Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[Luna20]

Sounds to me like AB is saying that since someone told him the gun was empty/safe that means he could handle the gun in an unsafe manner by pointing it at a person and pulling the trigger.

The fact that he didn't make sure the gun was empty himself is brushed off with a joke. He admits to pointing the gun at a living human being hoping that someone else didn't make a mistake.

These remarks don't help him at all in my opinion. JMO.

He is forgetting the things he has said in his previous rants. He went from not pulling the trigger (in the interview) to now saying the gun wasn’t safe. He has just about blamed everyone and he has taken zero responsibility.

 

[Cryptic]

He's done as an actor, IMO. And probably done as a director/producer. And I think he's soon going to be a lot less wealthy.

For better or for worse, I think he is going to be a tough nut to crack financially. The primary home in Manhattan is safe under New York law so long as his spouse is residing there.

My guess is that he will mount a token (by his financial standards) defense at the civil trial courts, then appear to be aghast when easily won mega million verdicts roll in (yawn).

AB will then mount a more serious defense (but by no means financially wrecking defense) at the appellate level. This drags on for years. Meanwhile AB offers relatively large, but no where near king sized confidential settlements. His spokesperson voices that AB is being driven to bankruptcy by mounting legal expenses.

But.... the real action could be in the realm of asset protection. Courts may award jury verdicts, appellate courts may, or may not uphold them- but no court actively assists in locating assets for seizure.

AB has the cash to hire legal talent to move his main holdings overseas to jurisdictions that value... uhmmm "privacy", yet also offer stability for peace of mind. Needless to say, these jurisdictions dont recognize US court rulings of any sort.

Or..... not wanting to put all his Fabrege eggs in an overseas basket, AB puts some of it here in the USA. An increasing number of states offer Domestic Asset Protection Trusts. Nevada and Wyoming trusts are said to be especially private and robust.

Sure, the trusts must comply with all Court orders- providing they meet all the requirements stipulated by Nevada etc. law. The requirements governing the trusts, however, are said to be engineered in such ways that it is very hard, or perhaps after a period of time, de facto impossible for any Court order to meet.

 

[GatorFL]

For better or for worse, I think he is going to be a tough nut to crack financially. The primary home in Manhattan is safe under New York law so long as his spouse is residing there.

My guess is that he will mount a token (by his financial standards) defense at the civil trial courts, then appear to be aghast when easily won mega million verdicts roll in (yawn).

AB will then mount a more serious defense (but by no means financially wrecking defense) at the appellate level. This drags on for years. Meanwhile AB offers relatively large, but no where near king sized confidential settlements. His spokesperson voices that AB is being driven to bankruptcy by mounting legal expenses.

But.... the real action could be in the realm of asset protection. Courts may award jury verdicts, appellate courts may, or may not uphold them- but no court actively assists in locating assets for seizure.

AB has the cash to hire legal talent to move his main holdings overseas to jurisdictions that value... uhmmm "privacy", yet also offer stability for peace of mind. Needless to say, these jurisdictions dont recognize US court rulings of any sort.

Or..... not wanting to put all his Fabrege eggs in an overseas basket, AB puts some of it here in the USA. An increasing number of states offer Domestic Asset Protection Trusts. Nevada and Wyoming trusts are said to be especially private and robust.

Sure, the trusts must comply with all Court orders- providing they meet all the requirements stipulated by Nevada etc. law. The requirements governing the trusts, however, are said to be engineered in such ways that it is very hard, or perhaps after a period of time, de facto impossible for any Court order to meet.

IANAL but hiding assets after a death won't be looked on favorably by the courts.

He probably has a nice umbrella policy that will pay the lion's share of a settlement.

 

[Cryptic]

IANAL but hiding assets after a death won't be looked on favorably by the courts.

He probably has a nice umbrella policy that will pay the lion's share of a settlement.

I agree about the possibility of an umbrella insurance policy. The relatively large settlement offers may come from an insurance company. But.... I doubt any insurance company would write policies covering multiple mega million dollar law suits regardless of the premiums.

As for the Courts liking moving assets after a death, my limited understanding is that it does not matter in the end.

Rather, every losing defendant rich, poor, death or no death, ordinary person or a celebrity will be required by the Court to list their assets at some point. Tax records cannot be used to verify the list (at least in the vast majority of cases).

The Court will then hand that list to the plaintiff- then quickly walk away from the matter. Out right refusal to provide a list could well risk being found in contempt of court type. But..... token compliance is no problem at all.

The Court will order assets forfeited- once the plaintiff finds them, presents them to the Court and proves they are not exempt. The Courts, however, are not debt collectors by historical jurisprudence and perhaps due to other uhmm....."practical" considerations against serving as debt collector involving angry defendants with nothing to lose.

My guess is that AB will gladly provide a list. First on the list are assets that he knows are exempt (homes in certain states, retirement accounts etc.) . The list could well include a variety of siezable low value assets by his standards. A handful of small bank accounts, cars, an undeveloped plot slated for the third vacation home etc.

But.... anything beyond that is going to get very problematic for the plaintiffs very fast.

 

[Gardenista]

Alec Baldwin hopes 'we will not be held criminally responsible' for 'Rust' shooting

 

[shotgun09]

Alec Baldwin hopes 'we will not be held criminally responsible' for 'Rust' shooting

Please note: There is no " I " in 'we'.
He still is refusing to admit his own culpability.
smh

 

[MajorHoople]

Alec Baldwin says he's hopeful he will not be held criminally responsible for Rust shooting | Daily Mail Online

"Alec Baldwin argued that there are only 'two victims' in the on-set shooting that killed Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and claims many of the individuals who have filed lawsuits against him are 'deep pockets litigants'.

"'From the beginning, from the moment this happened, everybody has put out — besides all the anguish and the suffering, horrible feelings we have and, of course, there are two victims and nobody else is a victim, so to speak — we have dealt with a situation where specific people are not as interested in finding out what really happened,' he told the festival audience, according to CNN video footage of his interview.

'What you have is a certain group of litigants on whatever side, who their attitude is, well, the people who likely seem negligent have enough money. And the people who have money are not negligent, but we're not gonna let that stop us from doing what we need to do in terms of litigation.'

Baldwin added: 'Why sue people if you're not going to get money? That's what you're doing.'"

"'I'm very hopeful when the facts come out. We will not be held criminally responsible but it has changed my life, and I don't mean this in the ordinary sense that I was involved in something or somebody passed,' he said, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

'I mean, I was involved in a situation with somebody was killed. It's changed my life just in terms of the function of weapons in films and television.'"

"Matthew Hutchins has also publicly shared his frustrations with the actor's refusal to take responsibility for his role in the shooting.

'He said essentially he felt grief but no guilt. Almost sounds like he was the victim,' Matthew said in a TODAY interview last month.

'The idea that the person holding the gun and causing it to discharge is not responsible is absurd to me.'"

 

[Gardenista]

This article has a photo that says it's the actual gun that Baldwin was using

The only talking we want to hear from shameless Alec Baldwin is in the courtroom

 

[Cryptic]

So now, he's a 'victim' of a lawsuit because he has money? LOL

Liability aside, AB could well have a relative point.

Lets say the person firing the fatal shot was not AB, but.... BA as in Broke Andy- the replacement for the disgruntled 'extra' who quit. I am guessing that Broke Andy aka BA would still be sued as the armorer is also being sued.

In the end, one can always find a Personal Injury attorney willing to take almost any suit if one looks hard enough. I dont know how much legal effort and talent would be available for suing BA though.

But.... since AB fired the shot, the amount of talent and effort supporting the suit probably goes up exponentially.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

This article has a photo that says it's the actual gun that Baldwin was using

The only talking we want to hear from shameless Alec Baldwin is in the courtroom

From the ever reliable NYPost If that is the weapon, it's a pretty tired-looking pistola. I can believe the reports that it has been kicking around since 1963.

In the off chance that there's someone watching who knows how to decode these things, the markings on barrel are attached.

 

[PrairieWind]

It has been 4 and a half months since the shooting. I wonder how the investigation is coming along.

 

[shotgun09]

This article has a photo that says it's the actual gun that Baldwin was using

The only talking we want to hear from shameless Alec Baldwin is in the courtroom

From the article:
BBM ( Because wow, those could have been my words!)

"In yet another self-protective performance on stage at the Boulder International Film Festival this weekend, he even had the incredible gall to attack those like Matt Hutchins who are seeking legal redress for what happened, suggesting they’re only suing people like him because he’s rich.

“What you have is a certain group of litigants on whatever side,” he said, “who their attitude is, ‘Well, the people who likely seem negligent have enough money. And the people who have money are not negligent, but we’re not gonna let that stop us from doing what we need to do in terms of litigation.’ Why sue people if you’re not going to get money? That’s what you’re doing.”

What a disgustingly insensitive, arrogant, dismissive, soulless way to behave towards a man whose wife is dead because of Baldwin’s actions.

This latest outburst will do nothing to calm Matt Hutchins’ fury that was ignited by watching Baldwin’s sniveling and cowardly lack of self-accountability on ABC. "

I know...it's from NYP, but still....

 

[Laughing]

re: protecting assets.

Do we think there are sizeable trusts for the 6 little kids? That would not be available for seizure.

Maybe AB & HB have solid financial advisors?

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[al66pine]

From the ever reliable NYPost If that is the weapon, it's a pretty tired-looking pistola. I can believe the reports that it has been kicking around since 1963....

@DI_Isokawa sbm bbm Always glad to to read your posts.

Not questioning your bbm ^ but am curious about source of info, if you do not mind sharing. If NYP link gave 1963 as year gun was manuf'ed, I missed it.

Iirc someone posted that Uberti
(History) manufactured some or all firearms used in Rust, or maybe just the gun AB shot.

Does NYP's pic of AB's gun (purported) appear to be a model Umberti makes?
Quality Replica Guns of the Old West | Uberti
Cartridge Revolver

Thx in adv.

 

[Gardenista]

@DI_Isokawa sbm bbm Always glad to to read your posts.

Not questioning your bbm ^ but am curious about source of info, if you do not mind sharing. If NYP link gave 1963 as year gun was manuf'ed, I missed it.

Iirc someone posted that Uberti
(History) manufactured some or all firearms used in Rust, or maybe just the gun AB shot.

Does NYP's pic of AB's gun (purported) appear to be a model Umberti makes?
Quality Replica Guns of the Old West | Uberti
Cartridge Revolver

Thx in adv.

Photo below is from the barrel of the gun in the link. Does it look like what @DI_Isokawa posted?

1873 Cattleman .22 Revolver

 

[Antimony]

What is posted is a .22lr revolver. Rust was using .45 long colt.
Any recently produced revolvers sold in the US would have the transfer bar lockout feature.
That would protect against most accidental discharges.
The transfer bar would have no effect on negligent discharges.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

If NYP link gave 1963 as year gun was manuf'ed, I missed it.

No, I got that from "somewhere" and don't have time to chase it down.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

What is posted is a .22lr revolver. Rust was using .45 long colt.
Any recently produced revolvers sold in the US would have the transfer bar lockout feature.
That would protect against most accidental discharges.
The transfer bar would have no effect on negligent discharges.

NYPost strikes again!

Edit: The NYPost article is by Piers Morgan -- if ever two people deserved each other ...

 

[Gardenista]

What is posted is a .22lr revolver. Rust was using .45 long colt.
Any recently produced revolvers sold in the US would have the transfer bar lockout feature.
That would protect against most accidental discharges.
The transfer bar would have no effect on negligent discharges.

Are you saying the gun in the NYP article is a .22?

 

[DI_Isokawa]

It has been 4 and a half months since the shooting. I wonder how the investigation is coming along.

Given the resource limitations of the Santa Fe Sheriff's office, the local rate of violent crime, and the low probability of a conviction, my guess is very slowly.