Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[DI_Isokawa]

Photo below is from the barrel of the gun in the link. Does it look like what @DI_Isokawa posted?

1873 Cattleman .22 Revolver

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I did a bunch of image enhancement to try and make the shape of the stampings more clear. Should have said so in the post, sorry.

 

[Luna20]

Alec Baldwin hopes 'we will not be held criminally responsible' for 'Rust' shooting

hahahaha! His hopeful persuasion (mind games).

 

[al66pine]

Pic of "The" Gun?

No, I got that from "somewhere" and don't have time to chase it down.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your response.

If this NYP pic is supposed to be "the" gun photographed by LE, some things puzzle me.
After AB was fired the gun, it passed thru a couple other ppl's hands before LE's arrival, iirc, so no way to take pix w gun still in situ, like at typical crime scene.

- The lighting looks like "natural light" mostly from left side & some overhead light casting shadow on everything except wood. No flash to show detail.
- No timestamp/datestamp, no marking #.
- No rulers or equiv. to show scale.
-The blue __ underneath the gun? Looks imo like a disposable item. Do crime scene techs use something like this? Something EMTs left at scene? Packing material for lining a box to ship? A moving blanket?

No idea whether gun in NYP pic is "the" gun but w ^ factors, I wonder whether this pic was taken by LE personnel. my2ct

Click to enlarge. Image from The only talking we want to hear from shameless Alec Baldwin is in the courtroom

 

[MajorHoople]

In this interview Baldwin asked the question, 'Why sue people if you're not going to get money? That's what you're doing.'"

I'd like to take a crack at answering that question. You see Alec, sometimes it's about more than money. Sometimes it's about justice and accountability.

 

[Cryptic]

re: protecting assets.

Do we think there are sizeable trusts for the 6 little kids? That would not be available for seizure.

Maybe AB & HB have solid financial advisors?

Trusts established before the incident would be safe from siezure as AB surrendered control of those assets prior to being sued.

Trusts established after the incident can be seized. Money or assets moved after one is sued, or even after one reasonably believes one is going to be sued can be Fraudulent Transfer, which is a crime. Fraudulent Transfers can be voided by a Court.

But....

The plaintiffs must find the fraudulent transfers and bring them to the attention of the Court. Then, the plaintiffs must prove fraudulent transfer and..... the Court must have the authority to actually seize the asset.

As for AB and HBs financial advisors, I imagine that what ever they were before the suit, they are top notch now. Thus, finding possible fraudulent transfers and then actually being able to seize them could get very difficult.

As a side note, Nevada trust attorneys advertise that Nevada's "privacy values" make identifying ownership difficult, and that Nevada requires Clear and Convincing proof of Fraudulent Transfer. Most importantly, a private entity uhmm.... "hostile force" has never breached a Nevada trust that reached its two year maturation period.

Meanwhile, Wyoming trust attorneys brag that their state's new anonymity laws regarding trust ownership are essentially air tight. If so, this could make proving fraudulent transfer in /to Wyoming near impossible.

If the above talking points are true, it demonstrates that AB might not even need to go over seas to make possible transfers unidentifiable and beyond reach.

 

[Cryptic]

In this interview Baldwin asked the question, 'Why sue people if you're not going to get money? That's what you're doing.'"

Jeez, I am surprised that AB's PR pro has not advised him to state that he is .... "Deeply troubled and concerned" about the law suits and to keep the "Not gonna get nothin" likely facts as confidential as the banking laws of some jurisdictions.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Pic of "The" Gun?

Antimony stated in a previous post that it was not.

 

[Luna20]

Jeez, I am surprised that AB's PR pro has not advised him to state that he is .... "Deeply troubled and concerned" about the law suits and to keep the "Not gonna get nothin" likely facts as confidential as the banking laws of some jurisdictions.

He has a pattern of not heeding advice or submitting to authority…in words and actions. Even after public consequences it hasn’t humbled him.

 

[Gardenista]

Alec Baldwin Says 'Rust' Contract Makes Him Untouchable

 

[Gardenista]

Alec Baldwin Seeks to Avoid Liability in Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting

Mr. Nikas described in the claim how, in the weeks after the fatal shooting, Mr. Baldwin had sought to persuade the cast and crew of “Rust” to finish the film to honor Ms. Hutchins, outlining a plan in which an insurance payout and the film’s profits would go to a settlement for Mr. Hutchins and the couple’s 9-year-old son.

 

[al66pine]

"Alec Baldwin says his "Rust" contract makes him judgment proof in the fatal shooting of Halyna Hutchins ..."* bbm

Alec (assuming tmz.com quoted you accurately), are you sure you know what the term means? Your contract may provide what you attorneys say, i.e., "... his deal shields him from any financial responsibility in connection with Hutchins' death." Or not, IDK.

Alec, a contract may address your liability for causing injuries or deaths on the Rust set, or it may be silent on the matter.
Regardless, there are now lawsuits & arbitration cases pending.

Alec, ask your attorneys or our handy friend wiki.com to define judgment proof.**

Alec, in saying you are judgment proof, do you realize you're saying you are insolvent? Or that your income & assets cannot be obtained to pay the (hypothetically some time in the future) judgment awarding Hutchins $, because of your $/assets being held in offshore a/c's, in specific types of trusts, or by exemption under bankruptcy law. ^ may be true, but your Rust contract does not make you judgment proof.

Alec, for your own good, maybe it's time for you to be quiet & to let your attorneys speak on your behalf. my2ct
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* Alec Baldwin Says 'Rust' Contract Makes Him Untouchable
** "Being "judgment proof" is not a defense to a lawsuit. If sued, the defendant cannot claim being "judgment proof" as an affirmative defense. The term "judgment proof" instead refers to the inability of the judgment holder to obtain satisfaction of the judgment.[1]"
"If a plaintiff were to secure a legal judgment against an insolvent defendant, the defendant's lack of funds would make the satisfaction of that judgment difficult, if not impossible, to secure.[2]"
^ Judgment proof - Wikipedia.

 

[Gardenista]

Here's the arbitration demand document

https://deadline.com/wp-content/upl...-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf

 

[shotgun09]

Here's the arbitration demand document

https://deadline.com/wp-content/upl...-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf

Cheese and Rice!
Did AB help write that? Especially number 7.
From the complaint:

"It does not diminish that loss to say that October 21 was also the worst day in Alec Baldwin’s life. That day has and will continue to haunt Baldwin. “Accidental killers often report experiencing symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder: flashbacks, hallucinations, nightmares, and what’s known as ‘moral injury.’” Yet, as a society, we do not provide the resources or understanding for people going through these tragedies: "......

He's still a victim.....Gosh Darnit!

 

[Gardenista]

Cheese and Rice!
Did AB help write that? Especially number 7.
From the complaint:

"It does not diminish that loss to say that October 21 was also the worst day in Alec Baldwin’s life. That day has and will continue to haunt Baldwin. “Accidental killers often report experiencing symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder: flashbacks, hallucinations, nightmares, and what’s known as ‘moral injury.’” Yet, as a society, we do not provide the resources or understanding for people going through these tragedies: "......

He's still a victim.....Gosh Darnit!

Haha, I had the exact same thought!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Cheese and Rice!
Did AB help write that? Especially number 7.
From the complaint:

"It does not diminish that loss to say that October 21 was also the worst day in Alec Baldwin’s life. That day has and will continue to haunt Baldwin. “Accidental killers often report experiencing symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder: flashbacks, hallucinations, nightmares, and what’s known as ‘moral injury.’” Yet, as a society, we do not provide the resources or understanding for people going through these tragedies: "......

He's still a victim.....Gosh Darnit!

Not only is AB a victim there's no one able to help him. I guess that puts him above Halyna's family in terms of being a victim here. Poor Alec.

An exhaustive search yielded no research on such people, and nothing in the way of therapeutic protocols, publicly listed support groups, or therapists who specialize in their treatment.

GMAB.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/upl...-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Baldwin then pulled back the hammer, but not far enough to actually the gun.
When Baldwin let go of the hammer, the gun went off.

So AB is now saying he only pulled the hammer back part way and then he let go of it. Number one why would he do that and number two wouldn't one of the hammer notches prevent the hammer from dropping all the way? Safety and half notches. Unless his finger was holding the trigger back while he was pulling on the hammer. JMO.

How To Function Check A Colt Single Action Army Revolver

https://deadline.com/wp-content/upl...-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf

 

[Arkay]

"It does not diminish that loss to say that October 21 was also the worst day in Alec Baldwin’s life. That day has and will continue to haunt Baldwin. “Accidental killers often report experiencing symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder: flashbacks, hallucinations, nightmares, and what’s known as ‘moral injury.’” Yet, as a society, we do not provide the resources or understanding for people going through these tragedies: "......

He's still a victim.....Gosh Darnit!

I'm not even kidding....he's wildly famous, he must have connections...let him get in touch with Laura Bush.

When Laura Bush was 17, she killed another 17-year old in a car accident. A kid she knew, and she didn't go to the funeral or talk to the parents. She's said she lived through years of guilt.

I'm quite sure Alec would be on a very different page politically than Laura Bush, but it doesn't matter. IMO connecting with someone who killed someone and who also lives in the public eye would be helpful. I don't care if Alec feels better, I just care if he accepts responsibility for the role he played in killing Halyna.

Alec used to be a pet at NBC, where Jenna Bush works now. I'm sure if he DID care he could get in touch.

But IMO this paragraph from his lawyers is just part of Alec's self-victimhood.

 

[al66pine]

No Resources for Alec? Oh, Really?
From Alec Baldwin's Arbitration Demand:
"Accidental killers often report experiencing symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder: flashbacks, hallucinations, nightmares, and what’s known as ‘moral injury. Yet, as a society, we do not provide the resources or understanding for people going through these tragedies: “[t]here are self-help books written for seemingly every aberration of human experience . . . . But there are no self-help books for anyone who has accidentally killed another person. An exhaustive search yielded no research on such people, and nothing in the way of therapeutic protocols, publicly listed support groups, or therapists who specialize in their treatment.”5 Instead, we often pile on to the grief they are experiencing and villainize them as murderers, without putting ourselves in their shoes or considering who is truly culpable for the tragedy..."

Poor Alec. Nobody has written a self-help book just for him. No resources?

Seriously, following ^ quote to its source, I found an interesting article** w affiliated website accidentalimpacts.org*** "(Some call us CADI’s (Causing Accidental Death or Injury). Most of us feel grief, guilt, and distress about our accidents."

Reading footnotes linked prompted me to sympathize w some describing feelings in the aftermath of deaths/injuries they caused. In the accidental killers link, a now-adult describes accidentally shooting, causing death of his brother.

Sympathy for Alec Baldwin? Nope, nope, nope.

Also found another take **** on the subject. my2ct.
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https://deadline.com/wp-content/upl...-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf
** The Sorrow and the Shame of the Accidental Killer
** About This Site - Accidental Impacts
**** Accidental Killers and Their Long Lament. September 2010. Journal of Pastoral Care & Counseling Advancing theory and professional practice through scholarly and reflective publications 64(3):7.1-9.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50396809_Accidental_Killers_and_Their_Long_Lament
Full article, no paywall.

 

[MajorHoople]

Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins' lawyers slam Alec Baldwin for saying she told him to shoot | Daily Mail Online

The estate lawyer for the Rust cinematographer who was shot and killed when a gun Alec Baldwin pointed at her on set went off called out the actor for his claims that she told him to point the weapon at her and fire.

Attorney Brian Panish claimed Baldwin, 63, was trying to minimize the role he played in the October 21 incident that killed Halyna Hutchins as Baldwin appeared to pass the blame onto the victim during an arbitration demand filed on Friday.

Baldwin also claimed that his contract shielded him from any financial responsibility related to Hutchins' death and that the lawsuit against the actor filed by the victim's family was what prevented the $7 million movie's completion.

Despite the tragedy, Baldwin, had attempted to convince cast and crew to finish filming 'Rust' in Hutchins' honor in the weeks after the shooting and have the proceeds from the movie go towards a settlement with the woman's husband, Matthew Hutchins, and nine-year-old son, according to the filings that also revealed Baldwin had been texting Matthew.

'It is shameful that Baldwin claims Hutchins’ actions in filing a wrongful death lawsuit derailed the completion of Rust,' Panish added. 'The only action that ended the film’s production was Baldwin’s killing of Halyna Hutchins.'

 

[Luna20]

Alec Baldwin says he was following Halyna Hutchins's orders when he shot her dead | Daily Mail Online