All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[marspiter]

Trying to remember but has a date been set for when the defense will be reviewing these records?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

THANK YOU for your intelligent, reasonable reply TWA!!!!

Nothing to add -- except I wanted to say that the identity of NONE of the "32 searchers" who have been notated as having searched within 50 yards of Caylee's remains, have been made public -- much less anything these 32 people have SAID at any time. There are no documents on record that have been made public stating that any TES searchers said they searched on their own, except for Laura B..

IMO it is pathetic the way the Defense and their investigators are trying desperately to disrupt/ruin the lives of completely innocent people who volunteered their time to search for precious Caylee, in an attempt to get an alleged baby killer off the hook for a murder conviction and possibly the death penalty! Disgusting! Especially to fish around on a blog forum -- transparent and desperate.

ITA, with TWA and TT....it reminds me of the old adage, "NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED"!

I worry what this would do for future searches? Will any future volunteers want to risk getting roped into a murder investigation? Would they want their good deed to be misconstrued as someone who may have been responsible for the demise of a victim??? This is a terrible thing to do to people who selflessly donate their time (and their mental/emotional status) to try and bring a loved one home! I wonder how a jury would perceive this? Will they look down on the defense for trying to implicate innocent people? Will they see it like we do??? I am tired of this defense team trying to place blame on everyone, anyone other than the one that sits accused...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

 

[ThinkTank]

Trying to remember but has a date been set for when the defense will be reviewing these records?

If a date has been set -- the date has not been made public yet.
Judge P. told NeJame to file his "bad faith" motion - NJ said he would file it by Thursday, this week.
Then they will set a Hearing on this matter after the Motion is filed.
I do not know if the Hearing will take place before the Defense sets a date to go look at the records or not?

 

[Macushla]

Trying to remember but has a date been set for when the defense will be reviewing these records?

No that I know of. And won't it be interesting to see how long it takes the defense to set a time to look at these records they have been SO desperate to see If it takes them longer than a week to set a date, then I guess the urgency has for some reason gone away.

 

[The World According]

For our readers who are in foreign countries: I have had several write to me to inquire how to donate to TES: Here you go. For those of you who don't know, Mr. Tim Miller's daughter was murdered and her body not found for some time. He, his wife, his family and longtime dear friends decided to do something in her honor to help other families in the same situation. You can read more here: www.texasequusearch.org




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The date for the inspection has not been set yet. The retired judge will need to inform the defense of his scheduling opportunities and then they may coordinate. Indeed Judge Perry did agree to a hearing on the bad faith motion. That is apparently another legal definition they are unfamiliar with...bad faith.
This case is replete with it. IMO

 

[beach]

Trying to remember but has a date been set for when the defense will be reviewing these records?

No, they have to coordinate it with the Special Magistrate appointed by HHJP to oversee the review. Several calendars to merge to find a specific date - Baez, Mason, NeJame and the magistrate. And the defense still has to squeeze in depos and status hearings already set.

eta: btw...there is a status hearing set for tomorrow @ 1:30 pm

 

[The World According]

Someone asked if attacking the TES volunteers is going to backfire on the defense, with the jury. In a word, yes!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqxwX-TqYU4[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsoSuGCK_Ts[/ame]
"You open a thousand oysters and try to find that one pearl"Mr. Sheaffer explained what type of thinking the defense may have in their search for anything to hang their hat on.
"The judge is very mindful that a conviction in this case is only round one. There are going to be appeals and following that there are going to be competency of council arguments, etc."
Here Mr. Miller explains the nature of his ALL VOLUNTEER organization, and why he does not divulge his volunteers private information:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pZTnitaYY[/ame]

Mr. Casey appears to be trying to create reasonable doubt that Caylee's body was not there in November. We later hear from Cindy Anthony in the ZG civil depo, "She
(Caylee) wasn't there in November when Dominic was there!" [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMIxHJc4Tow[/ame]
Mr. Bill Sheaffer, Orlando defense expert said "The evidence is mounting that this was a staged event for the benefit of the defense!!!"


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xvIUj53jE[/ame]

To answer our members question , will the jury be hip to what is really going on here....absolutely.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8Y2rzldmA[/ame]

 

[The World According]

Check out what Mr. Miller has to testify about. WOW

View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf

we learned from the various T E S searchers in their statements in the recent document dump, all of them say the area in question was under water! God knows their attempt to hold J. Jordan up as their example went over like a lead balloon. This isn't going the way they hoped.

Moreover, Mr. Miller's statements were released in the document dump. In them he details some very bad facts for the defense. It is painfully obvious, that it certainly appeared to him that the entire family knew right away Caylee was dead. George in front of Tim asked Casey to help them by marking the spot on the map of where they should look for the baby's body.

This blows the we need to hunt down Zanny the Nanny defense , completely. It makes Dominic's search of the woods even more suspicious. It means the family took advantage of the FBI and LE and TES resources, and violated the trust of the public, opened a Caylee is missing request for donations all the while knowing the truth. This is the biggest bombshell, imo.

These latest revelations coming from the TES camp could not be more damaging for Casey, or mom and pop for that matter, that all that they did was a lie from jump. It makes pointing the finger at Jesse, Amy and Kronk even more hard to swallow. Any sympathy folks may have been holding on to will be fully washed away, now that Mr. Miller has shared that the truth about Casey never mentioning Caylee's name, instead she was smiling and acting as though she was going to a cheer leading party. He is going to be a pivotal witness. The defense cannot combat his testimony with calling it junk science. He is going to appeal to the jury at their very base common sense. Out of all the cast of characters, imo the jury is going to believe all that he says and trust his judgment. These statements released in the document dump are very tough for the defense to overcome. If I were them, I would regroup and come to this hearing with a new tone. If the public perceives them as being hateful to even Mr. Miller, imo, they will have no, zero credibility ever, on any subject.

The defense really is picking a fight with the wrong crew here. It has backfired in ways that would be tough to measure. They better pick a more likely villan to try to insinuate wrongdoing against than the beloved Tim Miller, an American hero.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENR8RQSwTU[/ame]


The account of what went on in the A's home starts at about page 11...
Much more interesting info in the interview...
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918226/detail.html

Good grief, after reading that it is no wonder the defense wants to cast some doubt on TES!! It is going to take a miracle to overcome this! Casey Anthony found out yesterday when her mom and brother testified....she is all out of miracles.



[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8Y2rzldmA[/ame]

 

[The World According]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ajibgshx94[/ame]

I am so happy that Mr. Nejame stepped up to represent Texas Equusearch.

Check out what he says about a certain karma aspect that at the very time the baby's little skeleton was being located...where were mom and pop...out on a media tour heralding their daughter's innocence.

You just can't make this stuff up!!

 

[Intermezzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ajibgshx94

I am so happy that Mr. Nejame stepped up to represent Texas Equusearch.

Check out what he says about a certain karma aspect that at the very time the baby's little skeleton was being located...where were mom and pop...out on a media tour heralding their daughter's innocence.

You just can't make this stuff up!!

Thanks TWA..I couldn't find that interview and wanted to listen to it again.
I remember being in car rider line waiting for the school bell to ring and while I waited I was listening to Mr NeJame's phone interview on the radio.
I LOVED what he was saying.
Thanks!!

 

[The World According]

Where is the defense's witness list or "proof" that was due February 1st?

BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Evidence Released 02/16/10

http://www.wftv.com/video/22582915/index.html

He explained that it is clear the defense is still on a fishing expedition to muster up something to back up Todd's claims. "If they had the proof ...they would produce the exculpatory evidence required by the rules of procedure. That coupled with the fact that they keep going off into the area that they need the Texas Equusearch records....they are still fishing , trying to come up with something that they do not have, that they never did have . They missed their deadline. They have not produced their proof and that is because THEY DON'T HAVE IT!!"


Where is the defense's proof that was due February 1st?

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

FANTASTIC :dance: FANTASTIC :dance: FANTASTIC :dance: FANTASTIC :dance:

You are fantastic...the following post are FANTASTIC:
463 - 469 - 471 - 472 - 473 - 475

BUT, Most Of ALL..... Tim Miller is FANTASTIC
and what he does and stands for is FANTASTIC!!!!!
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[ThinkTank]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

FANTASTIC :dance: FANTASTIC :dance: FANTASTIC :dance: FANTASTIC :dance:

You are fantastic...the following post are FANTASTIC:
463 - 469 - 471 - 472 - 473 - 475

BUT, Most Of ALL..... Tim Miller is FANTASTIC
and what he does and stands for is FANTASTIC!!!!!
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

Where are those posts please?
463-469-471-473-475 ?? Which thread?
TIA

 

[LambChop]

Will the taxpayers be expected to pay for a fishing expedition when there is no proof of any wrong doing by a second party? If KC refuses to say a word in her defense why in the world would the good people, some of which were searchers, want to pay for this farce? If JB came forward and said we have information which leads us to believe that the body was placed there by one of the searchers. JB admits he does not know what he is looking for.

So prior to his experts examining the forensic results from the remain's site JB has made this assumption that the remains were dumped there after November based on what? He's getting so far out there we're going to have to send the space shuttle out to bring him back.

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

Where are those posts please?
463-469-471-473-475 ?? Which thread?
TIA

Just pan right up from your post here that I am quoting and you will find them on page 19.

Your post is #474 on this thread so they are above yours.

 

[ThinkTank]

Originally Posted by ThinkTank
THANK YOU for your intelligent, reasonable reply TWA!!!!

Nothing to add -- except I wanted to say that the identity of NONE of the "32 searchers" who have been notated as having searched within 50 yards of Caylee's remains, have been made public -- much less anything these 32 people have SAID at any time. There are no documents on record that have been made public stating that any TES searchers said they searched on their own, except for Laura B..

IMO it is pathetic the way the Defense and their investigators are trying desperately to disrupt/ruin the lives of completely innocent people who volunteered their time to search for precious Caylee, in an attempt to get an alleged baby killer off the hook for a murder conviction and possibly the death penalty! Disgusting! Especially to fish around on a blog forum -- transparent and desperate.

Sorry, but many of those volunteer names have been made public in the several interviews by LE. JJ himself mentions many of them. This is old news. IMO

TES searcher names have been made public, but not specifically noted which ones are in the group of "32" which have been separated as having searched within 50 yards of Caylee's remains. There are no public documents specifically naming the "32", nor any public documents showing what any of the specific "32" searchers have ever said about where they searched.

My point simply is that you appear to be trying to make a connection with a specific TES searcher, based on what the "32" designated searchers have "said" ... and nobody knows who the specific "32" searchers are, or what they have said.

Can you please direct me to any public document showing where any TES searcher has said they searched on their own, other than Laura B., and also where it is specifically shown that the "32" TES searchers have been identified by name as being in the group of "32" who searched within 50 yards of Caylee's remains?

You specifically said that "...several of the '32' admitted to going to suburban drive to search on their own...". Do you have particular inside information which the public does not have? The public does not know who the "32" searchers are, or what they have said about their searching.

Originally Posted by notthatsmart "Considering several of the 32 admitted to going to suburban drive to search on their own, IMO , it is prolly likely that many of the locals in that 4000 did as well. IMO Not sure how they are going to decipher who did or who didn't, but they may know who they are looking for. IMO This will now be a comfortable atmosphere for them and to have an unbiased person watching over to make sure they are able to view the records is a huge win in my opinion.. I do not understand why Mn allowed Bf to be the one watching over during the Cm view of the records. I can certainly understand why Cm was upset. I was very happy to hear that the Judge took control of this situation. I wonder when the view will happen and I wonder what they will learn."

 

[whiteangora]

THANK YOU for your intelligent, reasonable reply TWA!!!!

Nothing to add -- except I wanted to say that the identity of NONE of the "32 searchers" who have been notated as having searched within 50 yards of Caylee's remains, have been made public -- much less anything these 32 people have SAID at any time. There are no documents on record that have been made public stating that any TES searchers said they searched on their own, except for Laura B..

IMO it is pathetic the way the Defense and their investigators are trying desperately to disrupt/ruin the lives of completely innocent people who volunteered their time to search for precious Caylee, in an attempt to get an alleged baby killer off the hook for a murder conviction and possibly the death penalty! Disgusting! Especially to fish around on a blog forum -- transparent and desperate.

Yes, it is disgusting and pathetic but we have to remember that Desperate times call for Desperate measures.
The defense is up the proverbial creek without a paddle and they know it. Most of us here (imo) know what's what and who's who, and what information is real as opposed to what is all dressed up to "Look Like the Truth".

 

[cecybeans]

TWA - as usual thank you for standing up for the real heroes - the machinations of a desperate defense may try to use decent, upstanding people as red herrings for this farce of a case, but there is no reason for the general public to comment on them, unless they have decided to go public of their own accord like JW. I feel sorry for every one of KC's friends and acquaintances who have been punished over and over for having known her before and while Caylee was killed, but using people who showed up to look for Caylee because her own mother refused to tell the truth (and sat on her butt in jail or went to her attorney's office every day with nothing to do but look for ways to exploit her dead daughter) - who invested their own time, money and hearts to help this child - as cheap fodder for a weak and failing defense is beyond immoral, it should be criminal.

The defense has used a contradictory, scattershot approach that has backfired every step of the way. The fact that JB criticized LE for missing RK's tips in August and simultaneously pursued a lame theory the body wasn't even there speaks volumes - they can't even make up their minds on what strategy to pursue from minute to minute. I haven't seen a talking DEFENSE head yet that thinks anyone can put lipstick on this pig, much less anyone in the general public (who isn't working for the defense in some capacity I'd warrant). Vilifying the person who found Caylee and attempting to dig up dirt on any volunteer who may have helped is beyond disgusting - I think a new circle in hell should be created just for such cheap and evil trickery. It's one thing to put together a case based on someone's alleged innocence, it's quite another to try to create doubt by implicating anyone in proximity.

I agree with you that this family took advantage of the resources locally to give their daughter yet another chance to defraud the public. Her attorney played along and used the opportunity to make a quarter million dollars that apparently exempted him from creating any discernible work product other than sophomoric, whiny motions that have wasted the court's time for two years.

Those 911 calls are critical for two reasons. One, they show the precise instant in which CA connects the smell of the car to the news that Caylee is officially MIA by her daughter's own admission. That third call shows how it has now ratcheted her mother's interest and is not simply a "stolen" vehicle anymore in light of this news. It is the epitome of "excited utterance". Secondly, the jury will get to hear KC's blase and very disinterested subsequent exchange with the dispatcher on the phone in which it is plain to see she is simply irritated and inconvenienced about having to answer questions about a child she has apparently not seen in over a month and failed to report because she was too busy "looking for her" on her own in bars and shopping malls.

The fact that a group of people have been able to continually profit from the kind of lies that wouldn't fool anyone coming out of the mouth of a five-year-old is just absolutely gobsmackingly awful. Beyond words.

 

[Mamabear1963]

Sorry, but many of those volunteer names have been made public in the several interviews by LE. JJ himself mentions many of them. This is old news. IMO

:waitasec: Do you know which interviews? I think I might go and check myself.


ETA:
nevermind...not sure I have enough time or brain cells for this one.

Really, the only thing this is, is a straw. One of many straws the defense is grasping at. I think what we will see in May is a well laid out theory on what the SA thinks happened.

 

[RainyGirl]

Unless and until you have proof ( a link at least ) of some impropriety, please do not anyone engage in discussing names of TES volunteers in any sentences that disparage or question their motives. That is wholly misguided. A Texas Equusearch volunteer is a Texas Equusearch volunteer , period. A conflict of interest is a term used to describe the situation in which a public official or fiduciary, a lawyer for example, who, contrary to the obligation and absolute duty to act for the benefit of the public or a designated individual, exploits the relationship for personal benefit. The volunteer is in no such position, real or imagined and should not be accused.

Many, many, many times folks perform a variety of tasks for Texas Equusearch, there is so very much that goes into what the organization does. The actual searching through the woods or doing a dive or searching trash dump sites is one part, of course. Also there are many other duties the volunteers preform. Some come in from the searches and sit down at the computer who are experts in many fields, engineers, military personnel, doctors, from wealthy people to people that don't have a dime to their names, you would be amazed at the wide variety of walks of life, experience, etc. etc. There is nothing nefarious about one of them volunteering to sit with the defense lawyers while they review the documents. Any and all work done for TES, including the lone volunteer lady in the Texas office is done by a volunteer.

Saying there is a conflict of interest makes no sense, whatsoever. Respectfully, whoever thought that has a very poor understanding of what c o i means.

I am not surprised, if one has been listening to the defense lawyers in this case. Three times ,that I know of ,one of the lawyers for Casey stood and argued in court that Mark Nejame had a conflict of interest for representing TES after having resigned from representing mom and pop. All three times that was a lie. Not only does no conflict of interest exist, but he has in his file a SIGNED WAIVER OF CONFLICT, just for perfunctory reasons. Brad Conway corrected them and informed the judge that is not true, there is no conflict, and his clients certainly are NOT asserting any such thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8Y2rzldmA

Unless and until someone has some conclusive evidence of some wrongdoing, I respectfully request that we refrain from any implication that the Texas Equusearch member has done anything that should be considered potentially shady. That is not what we do here, make wholly unfounded accusations against innocent people. A volunteer performing more than one type of task for the organization ......how in the world could that be a conflict of interest? Of whose interest? Go to any free law library and look up the definition for clarity. It is nonsense like this that is what Mr. Miller is trying to protect his volunteers from, being accused and their good names being disparaged for no reason whatsoever!!!! It is outrageous.

If you listen carefully, you will see the judge made things better for the prosecution in this case regarding his ruling on the TES records, much better. This judge is concerned with a trial that has no appeal issues. He has cleared that path.

To be clear, the defense won nothing . The only thing the judge did was make it to where they are all out of excuses. A retired judge is going to sit in with them. THE DEFENSE LAWYERS ARE NOT LEAVING THAT ROOM WITH THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF ALL OF THE TES VOLUNTEERS. That is the only thing TES was trying to avoid. There is no problem at all having a judge tag documents for them. Mrs. Drane-Burdick and Mr. Conway were able to tag their own. Since this process is somehow outside of the skill set of Mr. Baez and Mr. Cheney, or is confusing to them in some manner, they have expressed to the judge they cannot do it. So now they have a judge ( who will be beyond reproach, this removes possible appeal problems ) helping them understand how to tag documents.

TES knows it has the proof that the exact area Caylee was found in was under water. The State knows it has the proof of how long she was there due to the plant growth. Let the defense look at all the other areas around Orlando that volunteers searched, we want them to. It is about damn time they are finally doing so.

At the end of the day the judge wants them to search the records from top to bottom and set out the ones they wish to have the trial judge decide if they are relevant. This is the exact same opportunity they have always had. They still cannot copy the documents and bring them back to their office. Judge Strickland told them they could review all of the documents LAST YEAR. They feigned an inability to do so. The slight difference now is they can take notes. OK. So what?

Check out Brad Conway letting the court know in JANUARY of 2009, that what was just argued by the defense in that morning's hearing is incorrect. His clients specifically waive any would be conflict. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aijyVQuLVEA Obviously the defense didn't bother to check with mom and pop what their position was. Too too funny. My point is just because you hear Jose or Cheney say something is no indication it is correct. So, IN COURT, the court was notified in January there is no conflict. What does Todd take to the podium and say to the judge in August....guess...he claims Mr. Nejame has a conflict of interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LsKP77ycw , later Andrea did the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IrzGBLLjg

(four minute mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYXZ_GSPyk0 You just can't make this stuff up!!!!
No document is leaving that location except through the retired judge's hands. He will take them to Judge Perry to determine relevance. This is wonderful for Caylee's justice; because, it moves the ball down the court, and at the same time the identity and personal cell phone information of the volunteers will not be copied and released to the public.

Of course, the 911 calls coming into the trial is HUGE. Any juror hearing the sheer panic in Cindy Anthony's voice is going to be effected by the truth.

The fact that a judge will be watching over the defense lawyers, simply ads another layer of protection for the privacy of the TES workers. Much like when Jose asked the court to let the experts and defense view the evidence on their own, outside of the OCSD staff......

what the defense actually got was MORE scrutiny, now not only are they removed any excuse that they were hindered in looking at the docs, now they have a judge who can testify that they had unfettered access, and this will remove ANY claims they make to the contrary, going forward. This is much like be careful what you wish for. In my earlier example, the defense walked out of the hearing with not only the OCSD staff indeed going to be present, but the State Attorney's office staff going to be present, and it was videotaped. Judge Perry is focused on removing ANY possible claim that the defense did not have a fair opportunity to properly defend Casey, any!

What the judge did regarding the TES records is set it up to where the defense has no, zero , excuse not to get on with what they could have done a year ago, and make it impossible for anything regarding this matter to be an appeal issue. The prosecution is happy about this development. One must think of big picture, appeal issue, appeal issue, appeal issue. If you listen carefully when Judge Perry rules, you will notice a pattern, he quotes from Supreme Court decisions, where appeals have been decided upon. Indeed.


As for any TES volunteer, God bless them for volunteering, in any capacity that they can and do. They have my abiding appreciation. May good people who can afford to, continue to ask for time off work, purchase plane tickets, bug spray, and boots and continue to search, in all conditions, for these murdered children who in the words of Tim Miller "Deserve a proper burial".

YES YES and another big YES!! I could not agree with you more, and I couldn't possibly snip any of this brilliant post to shorten it. I just want to add that many of my esteemed friends and cohorts down at the Regional Justice Center (both defense and prosecution attnys) believe very strongly that HHJP is acting to ensure a "iron-clad"/"no appeals possible"-type of process for the Anthony case. This extremely knowledgeable and Honorable Judge knows precisely what he is doing, and it is clear that all possible appeals of Casey's (inevitable, IMO) GUILTY sentence are being quashed now in pre-trial activity. I am positively thrilled that HHJP is in charge. Remember---(psst...Baez)---HHJP does not tolerate fools.

All JMO!