All Sauvie Island Searches

[Calliope]

Thanks for the pictures, FreeFallzzzz! :blowkiss: It really helps us understand what is going on!



That is an extremely interesting quote!

Interesting but a bit confusing.

because we’ll know something or we won’t know something and can mark it off the list

:waitasec:

Then again, I am caffeine-deficient this morning.

 

[Kimster]

REMINDER! The blue drum is NOT verified information and could be written by someone who knows less about this case than we know! Let's not give a rumor any wings!

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ETA: I can see that many want to discuss the flyer. In a few minutes, I'll move those posts to the private forum and give you guys the link. Please hold your thoughts until then.

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[cluciano63]

That quote reminds me of "we know where he isn't." So I think it is along those lines, they are marking off searched areas, where he isn't.

 

[carbuff]

Interesting but a bit confusing.

because we’ll know something or we won’t know something and can mark it off the list

:waitasec:

Then again, I am caffeine-deficient this morning.

I took it to mean something on the order of, "We have a report that a person in this case was seen dancing on a log wearing a purple tutu at midnight. If we go there and find a log wearing a purple tutu, or the place where the log threw the tutu away, we'll know that witness was right and the person was there. If not, maybe we'll tell that witness not to take so much cold medicine at bedtime next time."

I imagine their list is more serious and explicit.

 

[Billylee]

Another great day of pictures - thanks freefallzzzz. Cerainly is vast and beautiful at SI.

Looks like most of the roads are paved and some not. The thick blackberry bushes are off the road, right? Is the thinking such that the perp parked on the side of the road-path, took the body and hoisted it over and into thick of the bushes. Is that possible for a woman to do? TIA

Blackberry bushes are all interwoven, it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to throw a body on top of blackberry bushes and have it not just lay on top, exposed. You could easily hide something small that would drop through the brambles, but not a body. Which is why I keep wondering what they are looking for within the blackberry bushes.

 

[freefallzzzz]

Blackberry bushes are all interwoven, it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to throw a body on top of blackberry bushes and have it not just lay on top, exposed. You could easily hide something small that would drop through the brambles, but not a body. Which is why I keep wondering what they are looking for within the blackberry bushes.

I also saw horses and searchers doing "line" searches in fields (I have one pic of the horses but they are not in a perfect line)

I have been looking for KATU video, I know she got some great video of them as she had a lens that could zoom further than mine.

I can only saw what I saw, but the SAR's were covering all sorts of different terrain yesterday. =)

 

[miabellamoure]

We have a light rain going on this morning near Eugene. I can hear someone mowing their lawn. Yehp, definitely a true web-footed Oregonian!

raying: Find Kyron!

Lol...probably in his shorts & birk's, too!

 

[loves2bmom]

We have a light rain going on this morning near Eugene. I can hear someone mowing their lawn. Yehp, definitely a true web-footed Oregonian!

raying: Find Kyron!

It slowed down to a gentle shower now. Sounds like the forecast is showing a break in the rain today with heavier showers coming late this afternoon.
Mowing the lawn in the rain...yep par for the course!

 

[carbuff]

Blackberry bushes are all interwoven, it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to throw a body on top of blackberry bushes and have it not just lay on top, exposed. You could easily hide something small that would drop through the brambles, but not a body. Which is why I keep wondering what they are looking for within the blackberry bushes.

Are Oregon blackberry bushes are similar to New England blackberry bushes -- so if you disturbed the earth to bury something in early June, the bushes would have grown back over the area almost completely within only two or three weeks?

 

[cluciano63]

I took it to mean something on the order of, "We have a report that a person in this case was seen dancing on a log wearing a purple tutu at midnight. If we go there and find a log wearing a purple tutu, or the place where the log threw the tutu away, we'll know that witness was right and the person was there. If not, maybe we'll tell that witness not to take so much cold medicine at bedtime next time."

I imagine their list is more serious and explicit.

I hope you are right and they have something specific to look for. But I feel they are trying to rule the island out once and for all.

 

[carbuff]

I hope you are right and they have something specific to look for. But I feel they are trying to rule the island out once and for all.

They could both be true, if all the tips or clues or whatever come back negative. And I'm only guessing myself, so who knows.

 

[Kimster]

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[miabellamoure]

Five more days of weather after four months is not going to make a significant difference.

Five more days of animal traffic, ditto. If there has been animal activity, any remains will now be in such a state as to not be interesting to animals.

If TMH is the de facto suspect, I'm sure that LE is HOPING she goes out there. I cannot believe her movements are not being closely monitored. With GPS, etc, a human being doesn't even have to be within sight for monitoring to happen.

The big advantage to searching on weekends is that most of the SAR personnel are unpaid volunteers. Since most people work M-F, doing planned searches on weekends minimizes the amount of time SAR volunteers have to take off work. When dealing with volunteers for vital tasks, it's crucially important to minimize the financial impact and inconvenience of doing that task.

So many searches are emergencies and cannot be planned that it only makes sense to be as sensitive to various concerns and inconveniences for searches that are not emergencies. Burn your volunteers out and everyone in the public is a potential loser.

bbm

Just the image in my brain of her doing that...Terri trekking back to the spot where she may have deposited Kyron is quite disturbing and I'd have to say...I seriously doubt she'd be that stupid at this point...but, ya never know.

 

[eyes4crime]

Blackberry bushes are all interwoven, it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to throw a body on top of blackberry bushes and have it not just lay on top, exposed. You could easily hide something small that would drop through the brambles, but not a body. Which is why I keep wondering what they are looking for within the blackberry bushes.

From freefallzzzz pictures I gather that SI is beautiful with vast amounts of land. I see some roads are paved and others are not. I can see how a body can be brought onto the island, but once there, wouldn't you have to park the car on the side of a road or path and walk to the dense woods to dispose of it?

Looks to me as though the layout of SI is not convenient for the disposal of a body. The month of June may not be busy but can you get out of your car and be assured noone will drive by and see your car parked. Are the bodies of water convenient for dumping and placed where one cannot be seen. TIA

I'm from Chicago and am having a difficult time wrapping my mind around SI being a place to dispose of a body Thanks in advance for any insights from the locals.

Also, isn't SI busy in the month of October due to the pumpkin patches? I hope the pumpkin patches have been searched inside and out. TIA to all the locals who take the time to help those of us thousands of miles away. :blowkiss: moo mho

 

[Billylee]

Are Oregon blackberry bushes are similar to New England blackberry bushes -- so if you disturbed the earth to bury something in early June, the bushes would have grown back over the area almost completely within only two or three weeks?

These are Himalayan blackberries, not native. They're huge if left to grow as they want. We just took some out (with a tractor) that were at least 20 feet high and 20 feet wide. That was 3 weeks ago or so and the new growth (though it's not growing season) is only about 6 inches high. (AND NOW POISONED, I might add.)

I feel they're not just searching for Kyron, but any evidence, such as a bat phone if they're looking within the blackberries.

Now, if a body was thrown down a ravine somewhere, it might be possible, especially in June, that it could land sorta' underneath the edge of the blackberries and then get covered up as summer went on. But, if they're searching the same areas they searched before, then I think they would have found a body the first time. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

The whole place just looks so daunting, as far as trying to find anything as small as a little boy, or even smaller bits of evidence. If he is out there, they may never find him.
I'm trying to remain optimistic, but it is not easy.

 

[Billylee]

From freefallzzzz pictures I gather that SI is beautiful with vast amounts of land. I see some roads are paved and others are not. I can see how a body can be brought onto the island, but once there, wouldn't you have to park the car on the side of a road or path and walk to the dense woods to dispose of it?

Looks to me as though the layout of SI is not convenient for the disposal of a body. The month of June may not be busy but can you get out of your car and be assured noone will drive by and see your car parked. Are the bodies of water convenient for dumping and placed where one cannot be seen. TIA

I'm from Chicago and am having a difficult time wrapping my mind around SI being a place to dispose of a body Thanks in advance for any insights from the locals.

Also, isn't SI busy in the month of October due to the pumpkin patches? I hope the pumpkin patches have been searched inside and out. TIA to all the locals who take the time to help those of us thousands of miles away. :blowkiss: moo mho

I'm not familiar with SI, I'm south of there. I really think if TH did murder Kyron, he's in the water somewhere. JMO But you bring up a good point about the pumpkin patches. Because this year we had an awfully wet, cool spring, and I couldn't even put a garden in until July. So, you've got me wondering if those pumpkin fields would have just been plowed and planted back on June 4. Seems about the right time.

 

[CASH]

Regarding the question of whether SI is busy this time of year, the answer is yes. We were out there on Friday getting our pumpkins and it was very busy since the schools were off for a teacher in-service day. On weekends and nice days in October, the pumpkin patches get very, very crowded.

Driving around there on Friday, and thinking about the SAR crews coming in on Saturday, all that came to mind was "needle in a haystack". Best of luck to them....

 

[cluciano63]

I hope LE has a very good reason to be searching out there again and again. There are so many places to search and so relatively few search teams...

 

[eyes4crime]

I hope LE has a very good reason to be searching out there again and again. There are so many places to search and so relatively few search teams...

Maybe LE are making sure families visiting SI during the busy month of October, to pick out pumpkins, do not somehow come across the remains of a child. moo

Think of the horror of that happening, especially for a child out searching for his/her pumpkin!