Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[Deleted member 39678]

"One of the investigators in my office happens to have a very old type revolver, and so he brought it, at my request, so that we could look at it and see if that was at all possible," she told the outlet, adding that the room was cleared and two independent inspectors looked over the weapon — one who supplied the piece and another who verified it was empty.

"Then they visually showed me you can pull the hammer back without actually pulling the trigger and without actually locking it," Carmack-Altwies explained. "So you pull it back partway, it doesn’t lock, and then if you let it go, the firing pin can hit the primer of the bullet."

This quote from Santa Fe's DA is confusing to me. What kind of "old type" revolver did they use in the experiment? An actual vintage Colt? Maybe a Remington or Smith & Wesson?

Are they saying that the gun they used is defective so that means it's possible the gun that AB used could also be defective?

How far back did they pull the hammer? If only a tiny bit how would they know if there was enough force to detonate the primer since they ran this test with an unloaded gun?

If the gun used by them for this test was a Colt single action the hammer should "lock" at least at the half position in order to load it. Does this mean the gun couldn't be loaded in the normal manner?

Seems a bit strange to run an experiment using a gun other than the one used in the actual shooting and then make public this conclusion. I'm waiting for the actual forensic report on the gun AB used before agreeing that the gun fired without the trigger being in the rear position. JMO.

'Rust' investigation: Alec Baldwin possibly could have fired gun without pulling trigger, Santa Fe DA says

 

[DI_Isokawa]

I'm waiting for the actual forensic report on the gun AB used before agreeing that the gun fired without the trigger being in the rear position.

This should be at the top of each page

 

[mickey2942]

There is no statute of limitations on murder. That is something AB should remember every single day. Before he says a word about this, or writes anything, or posts...

Of course, that ship already sailed. I wonder if anyone has actually sat AB down, and made him listen?! Not a time to be surrounded by "Yes, AB, sir".

 

[GatorFL]

This quote from Santa Fe's DA is confusing to me. What kind of "old type" revolver did they use in the experiment? An actual vintage Colt? Maybe a Remington or Smith & Wesson?

Are they saying that the gun they used is defective so that means it's possible the gun that AB used could also be defective?

How far back did they pull the hammer? If only a tiny bit how would they know if there was enough force to detonate the primer since they ran this test with an unloaded gun?

If the gun used by them for this test was a Colt single action the hammer should "lock" at least at the half position in order to load it. Does this mean the gun couldn't be loaded in the normal manner?

Seems a bit strange to run an experiment using a gun other than the one used in the actual shooting and then make public this conclusion. I'm waiting for the actual forensic report on the gun AB used before agreeing that the gun fired without the trigger being in the rear position. JMO.

'Rust' investigation: Alec Baldwin possibly could have fired gun without pulling trigger, Santa Fe DA says

100% agree.

 

[clearskies1]

Very strange that the DA would talk about testing a random old gun that has no apparent connection to the gun that AB was using. JMO.

 

[GatorFL]

Very strange that the DA would talk about testing a random old gun that has no apparent connection to the gun that AB was using. JMO.

Certainly not very professional. Sounds like they're building a narrative to help him get off. JMO

 

[clearskies1]

Certainly not very professional. Sounds like they're building a narrative to help him get off. JMO

Absolutely. JMO.

 

[al66pine]

1) DA's “Unofficial Test?”* 2) Alec & the Truth?

1) Gun in "unofficial test" was not "the" gun AB fired,
not same model as gun AB used, afaik.*

Is the finding ---"possible for a live round to be discharged from "a" firearm without the trigger being pulled"* ---
---Wrong? No, not disagreeing w this finding about “a” firearm. Some ppl here already knew that ^ is possible w "a" firearm. No test needed for that.
---Relevant? No, not relevant because the “wrong” gun was tested: the gun AB handled on Rust, is the “correct” gun, the one to test.

Here's the relevant question for test w actual Rust gun imo: (for civil actions of wrongful death, personal injuries, etc. against several defendants & for possible crim chg against AB & possibly others):
Is it possible for a live round to be discharged from "the" Rust firearm AB used without trigger being pulled?

Now we wait for actual forensic report on the gun AB used, as @RANCH and @DI_Isokawa and @GatorFL posted.

2) Someone said test shows AB told the truth (sorry forgot who). Based on test of wrong gun, imo, disagreeing. AB may or may not have told the truth, imo.
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* "...Santa Fe’s district attorney,... told the publication that in her estimation following an "unofficial test" from her team, it is possible for a live round to be discharged from a firearm without the trigger being pulled.
"... a very old type revolver, and so he brought it, at my request, so that we could look at it and see if that was at all possible..."
^ From 'Rust' investigation: Alec Baldwin possibly could have fired gun without pulling trigger, Santa Fe DA says

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Certainly not very professional. Sounds like they're building a narrative to help him get off. JMO

No, I think they are just in over their heads. Most New Mexico crime, while brutal, is committed by stupid and/or drug-addled individuals and their associates like this genius:

Man 'mistakenly' gave 2017 video of murder to authorities

Now we have a complex, multifactor situation with no clear statutory violation or mens rea, one that would challenge the best analysts to figure out what happened, much less whether or not a single person bore all or the majority of the culpability.

There is a very good chance we will never know what actually led up to the discharge of the weapon, especially if it resulted from a malicious act or (IMHO more likely) a stupid prank gone wrong.

 

[10ofRods]

So Alec Baldwin could be right. That he pulled back the hammer and it caused the gun to fire, that he did not pull the trigger.

He might be found not as liable if the FBI can prove he didn't have to pull the trigger for it to go off.

If he had to actually pull the trigger for it to go off seems that would make him more liable. Although a jury might see pulling back the hammer just as negligent as pulling the trigger - for damages awards.

My bet is that the FBI will find that the gun was operating as it should. In order for the hammer to fire by being released, the trigger had to be already pulled and held in place.

Alec may not remember pulling and holding the trigger, but he often shows his index finger curled when he goes to imitated holding a gun. That would not have fired the gun, because the first chamber was empty - the hammer needed to be cocked and released (which is what happened, and so, a bullet fired).

The reason I don't buy that he performed this action several times is that each time he released the hammer, another round would have fired and no witnesses appear to be saying that happened (although I suppose if all the others were dummies...maybe).

The FBI presumably got the gun as it was, when it was left in the church (although we know that DH and HGR also handled it post-shooting).

I'm not optimistic that this will be declared a homicide by the Coroner. To me, it's negligent homicide/manslaughter, even if no one can figure out exactly who is responsible.

 

[Cool Cats]

Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed steps out in Arizona after she's named in suit over film - Usa Today Sun

February 23, 2022

"Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed was spotted outside a tattoo parlor in Bullhead City, Arizona on Monday amid mounting lawsuits.

Following the sighting, reports had circulated claiming Gutierrez Reed was the receptionist at the tattoo parlor, but Fox News Digital can confirm that is incorrect. Gutierrez Reed's lawyer had no further comment on the armorer's current employment status when reached by Fox News Digital.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

That would not have fired the gun, because the first chamber was empty

FWIW, HGR claimed that all six chambers were loaded. She claimed to have tried to load the sixth, failed because the chamber was dirty, and then cleaned the chamber and loaded it.

The live (lethal) round would had to have been positioned immediately before the bore. Pulling back on the hammer would then have rotated the cylinder 1/6 of a turn and placed the live round under the firing pin. The cylinder was allegedly manipulated prior to the discharge, and she unloaded the gun after the discharge, allegedly under Halls' orders. Also, I've seen no reports the weapon and rounds were taken into custody by anybody in the confusion following the shooting. So we don't even know for sure whether the loose rounds (one spent) turned over to LE were even the ones in the gun.

Yes, clearly negligent homicide or manslaughter. The lawyers will be arguing who had duty of care in a wholly unregulated environment. Good luck with that.

 

[PrairieWind]

FWIW, HGR claimed that all six chambers were loaded. She claimed to have tried to load the sixth, failed because the chamber was dirty, and then cleaned the chamber and loaded it.

The live (lethal) round would had to have been positioned immediately before the bore. Pulling back on the hammer would then have rotated the cylinder 1/6 of a turn and placed the live round under the firing pin. The cylinder was allegedly manipulated prior to the discharge, and she unloaded the gun after the discharge, allegedly under Halls' orders. Also, I've seen no reports the weapon and rounds were taken into custody by anybody in the confusion following the shooting. So we don't even know for sure whether the loose rounds (one spent) turned over to LE were even the ones in the gun.

Yes, clearly negligent homicide or manslaughter. The lawyers will be arguing who had duty of care in a wholly unregulated environment. Good luck with that.

That is what I recall as well. She loaded all 6 chambers. Normally that is not advised for safety reasons, but these were supposed to be dummies, so it shouldn't have been an issue. Its just like a snap cap. As you pointed out, without a very well established chain of custody, before and after the shooting, there will be wiggle room for criminal defense here.

 

[Gardenista]

Alec Baldwin Pissed Off Halyna Hutchins' Husband with ABC Interview

 

[Gardenista]

Husband of ‘Rust’ cinematographer killed on set was ‘so angry’ Alec Baldwin did not ‘accept responsibility’

 

[Arkay]

Husband of ‘Rust’ cinematographer killed on set was ‘so angry’ Alec Baldwin did not ‘accept responsibility’

I guess Alec's charm offensive didn't work. I'm thinking of the immediate aftermath, in which Alec was quoted by MSM as saying to the husband “I guess we are going to go through this together.” Also, the several times Alec said in interviews that Halyna “was my friend, she was my friend” and saying that he had just had dinner with her.

IMO working with someone whom you’ve known for nine days, as MSM reported, does not make you “friends.” Neither does one dinner between colleagues on a set. At best they were newly acquainted.

I don’t blame Mr. Hutchins at all. Alec trying to exonerate himself on TV, to get his story out front, would enrage me as well.

Imagine the reverse had happened. Matthew Hutchins is driving and he’s headed toward Hilaria Baldwin. His brakes fail, maybe, but he mows down and kills Hilaria. A complete and unintended accident, with perhaps a faulty car. I could never picture Alec Baldwin taking it well if then Matthew Hutchins went on TV to claim that he was friends with Hilaria, and that someone was at fault, but not him. The mechanic, he says, told him the brakes were functioning properly, but he still aimed his car at Hilaria.

Personally I blame Hannah and David first, before Alec. However, IMO Alec giving these interviews, trying to do his best acting to sound bewildered and sorrowful, then publicly reiterating constantly that his family is everything…that would make it so much worse if my loved one were the victim.

IMO there’s no going through this “together,” not when only one party has tragically lost a wife and mother.

 

[Gardenista]

I guess Alec's charm offensive didn't work. I'm thinking of the immediate aftermath, in which Alec was quoted by MSM as saying to the husband “I guess we are going to go through this together.” Also, the several times Alec said in interviews that Halyna “was my friend, she was my friend” and saying that he had just had dinner with her.

IMO working with someone whom you’ve known for nine days, as MSM reported, does not make you “friends.” Neither does one dinner between colleagues on a set. At best they were newly acquainted.

I don’t blame Mr. Hutchins at all. Alec trying to exonerate himself on TV, to get his story out front, would enrage me as well.

Imagine the reverse had happened. Matthew Hutchins is driving and he’s headed toward Hilaria Baldwin. His brakes fail, maybe, but he mows down and kills Hilaria. A complete and unintended accident, with perhaps a faulty car. I could never picture Alec Baldwin taking it well if then Matthew Hutchins went on TV to claim that he was friends with Hilaria, and that someone was at fault, but not him. The mechanic, he says, told him the brakes were functioning properly, but he still aimed his car at Hilaria.

Personally I blame Hannah and David first, before Alec. However, IMO Alec giving these interviews, trying to do his best acting to sound bewildered and sorrowful, then publicly reiterating constantly that his family is everything…that would make it so much worse if my loved one were the victim.

IMO there’s no going through this “together,” not when only one party has tragically lost a wife and mother.

I'm so glad he didn't fall for any of AB's BS.

 

[Luna20]

I'm so glad he didn't fall for any of AB's BS.

Me too but AB has been so obvious, recklessly so, that I can’t imagine anyone thinking he is credible. He hasn’t shut up, the interview, Instagram, roadside drama, etc. It hasn’t served him well. I’m surprised he isn’t intelligent enough to realize he was giving himself away. It conveys desperation.

Im happy with the particular words and moments that Matthew emphasized. His anger is more than justified.

 

[mickey2942]

I'm so glad he didn't fall for any of AB's BS.

I sympathized with Mr. Hutchins when he was interviewed by Hoda. Especially when he stated he felt "surreal", his wife was dead, and AB was hugging on him, acting like AB was the "victim".

How awful. And disrespectful of AB to just "glom" onto a family in grief. Intruding on a very private time. And making himself the "victim".

Alec Baldwin responsible for Halyna Hutchins' death, her husband says

 

[BeachSky]

Alec Baldwin buys massive $1.75M Vermont farm, leaves NYC months after fatal ‘Rust’ shooting

Farm?
I picture him like OJ…he will become bored
go out & pick a fight no matter where he resides.
They never go away.
Although… that cat of theirs tried really hard to run away.


MOO