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  • #561
Isn't the motion for "bad faith" based upon the fact that JB et al failed to make any valid effort (as the SA office did without issues) to review docs prior to demanding MORE???

First JB sent The Presentation Group to copy the records (blatant violation of court ruling).

Failed to schedule further efforts and failed to return calls????

JB ended with a "half effort" theoretically made for appearances and failed to even attempt to operate within the constraints of the ruling.....

I agree completely.
Still confused however (without reading MN's Motion on Bad Faith) exactly what MN is asking the Court to do, with his Motion?
The Defense WILL be allowed to look at all 4,000 TES searcher records. And will be allowed to take notes.
I don't know if MN's Motion will be asking for sanctions for past behavior of the Defense? Or asking the Judge to quash his own Order and replace it with an Order that says the Defense CANNOT take notes?
 
  • #562
I agree completely.
Still confused however (without reading MN's Motion on Bad Faith) exactly what MN is asking the Court to do, with his Motion?
The Defense WILL be allowed to look at all 4,000 TES searcher records. And will be allowed to take notes.
I don't know if MN's Motion will be asking for sanctions for past behavior of the Defense? Or asking the Judge to quash his own Order and replace it with an Order that says the Defense CANNOT take notes?

I just asked this question on the Lawyer thread in the hopes that one of them would swing by with some insight into what Mark N's motion is designed to accomplish. :waitasec:
 
  • #563
I am very confused on the order of things.
It confuses me that Judge P. said the Defense can go ahead and look at the records, BEFORE there is a Hearing on MN's Motion of bad faith.
What if MN's Motion is asking the Judge to change the way the Defense will review the records?
How can the Defense go ahead and look at the records, when MN is asking to quash the Judge's Order?
 
  • #564
However ... look at the title of NeJame's Motion - he wants to quash the COURT'S ORDER ....
Doesn't that look like MN is NOT in agreement with Judge P's Order?

- 07/22/2010 Motion to Quash --The Court's Order on Defendant's Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum for the Documents in the Possession of Texas Equusearch Based on Bad Faith

I assume he is trying to quash the order issued by HHJS?

Here is the 2010.04.05 Order:

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in the Possession of TES 4-5-2010.pdf

But I can't find the original order :banghead:
 
  • #565
Someone explained the note-taking may very well be just that...things they may be interested in knowing...questions they'd like to ask...lawyer kinda stuff. I would think that the magistrate will not allow them to leave that room with names/addresses of any volunteers.

This is the way I *think* I'm interpreting the order by His Honor Judge Perry.......but I wish I knew more of the specifics. I believe HHJP assigned a Special Magistrate known to His Honor (another 'no nonsense' individual) and I trust the S.M. assigned to the duty has demonstrated exceptional observational skills in the past! :) This is one of those really dicey situations in which you need to protect the identities of TES volunteers, but also need to make "appeal-proof" decisions. KWIM?

JMO :)
 
  • #566
I am very confused on the order of things.
It confuses me that Judge P. said the Defense can go ahead and look at the records, BEFORE there is a Hearing on MN's Motion of bad faith.
What if MN's Motion is asking the Judge to change the way the Defense will review the records?
How can the Defense go ahead and look at the records, when MN is asking to quash the Judge's Order?

BBM

I just read the Order. I really believe the issue of note taking was stipulated to at sidebar. That was a long sidebar so they had to be negotiating about something, probably at the urging of Judge Perry.

MN has a Aug. 2nd deadline to file the bad faith motion. The deadline for the document review is Aug. 25th.

In paragraph 6 of the Order: "after the Court's review of said motion a hearing will be set."
In paragraph 5 of the Order: "An in camera review of said documents will not be scheduled until the motion, referenced below in paragraph 6, is filed and addressed"

I have a hunch that the basis of MN's bad faith motion is going to address malicious motive and intent (i.e., "fishing expedition"). He will probably reference the instances mentioned (failure to communicate/return calls/schedule, sending The Presentation Group, etc...) to support his argument of bad faith. So, though the document review may take place, Judge Perry is not going to allow an "in camera" review until he has considered MN's bad faith motion. IOW, HHJP is not going to look at the docs and say, "you can have this one, but not this guy", before he hears MN's argument.

Judge Perry's interpretation of "in the vicinity" is going to a BIG DEAL, imho.

The Order
 
  • #567
I guess this may all hinge on whether NJ files his bad faith motion before JB sets up a date to look at the files. They have never been in any particular rush before and I think it's a good bet that NJ files his motion before JB gets a chance to look at the files.
 
  • #568
But NeJame notes in his motion that Anthony lawyer J. Cheney Mason stated publicly last month that the area where the 2-year-old child's remains were found "was impassible at the time."

Because of Mason's statements, NeJame said, "It is patently obvious and apparent that the defense knows the conditions of the area, and that they are no longer in need of the names of any searchers to verify this information."

NeJame further suggests the defense "is filing these motions, requesting irrelevant documents all to create seemingly bogus appellate issues that do not exist." He calls the pursuit of the records "a ploy to harass volunteers of TES who donated their free time to search for the remains of the innocent Caylee Anthony."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...earch-anthony-attorney-jose-baez-defense-team

I just love MN...he is addressing the core of the issue with this "fishing expedition". I am so very glad MN represents TM/TES and is looking out for all those wonderful volunteers. It just breaks my heart the defense is taking the low road. Pointing fingers at everyone except the one they sit beside in the courtroom..JMHO

I believe this will harm ICA's defense. I'm sure the SA's will go with ICA blaming a non existant "nanny", who she named at day 31...she/CA told the 911 operator WHO "stole" Caylee...how does the defense think by shifting gears this will help....create that reasonable doubt. Hoping any jury will see through this and feel as most of us do...it's a waste, huge waste! :banghead:

Justice for Caylee
 
  • #569
The judge appeared to be beyond frustrated that this has drug on a year now, and as many of you have pointed out he is ever mindful of removing appeal issues.

Much like he has told the defense at times, "You can ask for it...it doesn't mean you are going to get it", unfortunately he told Mr. Nejame, go head and file your bad faith motion, ( my take on it, because of the sequence of how he said he was ruling now, the TES motion would be after the fact, and therefore be purely perfunctory, not at all a part of his decision making on this matter).

I wish that weren't what happened. The thing I know, judging by everything else he has done in the case up until now, is he is very careful, he does not mis-speak, when he says something he means precisely what he said, verbatim.

We do know that the defense has acted in bad faith. That will be easily proved in the hearing for the reasons we have set out in this thread, many times. Thew blew off the judge's order for eight months. We knew they understood the order by the mere fact that they indeed made an appointment to come to review the documents, ( they just never rescheduled after they canceled ). So, they disregarded the order, and then intended to defy it by setting up appointments for the document copying company ( The Presentation Group ) to go to copy the documents. Meanwhile they have filed frivolous motion after motion wasting the court's time, and costing TES additional legal work. Indeed the motion they filed regarding the reporter ( they claimed Mr. nejame allowed the reporter to review all the docs ) was blatantly bad faith as the reporter himself had called Mr. Baez to clarify for him that the reporter NEVER was given access to anything that wasn't already released in discovery. Even so, in bad faith ( knowing it was a lie ) Mr. Baez forged ahead with the public accusations against TES and Mr. Nejame. We know, I have been outraged about it enough to post the poof several times, that three times the defense lied to the court and claimed a ethical violation on the part of Mr. Nejame, that he has a conflict of interest from once having represented mom and pop at one time. All three times Brad Conway notified the court that is NOT true, there is no conflict, indeed he wanted it on the record that if there were any imagined conflict, his clients ( mom and pop) have instructed him to waive it in open court. The bad faith argument, for goodness sake...I could write the legal argument on my lunch break, the record is replete with examples.
The judge is allowing the record to be complete , so therefore he told Mr. Nejame his discussion will be heard in open court, and it will be part of the permanent file. This judge told us in a recent hearing he likes to sanction folks who step outside of the rules. He may very well sanction ( discipline on the record ) and fine the defense for the expense and unnecessary time TES had had to spend on their nonsense. Not just for this matter, but to put them on notice for their future ethical behavior as officers of the court. How do they say that.....to lay a record? I'll say. Somebody ought to.

However, that is a side matter, it seems to me, to the judge.

He is a big picture type of thinker. The question at the top of his pad is how could this matter be raised on appeal. Therefore, no need to wait until Mr. Nejame gets his day in court over the bad faith, the judge already ORDERED the terms of how the TES documents will be reviewed.
He sees these as effectively two separate matters.

For the next time that these two lawyers make wholly unsubstantiated claims against a fellow attorney in open court, and act in bad faith...he may indeed make them take their public admonishment.

For the sake of this trial, he is going to allow the access to the search documents, all of them, so long as he is the one who approves them being released in discovery.

The two matters are in his mind , mutually exclusive.

Yes, Mr. Nejame is indeed asking him to reconsider his decision based on his arguments. He has every right to do so. I just think, judging only on his past decisions, this is very, VERY unlikely to happen. I am again reminded of what he told the defense when they were in a similar situation..."You can ask, that doesn't mean you are going to get it".
Judge Perry had studied the matter from top to bottom, and was in court that morning to announce his learned decision, not to arrive at it, thus the side bar and ten minute resulting ruling.

That is my take on it. View attachment response to baez.pdf

View attachment Tes compilation.doc

www.docstoc.com/docs/27552747...al-Docs-Notice

View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf Please don't misunderstand, I do not buy into what the defense is doing or has done. The Judge is not fooled by them either, not at all. He is just doing the same thing Judge Strickland did by stepping aside, putting the sanctity of the jury verdict first, that is beyond reproach by appeal efforts. This is not his first rodeo.
 
  • #570
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...earch-anthony-attorney-jose-baez-defense-team

I just love MN...he is addressing the core of the issue with this "fishing expedition". I am so very glad MN represents TM/TES and is looking out for all those wonderful volunteers. It just breaks my heart the defense is taking the low road. Pointing fingers at everyone except the one they sit beside in the courtroom..JMHO

I believe this will harm ICA's defense. I'm sure the SA's will go with ICA blaming a non existant "nanny", who she named at day 31...she/CA told the 911 operator WHO "stole" Caylee...how does the defense think by shifting gears this will help....create that reasonable doubt. Hoping any jury will see through this and feel as most of us do...it's a waste, huge waste! :banghead:

Justice for Caylee

ITA
It's wrong and frustrating and they won't win with it-but it's all they got!!
I got this fantasy-it kinda goes like this- JB is walking us all down this long hallway (like ICA did at Universal) to the room where ICA's "compelling" reason is for those 31 days and when we get there - JB is gonna turn around and say "Be right back-I gotta use the men's room"! Then after waiting and waiting- we'll send one of our guys (BJB, JWG or Steely Dan) in there to check on him!!
And it will go something like this-
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzv2R3gUhks[/ame]
 
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I agree with everything TWA posted above. I believe MN is laying the foundation for Judge P. to be able to deny giving the Defense any MORE documents on the TES searchers, other than the (32) TES searchers who searched within 50 yards of where Caylee's remains were found.

Judge P. WILL allow the Defense to review the 4,000 documents on TES searchers, with a Special Magistrate monitoring the process, and will allow the defense to take notes, and flag any documents that they want to ask the Judge to allow them to have MORE info on.

MN said the Defense has flagged documents of searchers who searched within 300 yards (3 football fields) and as far away as 8 miles.

I believe that Judge P. will deny access to any more info on any TES searchers who were searching further away than 50 yards of where Caylee's remains were found (which is the (32) people who have already been pulled and their info given to the defense).

I believe MN does an excellent job of laying out all the facts and background history of this matter, so the Judge can make an educated decision about future requests by the defense.

MN is asking the Judge to quash his own Order, but I don't believe MN believes that will happen - MN just needed to get all the facts into the record. Sorta like MN knows that if you give the Defense an inch, they will take a mile. MN is looking ahead to the next ridiculous, bad faith request by the defense in regards to more TES searchers' information. MN is giving the Judge a heads up, so the Judge will know exactly what the defense is trying to do.

Judge P. is VERY WISE. He will do what is necessary to allow the defense to have what they are entitled to, and not allow there to be any appeal issues.
 
  • #575
I guess this may all hinge on whether NJ files his bad faith motion before JB sets up a date to look at the files. They have never been in any particular rush before and I think it's a good bet that NJ files his motion before JB gets a chance to look at the files.

MN has now filed his bad faith motion, as of July 22, 2010.
MN may try to get a Hearing on his bad faith motion before the defense reviews the 4,000 docs (again).
I think Judge P. will swiftly deny MN's motion to quash the Judge's Order, because the defense must be allowed to look at all 4,000 records and select the ones they want the Judge to look at.
The defense will go ahead and look at the 4,000 records, flag the ones they want more info on, the Special Mag will show them to Judge P. and Judge P. will decide if the defense gets more info on more searchers, or not.
Done and done! No appeal issues.
 
  • #576
BBM

I just read the Order. I really believe the issue of note taking was stipulated to at sidebar. That was a long sidebar so they had to be negotiating about something, probably at the urging of Judge Perry.

MN has a Aug. 2nd deadline to file the bad faith motion. The deadline for the document review is Aug. 25th.

In paragraph 6 of the Order: "after the Court's review of said motion a hearing will be set."
In paragraph 5 of the Order: "An in camera review of said documents will not be scheduled until the motion, referenced below in paragraph 6, is filed and addressed"

I have a hunch that the basis of MN's bad faith motion is going to address malicious motive and intent (i.e., "fishing expedition"). He will probably reference the instances mentioned (failure to communicate/return calls/schedule, sending The Presentation Group, etc...) to support his argument of bad faith. So, though the document review may take place, Judge Perry is not going to allow an "in camera" review until he has considered MN's bad faith motion. IOW, HHJP is not going to look at the docs and say, "you can have this one, but not this guy", before he hears MN's argument.

Judge Perry's interpretation of "in the vicinity" is going to a BIG DEAL, imho.

The Order

Thank you for your very helpful analysis!
I agree - it is going to boil down to what Judge P says is "close proximity" of where Caylee's remains were found. Will the Judge agree with the Defense that 300 yards (3 football fields) or 8 miles away is "close"? Or, will the Judge agree with TES/MN that 50 yards is "close"?

MN's point is that no matter what measurement is used -- NONE of the TES searchers got near Caylee's remains because of the ground conditions. So, technically, none of the TES searcher records are relevant to the Defense.
 
  • #577
I really want to read MN's motion re: bad faith. He can't be asking to change the doc review plan if he agreed to the plan (which it appears he did). Maybe he's asking for sanctions.
 
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7 Months and 27 days...............................

Poetry, artistry, and perfection.

Once again........That's a motion!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #580
It appears that MN is asking the Judge to throw out his entire Order regarding the review of the TES documents. MN is saying that the Defense does not need ANY of the records because they have agreed that the area around Caylee's remains was impassable at the time.

I'm sure the Judge will not throw out or alter his Order, but at least MN got all the facts on the record, and makes it more likely that the Judge will not give the defense access to any more than the (32) searcher's documents.
 
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