All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[mitzi]

I just finished reading this latest motion by "Tight Boots Mason", and ya'll have pretty much posted the same feelings that I have. I did notice one tiny thing at the end...

The motion is "hand delivered" to LDB and JA and "mailed" to NeJame. This is either for one reason, or another, or both....

1. So Mr. NeJames doesn't get his copy in time to file his response before next weeks hearing

or

2. just as a gesture of the lack of respect that the defense team has for Mr. NeJame...his will come in the regular mail.


This defense is making me sicker and sicker with each passing day, court appearance and motion filed. :sick::sick::sick:

OT to this thread---just a comment regarding the part of the motion requesting the tips that Baez never went to get back in 2008. I can't believe the defense has the unmitigated gall to come back now to request these...NOW that the state of Florida taxpayers can pay for these tips. Grrrrrrr!!!!!

Is there anything JB did, that actually cost money, before KC was declared indigent? Where the heck did all the money go that they got for pictures of Caylee, from Macaluso, etc? I sure pray that Judge Perry asks for and gets a FULL accounting of all expenses prior to indigency. How much you want to bet that NONE of the experts have been paid a dime yet...The JAC and JP have their work cut out for them, that's for sure.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I have no doubt that Mr. Nejame is fully aware of this motion. In fact.....I can only assume that JB and CM "announced" their intent as they departed from the office in April.

Also....if the defense were to "mail" the motion to Mr. Nejame......they would have to allow for delivery and add days accordingly. One may fax a "courtesy copy" over......but still have to mail the original AFAIK.

I believe JB's reference to the tips.......was offered as an example of how much he had to pay "out of pocket" for public records requests. He was attempting to get $5000 allotted for public records requests that didn't fall under "discovery".

What I DID find of particular interest....was that the reason JB gave during the hearing for anticipating public records requests.....was that they would be looking into prior "records" of witnesses including arrest records and court docs.

I think with that one comment.....JB made it very clear that they intend to dig up dirt on anyone that may have something negative to offer or verify about KC.......and additionally....pretty much tells us why they want ALL TES records. Because anyone with any prior criminal issues that may have been involved in any search will be cast as a possible "perp".......and squashed by the Defense Bus.

 

[essies]

I have no doubt that Mr. Nejame is fully aware of this motion. In fact.....I can only assume that JB and CM "announced" their intent as they departed from the office in April.

Also....if the defense were to "mail" the motion to Mr. Nejame......they would have to allow for delivery and add days accordingly. One may fax a "courtesy copy" over......but still have to mail the original AFAIK.

I believe JB's reference to the tips.......was offered as an example of how much he had to pay "out of pocket" for public records requests. He was attempting to get $5000 allotted for public records requests that didn't fall under "discovery".

What I DID find of particular interest....was that the reason JB gave during the hearing for anticipating public records requests.....was that they would be looking into prior "records" of witnesses including arrest records and court docs.

I think with that one comment.....JB made it very clear that they intend to dig up dirt on anyone that may have something negative to offer or verify about KC.......and additionally....pretty much tells us why they want ALL TES records. Because anyone with any prior criminal issues that may have been involved in any search will be cast as a possible "perp".......and squashed by the Defense Bus.

Don't forget the dogs!! He wants their records too!!:snooty:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Don't forget the dogs!! He wants their records too!!:snooty:

Regarding the dogs.....after JB made the comment about not being convinced that they were anything more than more "novel science"....... I thoroughly enjoyed Judge Perry commenting on "bomb sniffing dogs and drug dogs".

IMO.....it was basically a "bi*ch slap" and a "you are kidding me right?" type of comment.

 

[Intermezzo]

Hello there, I want to help you. I have posted various and sundry explanations, quotes, links, indeed the actual hearings to illustrate what Mr. Baez has done, and I do not know how to be more clear.

If the judge rules..the decision is made..it is no longer up for debate...one does not have the liberty of ignoring it in whole or in part.

Mr. Baez does exactly that. He returns to his office and conducts himself as if he is confused or the matter has yet to be decided. Often it is on the courthouse steps that he says things to the media that wholly contradict what the judge just ruled on two minutes prior. I teeter back and forth if he is honestly confused or he hopes the media and the public wont catch on. Regardless...it is misguided.

It was ordered that he may not copy or memorialize the documents in any manner, that he was to go inspect them. So, in simple terms to not go and inspect them and tab them AS ORDERED TO DO...was a violation of the order. He continued to violate it each and every day he did not go, after he made the appointment to, canceled and never rescheduled. For eight months he has violated the order.

It was ORDERED no copying or memorializing of the documents, in whole or in part, in any manner , whatsoever, by anyone.That is very clear. TO HIRE A COPY COMPANY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS ORDERED NOT TO DO IS A VIOLATION OF THE COURT'S ORDER.

He seems to have a very poor understanding or appreciation of what a court ORDER means. I am not a lawyer, but anyone can look it up. It is an order issued by a court that requires a person to do or refrain from doing something. .It means one MUST, it is not negotiable, it doesn't mean when you feel like it..it means within a reasonable time frame you MUST and when you are ordered something is disallowed it means absolutely YOU MAY NOT. Period.

I don't know your gender, but think of an Air Force commander giving an order to the Airmen....it is not a suggestion, it is not up for debate, they may not opine about it, they are to do it and do it now and there is no two ways about it.
In my opinion, for reasons that escape me, Jose does not understand a judge's order is to be respected and followed, unless and until the judge orders otherwise.
When you were a kid and you kept whining for something, and then you started up with "Why...why...why..?" were you told like I was, "Because I am the parent and I said so!" ?
That is how it is when a judge gives an order. Somebody..please tell Jose..he doesn't get a vote.

Believe me, he has violated other orders of the judge in this case, but for the purpose of this discussion I am giving you the documents example. Please don't make me list them, you know I can. LOL!

:applause::applause:

 

[Intermezzo]

You seem to have a mistaken impression of what is meant by "a secure environment".

The secure environment is to protect the property and record owners rights and privacy, not the defense. It is to insure that the entirety of the records in question remain fully under TES's control and are not released, copied or publicized in any manner without their permission or without a judge specifically ordering it done. The records in question are controlled and stored by the TES attorneys office, hence MN's office is the secure environment. It remains secure so long as TES's agents in this manner, MN and his staff, can maintain observation and security of the documents.

Some real apparent misconceptions you have regarding what the defense has been granted or must be provided.

- They can view the records. They can dig through the boxes to read them. That's it. Nothing more.

- They have no expectation of privacy in this regard. None whatsoever. The privacy assumption is on the part of TES in this case. So in order to maintain TES's privacy all interactions by the defense team must be observed.

- They have no expectation of a comfortable private or quiet spot to view the records. If they so wished TES could make them dig through the filing cabinet in the hallway. Putting the records in a box, in a quiet room, on a table with chairs are all courtesy. Nothing more. All TES has to provide is physical and observed access to the records, although a reasonable request of enough light to read them by would probably be granted. Anything beyond that is a reflection of MN's personal professionalism in the face of ongoing obnoxiousness. In many cases lawyers doing such secured records searchs have to go dig through the unaircondidtioned document storage warehouses that most companies and lawyers use.

- It's quite possible that MN did call the media on CM and JB. he has no reason not to. It is certainly in no way a violation of the judges order, and I can see where it would be to his benefit to have an independent witness in the event of trouble if CM and JB showed up to view documents unannonced in an attempt to intimidate his staff. (gee we couldn't possibly imagine CM attempting to intimidate staff to give him what he wants, could we?). MN could certainly alert the media to something interesting going on at his office, so long as he doesn't let them in the door.

:applause::applause:

 

[Intermezzo]

No, what I think they really want is to do a criminal record search on all 4,000 searchers. That's all they want. They're hoping one of those 4,000 people has a conviction or had a criminal charge against a child. They're hoping just one pedophile was in that 4,000. And then point the finger at that person. That's why they're fighting so hard to get these 4,000 records.

I agree.
And it is sad to know MY Florida taxes will be paying for the Defense's out of state PI, Mort Smith, to go after these Searchers who did more to try and find Caylee Anthony than her own mother did. :twocents:

 

[Aedrys]

I have no doubt that Mr. Nejame is fully aware of this motion. In fact.....I can only assume that JB and CM "announced" their intent as they departed from the office in April.

Also....if the defense were to "mail" the motion to Mr. Nejame......they would have to allow for delivery and add days accordingly. One may fax a "courtesy copy" over......but still have to mail the original AFAIK.

I believe JB's reference to the tips.......was offered as an example of how much he had to pay "out of pocket" for public records requests. He was attempting to get $5000 allotted for public records requests that didn't fall under "discovery".

What I DID find of particular interest....was that the reason JB gave during the hearing for anticipating public records requests.....was that they would be looking into prior "records" of witnesses including arrest records and court docs.

I think with that one comment.....JB made it very clear that they intend to dig up dirt on anyone that may have something negative to offer or verify about KC.......and additionally....pretty much tells us why they want ALL TES records. Because anyone with any prior criminal issues that may have been involved in any search will be cast as a possible "perp".......and squashed by the Defense Bus.

ITA. Should Baez get his way, this bus will be the size of a 747 jet! I don't know how much lower you can go if you are throwing even dogs under your wheels to get your sociopathic client off the hook. I hope JP denies them so hard the word "denied" is permanently engraved on their foreheads. We'll see how people will react if one of their loved ones should ever go missing. I have the feeling they're going to have a hard time getting anyone to help them search...

 

[Intermezzo]

ITA. Should Baez get his way, this bus will be the size of a 747 jet! I don't know how much lower you can go if you are throwing even dogs under your wheels to get your sociopathic client off the hook. I hope JP denies them so hard the word "denied" is permanently engraved on their foreheads. We'll see how people will react if one of their loved ones should ever go missing. I have the feeling they're going to have a hard time getting anyone to help them search...

BBM
I, a Florida Tax Payer, hope to hear these words spoken by Judge Perry "Denied with Prejudice!"
That sounds about right to me, especially after Baez has filed the same motion for what? a 3rd time after winning his first motion.
:twocents:

 

[sleutherontheside]

ITA. Should Baez get his way, this bus will be the size of a 747 jet! I don't know how much lower you can go if you are throwing even dogs under your wheels to get your sociopathic client off the hook. I hope JP denies them so hard the word "denied" is permanently engraved on their foreheads. We'll see how people will react if one of their loved ones should ever go missing. I have the feeling they're going to have a hard time getting anyone to help them search...

I can only assume that becasue the 4000+ names are not any part of official discovery, that Judge Perry will require JB to narrow down the criteria that they are interested in reviewing.*

The defense has already been provided a copy of the information pertaining to the searchers who were assigned to the area off of and in near proximity to Suburban Drive.

Recall how JB tried so hard to label TES as being retained by the OCSO.......They knew early on that perhaps there may be a "suitable" candidate or several...to cast as the lead in their "Reasonable Doubt" posters.
I have no doubt that Mr. Nejame will be able to not only "handle" the motions, but protect innocent parties from being "harassed, framed, or otherwise USED for nefarious purposes.

The defense claims that volunteers gave up any expectation of privacy citing *that if one of them found the body, that they would become a witness in the case.* Well Mr. Baez...........given that thought process.....I suppose that you could turn that theory around and say that because*the KFN posse and the Anthony's were out there volunteering to accept monies, that the media was out covering the searches, that they are fair game as well?

Let's see some others answer a few questions.* Didn't you say you were looking at all angles?.........* Or are you only looking at the obtuse?

 

[JSR]

I agree.
And it is sad to know MY Florida taxes will be paying for the Defense's out of state PI, Mort Smith, to go after these Searchers who did more to try and find Caylee Anthony than her own mother did. :twocents:

BBM

Actually it's more than her entire family did. Not a single family member assisted in an actual search of Caylee (for both an "alive" Caylee and a deceased Caylee). In fact, Cindy wouldn't even provide an item with Caylee's scent and it's rumored that she turned over an incorrect item to LE (a hair brush I believe).

It's my humble opinion they knew what happened to Caylee but either forgave or chose to look the other way. The last thing they wanted was for Caylee's remains to be found or identified.

She truly has been forgotten by all who should have remembered her for all of eternity.

 

[Anais]

BBM

Actually it's more than her entire family did. Not a single family member assisted in an actual search of Caylee (for both an "alive" Caylee and a deceased Caylee). In fact, Cindy wouldn't even provide an item with Caylee's scent and it's rumored that she turned over an incorrect item to LE (a hair brush I believe).

It's my humble opinion they knew what happened to Caylee but either forgave or chose to look the other way. The last thing they wanted was for Caylee's remains to be found or identified.

She truly has been forgotten by all who should have remembered her for all of eternity.

JSR for me this is what is most disturbing. I simply cannot get over the fact that all the while everyone else in the U.S. was pretty much looking for Caylee no person in her immediate family did anything about it. In fact all they did was send TES packing, agrue with LE because they we not looking for a "dead" Caylee, they were searching for a "live" baby girl Caylee! It goes beyond deplorable..........The only way that CA wanted Caylee found was alive . :furious:

What is even worse is that I believe that they all knew from day one when Casey could give absolutely no explanation as to Caylee's where abouts, and the smell of the Pontiac that the baby was indeed dead. That excited utterence says it all in my book. I believe that the entire family has some type of emotional dysfunction etc...JMO

In any case I am certain that Judge Perry will not give in to such nonsense from Baez et al and will stand by the orginal ruling. I believe this simply because Judge S. stated that if he were to change his decision there would have to be some significant reason with some solid evidence to back it up, all of which they cannot provide! One thing is certain Judge S. did make extremely wise & solid judgements and orders to the motions filed.

IMO I also thing JBP will see right through the defense game of finger pointing because it is everybody elses fault! You cannot just stomp your foot like a child Jose and get your way. Being a lawyer you're expected to put some work effort in. Which means actually rolling the sleeves up and applying some hard elbow grease and not expecting hand outs from everyone else. The SAO was able to go through all of those very same records in the very same condition in a matter of 5-6 hours. IMO the media was there because Baez et al wanted them there. I do not for one second believe that anyone from MN's office let alone him leaked. :nono:

I really truly hope that when Mr. Nejame gets to court with Baez et al on this matter that he will mop up the floors with them on this matter and put an end to it once and for all! IMO JBP will side with TES & Nejame. :twocents:

 

[logicalgirl]

I agree.
And it is sad to know MY Florida taxes will be paying for the Defense's out of state PI, Mort Smith, to go after these Searchers who did more to try and find Caylee Anthony than her own mother did. :twocents:

Weren't funds for out of state investigator Mort Smith, denied? I thought they were.

 

[Intermezzo]

Weren't funds for out of state investigator Mort Smith, denied? I thought they were.

I'll have to go back and listen again..but IIRC they were granted both an in state and out of state PI.
JAC wanted something like a 30 or 50 hour spending cap for investigation...Baez wanted somewhere around 500 hours and the Judge ruled and gave them a 300 hour spending cap.

 

[Star12]

I just finished reading this latest motion by "Tight Boots Mason", and ya'll have pretty much posted the same feelings that I have. I did notice one tiny thing at the end...

The motion is "hand delivered" to LDB and JA and "mailed" to NeJame. This is either for one reason, or another, or both....
QUOTE]

IMO, it was hand delivered as a matter of expedience; LDB and JA were conveniently in the courtroom. Defense knew that MN would not be there so it was mailed which is normal procedure. I don't think there were any ulterior motives there.

 

[LambChop]

I think JP said he wanted "local" out-of-state PI's to do the work. Which is normal. Most PI's are licenced to do work in the state they reside in. So that would make sense. Locals would also be more included to be objective, no horse in the race. jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

I think JP said he wanted "local" out-of-state PI's to do the work. Which is normal. Most PI's are licenced to do work in the state they reside in. So that would make sense. Locals would also be more included to be objective, no horse in the race. jmo

Ah, of course LambChop, that's what it was. As you say, JBP did not want Mort traveling to many locations when a "local" PI could do an equal or better job because they intimately knew the location.

Sorry - I took that as a Denied re Mort Smith.

 

[Intermezzo]

I'll have to go back and listen again..but IIRC they were granted both an in state and out of state PI.
JAC wanted something like a 30 or 50 hour spending cap for investigation...Baez wanted somewhere around 500 hours and the Judge ruled and gave them a 300 hour spending cap.

I think JP said he wanted "local" out-of-state PI's to do the work. Which is normal. Most PI's are licenced to do work in the state they reside in. So that would make sense. Locals would also be more included to be objective, no horse in the race. jmo

Ah, of course LambChop, that's what it was. As you say, JBP did not want Mort traveling to many locations when a "local" PI could do an equal or better job because they intimately knew the location.

Sorry - I took that as a Denied re Mort Smith.

I listened to the hearing again (WFTV Part 3 about the 15 minute mark)
Yes JBP suggested that the defense should use "local" out of state PI's.
Baez relpied with, they would be very frugal when it came to investigative expenses.
As I understood it, JBP did not deny the use of Mort Smith and Baez did not say they would use "local" out of state PI's, only that they would be frugal with PI spending.
I still believe the Defense will be using Mort Smith for all out of state PI work, but that's just me.

 

[logicalgirl]

I listened to the hearing again (WFTV Part 3 about the 15 minute mark)
Yes JBP suggested that the defense should use "local" out of state PI's.
Baez relpied with, they would be very frugal when it came to investigative expenses.
As I understood it, JBP did not deny the use of Mort Smith and Baez did not say they would use "local" out of state PI's, only that they would be frugal with PI spending.
I still believe the Defense will be using Mort Smith for all out of state PI work, but that's just me.

With THIS Judge presiding - I double dare Baez to do that!

Judge Perry stated his preference - Baez needs to learn to pay attention.

 

[zoey]

BBM

Actually it's more than her entire family did. Not a single family member assisted in an actual search of Caylee (for both an "alive" Caylee and a deceased Caylee). In fact, Cindy wouldn't even provide an item with Caylee's scent and it's rumored that she turned over an incorrect item to LE (a hair brush I believe).

It's my humble opinion they knew what happened to Caylee but either forgave or chose to look the other way. The last thing they wanted was for Caylee's remains to be found or identified.

She truly has been forgotten by all who should have remembered her for all of eternity.

in the a's defense (cough, cough (not on their team they make me :furious--they did do a few "live" Caylee searches--on of the most notable ones was Dec 10th 2008 -- when they appeared on LKL --- they were "looking" over some "sighting" info that came in for California.....also remember that ga also hauled around that darn billboard in search and can't forget his makeshift operations of handing out pamphlets for KFN---Oh yeah they also collected monies for searching for her as well....and then of course anytime a camera was present they announced to the world that LE was evil and mean to them and their darling little :loser: kc---oh yeah and they hired their own PI---dc---remember he also was getting some "psychic" tips....:furious:---so I guess they did NOTHING to really help find their adorable missing Caylee whom the everyone else was willing to go search for amongst all the snakes and wildlife in Flordia...they weren't handing out pics...oh no---they were trying to bring that baby home....