Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #4

[DI_Isokawa]

Either way, if you want to be "cooperative" and you have nothing to hide, hand over your phone.

What is going to be very problematic for AB, is explaining what was deleted from the phone, and why....

I'm afraid I disagree. The purpose of requesting a search warrant is to confine what they may examine to material relevant to the case. If you just hand them your phone they can go on any kind of fishing expedition they want to. And they may not be your friend. LE is no more perfect than the rest of us, which is why the Bill of Rights exists.

 

[al66pine]

He appears to be a self-described "Celebrity Divorce Lawyer" and promotes himself heavily. FWIW.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your post re atty rep'ing AB.
Is this is the one you're referring to? Aaron S. Dyer of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman?* Or someone else?

From law firm website's info**, looks like he focuses on white collar crime, but I could be looking at wrong person & firm or could be missing something. my2ct.
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* "Alec Baldwin has engaged the services of former Assistant U.S. Attorney Aaron S. Dyer of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman for civil suits related to the “Rust” shooting,... The L.A.-based Dyer will represent Baldwin, Rust Movie Productions and other production companies involved in the film." sbm bbm
Alec Baldwin Hires L.A. Attorney for 'Rust' Civil Suits - Variety

** Aaron Dyer | Lawyer | Pillsbury

 

[al66pine]

He appears to be a self-described "Celebrity Divorce Lawyer" and promotes himself heavily. FWIW.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your post re atty rep'ing AB. Is this is the atty you're referring to? Aaron S. Dyer of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman?* Or someone else?

From law firm website's info** looks like his historical focus was on white collar crime, but I could be looking at wrong person or firm or could be missing something. my2ct.
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* "Alec Baldwin has engaged the services of former Assistant U.S. Attorney Aaron S. Dyer of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman for civil suits related to the “Rust” shooting,... The L.A.-based Dyer will represent Baldwin, Rust Movie Productions and other production companies involved in the film." sbm bbm
Alec Baldwin Hires L.A. Attorney for 'Rust' Civil Suits - Variety

** Aaron Dyer | Lawyer | Pillsbury

 

[DI_Isokawa]

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your post re atty rep'ing AB.
Is this is the one you're referring to? Aaron S. Dyer of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman?* Or someone else?

From law firm website's info**, looks like he focuses on white collar crime, but I could be looking at wrong person & firm or could be missing something. my2ct.
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* "Alec Baldwin has engaged the services of former Assistant U.S. Attorney Aaron S. Dyer of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman for civil suits related to the “Rust” shooting,... The L.A.-based Dyer will represent Baldwin, Rust Movie Productions and other production companies involved in the film." sbm bbm
Alec Baldwin Hires L.A. Attorney for 'Rust' Civil Suits - Variety

** Aaron Dyer | Lawyer | Pillsbury

No, sorry, I was referring to the "legal expert" quoted by Fox News, who said that asking for a search warrant meant you were not cooperating with LE.

 

[al66pine]

Atty. Dyer Represents AB in Civil Suits?

No, sorry, I was referring to the "legal expert" quoted by Fox News, who said that asking for a search warrant meant you were not cooperating with LE.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your clarification. Linked Dec. 18 article says "Baldwin's civil attorney, Aaron Dyer."*
Law firm website's info** shows he was former prosecutor in US Attorney's office in LA for several yrs. In private practice, has rep'ed ppl charged w white collar crime.

AB said it's (very/highly?) unlikely that he will be charged criminally.
Hmm, has Dyer defended anyone charged w using a firearm to shoot & kill someone?
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* * Alec Baldwin asking for search warrant before handing over phone is ‘not cooperation’: legal expert
** Aaron Dyer | Lawyer | Pillsbury

 

[steeltowngirl]

Legal expert’s bio:

Christopher C Melcher - Partner

Business owners, celebrities, and trust beneficiaries across California turn to me for assistance protecting their most valuable assets in high-stakes divorces. With deep experience in complex family law litigation and premarital agreements, I provide tactical representation in the most challenging family law disputes.

Celebrity Divorce Lawyer Christopher Melcher | Walzer Melcher LLP

 

[Luna20]

Father of Rust cinematographer says Alec Baldwin is 'partially responsible' for her death | Daily Mail Online

 

[al66pine]

Dyer, Rep'ing AB & Others. Conflict?
With AB and multiple production co's* named in civil suits, puzzling imo that Aaron Dyer/Pillsbury law** firm is representing them. In rep'ing these multiple tort defendants in litigation, a law firm may have a concurrent conflict of interest.*** Generally a conflict exists "if there is a substantial risk that the lawyer's representation of the client would be materially and adversely affected... by the lawyers' duties to another current client..."***

Aside from issue about who was responsible for the shooting itself - already plenty of blame-shifting stmts on that, I'd predict the various production co's/employees will point fingers at other co-defendants re other crucial issues. For instance, which one made decision:
--- to hire HGR* (w shallow CV) as armorer.
--- to hire HD* & **** (w blotches on his copybook, i.e., his prior AD job w negligent firearms discharges on set) as 't director.
--- to cap/set $ on firearm/ammo budget.
--- where to source firearms & ammo.
--- on which firearms to use.
---to schedule only XX days for on-location work, forcing crew to ignore safety meetings.
Etc, etc, etc. Yada, yada. Blah, blah, blah.

Some decision making responsibilities were in written agreements imo, but others, perhaps um, er, uh, not so well defined.

So: finger pointing among defendants.
And therein lies the rub for one law firm rep'ing multiple co-defendants in litigation. Conflict of interest imo. my2ct
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* I've forgotten names of movie production co's named as defendants in civil actions. Likely some listed here for Rust: "Production Companies
BondIt Media Capital (production loan); Buffalo 8 Productions (post production); Cavalry Media; El Dorado Pictures; Rust Movie Productions LLC; Short Porch Pictures; Thomasville Pictures"
Rust - Company credits - IMDb
**"The L.A.-based Dyer will represent Baldwin, Rust Movie Productions and other production companies involved in the film." Dec. 18.
** Lawyers
*** A Concise Restatement of the Law Governing Lawyers §121 (Am. Law Inst.2007) and
Conflict of interest - Wikipedia
****Assistant Director Who Gave Alec Baldwin Loaded Pistol Was Fired From 2019 Film Over Gun Incident

 

[al66pine]

Atty Patting Self on Back?

Legal expert’s bio:
Christopher C Melcher - Partner
Business owners, celebrities, and trust beneficiaries across California turn to me for assistance protecting their most valuable assets in high-stakes divorces. With deep experience in complex family law litigation and premarital agreements, I provide tactical representation in the most challenging family law disputes.
Celebrity Divorce Lawyer Christopher Melcher | Walzer Melcher LLP

@steeltowngirl As always, thanks for your posts w links.
Law firm website header: "Acclaimed California Celebrity and Professional Athlete Divorce Attorneys."
STG, we knew you would not fib, not to us.
* Celebrity and Pro Athlete Divorce | Walzer Melcher LLP

BTW, wonder what celebrity status qualifies? Only A-Listers? Or would firm accept a divorce retainer from self-proclaimed D-Lister Kathy Griffin?
And what about pro-athletes? Only major league? Does playing on AAA team count?

Seriously now, back to Halyna Hutchins. RIP

 

[steeltowngirl]

Dyer, Rep'ing AB & Others. Conflict?
With AB and multiple production co's* named in civil suits, puzzling imo that Aaron Dyer/Pillsbury law** firm is representing them. In rep'ing these multiple tort defendants in litigation, a law firm may have a concurrent conflict of interest.*** Generally a conflict exists "if there is a substantial risk that the lawyer's representation of the client would be materially and adversely affected... by the lawyers' duties to another current client..."***

Aside from issue about who was responsible for the shooting itself - already plenty of blame-shifting stmts on that, I'd predict the various production co's/employees will point fingers at other co-defendants re other crucial issues. For instance, which one made decision:
--- to hire HGR* (w shallow CV) as armorer.
--- to hire HD* & **** (w blotches on his copybook, i.e., his prior AD job w negligent firearms discharges on set) as 't director.
--- to cap/set $ on firearm/ammo budget.
--- where to source firearms & ammo.
--- on which firearms to use.
---to schedule only XX days for on-location work, forcing crew to ignore safety meetings.
Etc, etc, etc. Yada, yada. Blah, blah, blah.

Some decision making responsibilities were in written agreements imo, but others, perhaps um, er, uh, not so well defined.

So: finger pointing among defendants.
And therein lies the rub for one law firm rep'ing multiple co-defendants in litigation. Conflict of interest imo. my2ct
_____________________________
* I've forgotten names of movie production co's named as defendants in civil actions. Likely some listed here for Rust: "Production Companies
BondIt Media Capital (production loan); Buffalo 8 Productions (post production); Cavalry Media; El Dorado Pictures; Rust Movie Productions LLC; Short Porch Pictures; Thomasville Pictures"
Rust - Company credits - IMDb
**"The L.A.-based Dyer will represent Baldwin, Rust Movie Productions and other production companies involved in the film." Dec. 18.
** Lawyers
*** A Concise Restatement of the Law Governing Lawyers §121 (Am. Law Inst.2007) and
Conflict of interest - Wikipedia
****Assistant Director Who Gave Alec Baldwin Loaded Pistol Was Fired From 2019 Film Over Gun Incident

And what happens if the judge knows any of these parties? Will we see a petition for recusal, as we did in the Morphew case? Yikes. This could go on for years.

 

[10ofRods]

And what happens if the judge knows any of these parties? Will we see a petition for recusal, as we did in the Morphew case? Yikes. This could go on for years.

Most of the defense lawyers so far are from outside New Mexico. The LA-based branch of Alec's law firm probably knows a lot of judges - that's not an issue in California unless there is possible financial gain or prejudice (the judge's kid is married to the lawyer, for example).

It's going to go on for years, I expect. The whole part about "Alec the Actor" being possibly charged with something else than "Alec the Producer" is very interesting. The interrogs, depositions and other discovery processes, given how many people are involved, are definitely going to consume lots of time.

So far no cases in New Mexico; 2 suits filed in California.

MH's case will almost certainly be filed in California, but probably only after criminal charges are filed in NM.

I just don't see the coroner giving cause of death as "accident" at this point - but it sure could happen. If it does, everyone associated with Rust can heave a huge sigh of relief, but look to tremendous civil damages (IMO).

 

[katydid23]

Baldwin wasn't involved in hiring. As far as I can tell, armorer mentor knows HRG's father. HRG's father being an experienced armorer and knowing a lot people in the industry is presumably why HRG was hired.

I think AB was absolutely involved in hiring. From everything I have read, this was HIS personal project. He chose the script personally, and he was the one that put it all in motion because it was a project that he thought he would have a great acting role in, and have an Indie hit.

There is no way that he didn't have input in the hiring. That is what the producer's direct role is----to help recruit applicants for the crew and then choose the best ones. At the very least, he signed off on it, IMO.

 

[katydid23]

What do you think was the worst thing about him doing it?

One thing it does is it locks him into a defense he can't change. He said cocking the gun fired the gun but the FBI forensics of the gun might say that is impossible, that the trigger had to have been pulled.

Why even it though? He is locked into having actually cocked the gun.

A civil jury could think that it was possible that he did pull the trigger. They might not find credible the witness who says he only cocked it.

$$$$$

How do you the gun without having your fingers in and around the trigger?

 

[GatorFL]

How do you the gun without having your fingers in and around the trigger?

Simple, you keep your finger outside the trigger guard.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Simple, you keep your finger outside the trigger guard.

Yes. I just checked to see what I naturally do when I my gun. I found that I put my index finger straight out up against the barrel when I do so. I suppose I am afraid of pulling the trigger before I'm ready. So I do not have my finger anywhere near the trigger.

 

[Gardenista]

Alec and Hilaria Baldwin pulled over by Hampton cops

 

[Luna20]

Alec and Hilaria Baldwin pulled over by Hampton cops

I thought they served the warrant and seized a phone?

 

[GatorFL]

Alec and Hilaria Baldwin pulled over by Hampton cops

I sadly had a post about this deleted, reason given was "Sleuthing social media of family is off limits" I had commented that Hillary had to post about this incident.

Mods, FYI I was referring to the article. Websleuths has quote limits of how much we can quote a news article. But, here is what I was referring to, right from the article:

"In a video posted to Instagram Monday, Hilaria Baldwin denied that she was pulled over, saying she sought out the police’s help after she was being chased by a paparazzi. The mom, sporting a massive diamond ring in the video, told her followers that she and her family are the victims in this situation and she needs to clear the record to stand up for herself.

“THIS IS NOT TRUE AND A LIE,” she wrote in her caption. “The ny post will come after me more for speaking out, this might make it even worse, but, as I said before, I won’t be silent while you cause harm.”

“I deserve to be treated well, my husband deserves to be treated well,” she said in the video, adding the people reporting on her and her family are “enemies of the free press.”"

 

[DI_Isokawa]

A little background:

New York Post - Wikipedia

 

[mickey2942]

I think that AB wanting a specific gun could be problematic for him. There are facsimile prototype guns available for theatrical use, that look like "guns", but are not able to propel a bullet.

There could be a lot of questions regarding who made the decision for that particular gun, and why a decision was made to use a real gun, rather than a theatrical prototype.