked at negatively. I believe he is more concerned with that than he is with her death. The interview felt scripted to me and the tears seemed to be an act as well. I don’t buy the tears for one second. He got caught doing something stupid and is now blaming everyone else and stated himself he doesn’t feel guilt.

AB is a well connected, wealthy public figure. The fact that his history of repeated reckless and violent behavior haven’t made people ‘cancel’ him already is telling IMO. He expects to walk away from this and still be in the same position he was. It’s not only his celebrity status. There are plenty of celebrities who wouldn’t be treated the same way. He is AB and for whatever reason, well connected and essentially one of the elite. MOO, IMO and all that.

 

[jjenny]

I still feel guilty about when I was 12 and stuck chewed gum in my friend’s hair and she had to cut all her hair off. I’m 64 now and ashamed of that, still.

Yes, I was being a mean girl and did it intentionally, and Alec did not intend to kill Halyna, but the outcome of this is so much more tragic.

He completely lost me when he said he feels no guilt. Whatever happened, misfire or misjudgment, he was the vehicle that caused Halyna to die in front of his eyes.

That appears to be his way of dealing with the situation. He was given the gun that he was told wasn't loaded with actual bullets. Nor would he reasonably expect it could have been loaded with actual bullets, considering this was a movie set.
So he doesn't feel responsible for what happened. And I don't think he is responsible. Movies employ someone whose job is it to check that the props (in this case a gun) are safe to use.

 

[Gardenista]

If you look closely at that video it appears that the hammer of the weapon Theige is handling has a firing pin, and is not flat like we've been told it would be if it had the safety feature of a transfer plate. Evidently you can order the Piettas in either configuration. We don't know, and probably won't know until FBI report comes out, which version was supplied to the production.

Just another uncertainty to add to the list.

Thank you for pointing out the firing pin. Here is a SS from the video with an arrow pointing to it.



Expert provides closer look at type of firearm used in 'Rust' shooting

 

[Gardenista]

Can someone please explain to me what a transfer plate is and what it does? I did see on the Pietta site that the guns are available with one, but when I google "transfer plate" pistol, I can't find any good information on them.

 

[Cool Cats]

5 biggest mysteries still surrounding the 'Rust' movie-set shooting involving Alec Baldwin

1. How did the gun go off if Alec Baldwin 'didn't pull the trigger'?

Lisa Torraco, assistant director Dave Halls' attorney, backed up Baldwin's claims this week, telling ABC that the actor's finger "was never in the trigger guard." But Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza told Fox News, "Guns don't just go off. So whatever needs to happen to manipulate the firearm, he did that and it was in his hands."

Guns can be unintentionally discharged because of mechanical malfunction or insufficient firearm training and handling.

2. Why were live rounds of ammunition on the 'Rust' set?

Prop master Sarah Zachry told investigators days earlier that "Rust" got its ammunition from multiple sources, including Kenney and set armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, who brought rounds from a production she worked on previously.

But Kenney told "Good Morning America" on Thursday that "it's not a possibility" the live ammunition came from PDQ or from him.

"When we send dummy rounds out, they get individually rattle tested before they get sent out," he said, with a rattling sound signifying dummy ammunition. "So if you have a box of 50, you've got to do it 50 times. And then you know they're safe to send."

3. How long was the gun that killed Halyna Hutchins left unattended?

Gutierrez-Reed's attorneys, Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence, initially said that the prop guns had been left unattended for about two hours. "Was there a duty to safeguard (the guns) 24/7?" Gorence said. "The answer is no, because there were no live rounds."

But after consulting Gutierrez-Reed, the lawyers later said they had been mistaken, and the guns were actually locked in a safe in a prop truck and left unattended for no more than five or 10 minutes.

4. Why wasn't the gun thoroughly inspected?

Baldwin was asked during his ABC interview why he didn't check the gun himself and said he was taught years ago that "if I took a gun, and I popped a clip out of a gun or I manipulated the chamber of a gun, they would take the gun away and redo it. … We don’t want the actor to be the last line of defense against a catastrophic breach of safety with the gun.

“When that person who was charged with that gun handed me that weapon, I trusted them.”

5. What will happen to Alec Baldwin?

Legal experts say it's unlikely the "30 Rock" actor will face criminal charges, unless evidence suggests the actor behaved irresponsibly with the gun, despite knowing the risks. In the investigation so far, there is no evidence to support that.

The actor said during his ABC interview that he doesn't expect to face charges: “I've been told by people who are in the know, in terms of even inside the state, that it's highly unlikely that I would be charged with anything criminally.”

He added: "Someone is responsible for what happened, and I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me."

 

[jjenny]

Video Santa Fe district attorney responds to exclusive Alec Baldwin interview - ABC News (go.com)

 

[Gardenista]

Video Santa Fe district attorney responds to exclusive Alec Baldwin interview - ABC News (go.com)

They said you can see more of her interview in a 20/20 episode on Friday. I wonder if that was last night or next Friday.

 

[Marysmith]

I still feel guilty about when I was 12 and stuck chewed gum in my friend’s hair and she had to cut all her hair off. I’m 64 now and ashamed of that, still.

Yes, I was being a mean girl and did it intentionally, and Alec did not intend to kill Halyna, but the outcome of this is so much more tragic.

He completely lost me when he said he feels no guilt. Whatever happened, misfire or misjudgment, he was the vehicle that caused Halyna to die in front of his eyes.

I feel like it’s a statement that was said and maybe he didn’t think properly before he said it and thought it sounded like he felt criminally responsible or something… and people will just grab onto that and say he’s therefore a horrific person. Just as an example I was a witness in a trial once and some of my answers could have been way better worded - that’s all I’ll say. When you’re under pressure and emotional it can be hard to convey everything really well.
Obviously we don’t know why he decided to do the interview and that was his choice but I 100% believe that he feels very remorseful about what happened.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Can someone please explain to me what a transfer plate is and what it does? I did see on the Pietta site that the guns are available with one, but when I google "transfer plate" pistol, I can't find any good information on them.

@Laughing indicated that transfer plates/transfer bars are features of Sturm, Ruger firearms which they own. Perhaps they will chime in with pictures and a description.

It is my understanding that a transfer bar is connected to the the hammer mechanism and only allows the firing pin to reach the round when the hammer is fully cocked, but that is second-hand knowledge.