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  • #681
I'm actually wondering if this hasn't effectively nullified pretty much ALL of the privilege that the A's had with MN? I mean once an attorney has to start defending himself in public from clear mis-truths coming from a client, does not that pretty much open up the whole can of worms?

And if it has eliminated any such privilege, can the SA now interview him? Can he be called to testify on things that he may have observed? particularly if they involve the charges against KC, and not anything incriminating towards CA or GA? if nothing else, could he now be used as a rebuttal witness against CA and GA?

Excellent point. Someone needs to keep CA away from the computer, pen, paper and sew her mouth shut for the next 9 months. She is her own worst enemy. Wouldn't we all love to know what MN knows???? jmo
 
  • #682
Excellent point. Someone needs to keep CA away from the computer, pen, paper and sew her mouth shut for the next 9 months. She is her own worst enemy. Wouldn't we all love to know what MN knows???? jmo
I do believe we do know. It just hasn't been confirmed yet!
 
  • #683
Excellent point. Someone needs to keep CA away from the computer, pen, paper and sew her mouth shut for the next 9 months. She is her own worst enemy. Wouldn't we all love to know what MN knows???? jmo

Actually looking at it again, and reading through all of those exibits I have a few more questions and thoughts.

- OK not only am I wondering if this didn't blow away the A's attorney client privilege with MN... what does this do to it with regards to Brad Conway? I mean there are obviously private communications between BC and CA in JB's filing? There are references to and possibly false hearsay claims involving events and actions of which BC was a first person direct participant, and for which he can be called for the truth of the matter. All of the claims regarding the waiver and his being allowed to search the files and such. Since CA obviously had direct discussions with a third party JB, concerning GC's actions on their behalf, does that not now open him up to cross examination, both by Mr. Nejame, and by the SA? Or am I overreaching here?

- JB added a rather nasty and scandalous series of e-mails as an exibit, that clearly show him sending all of this to the news media. AND THIS WAS A RESPONSE TO A MOTION OF BAD FAITH!?!?!?! I mean the entirety of the motion is just mindblowing? But Exibit C is simply the worst. I don't think MN has to actually make an oral argument. He simply has to submit this entire filing as plaintiff exibit A, and say 'see! this is what I am talking about!". I mean really in this instance MN should consider paying JB for doing all of this hard work for him. :woohoo::waitasec:

- One of his exibits is a badly typed, unsigned, unnotarized statement, not under oath of any sort, from someone who is not his client, and is rather a prior client of the opposing council. Oooo! That's gonna work out well! :waitasec:

- He sends what is now a state paid investigator for the defense to investigate the supposed "book deal" of MN. Not only is this a horrible horrible act of bad faith in and of itself (imagine the stink if MN had sent investigators to look into those ABC deals with JB, on TES's dime?) But the document attached causes all sorts of issues for JB. Yeah, while Mr. Lohr's statements do indicate that MN was looking to write a book down the road. His statements also seem to reflect that said book was A. centered on TES involvement in the case, B. was going to support a charitable organization TES (so no direct profit motive for MN), and C. leaves the impression that yes, the A's were aware of any said book from the word go, and that it was likely part of their compensation deal for MN's services. Remember he did not enter into an arrangement with them Pro Bono. Further while it is incredibly illegal and unethical for a criminal defense lawyer to enter into any sort of contingency deal in Florida (gee wonder how JB got past that one?) it is perfectly legal, ethical and acceptable to do so for civil matters, such as press representation. So he is hauling another lawyers compensation deals out in public in order to argue against his bad faith actions? Oh my? Isn't that a huge huge nono among lawyers? :nono: You don't get involved in another lawyers compensation? I seem to recall there was some shock earlier when the SA had the temerity to ask about JB's dealings?

- Oh but wait. That signed affidavit from Mr. Lohr. It gets better. Read it. While it introduces a potential book deal with MN, it does huge damage to one of the core elements of the defenses case. Mr. Lohr was an on site first person witness on Suburban drive on the days that TES went to search it. He is a corroborating witness for everything that TES and the state have said about the search conditions, and TES not being able to search because of water. He tells the exact same story that is documented in the TES search reports and TM's testimony. This is a witness that the SA may not have even been aware of, and was certainly not on their witness lists. Since he was located and interviewed by the defense he is one that they would not have known about. His statement would not necessarily have been discoverable (the defense does not have to turn over evidence that proves the states case, that they discover)... UNTIL JB SUBMITTED IT IN A NONSENSE FILING!!! The only signed, sworn document in this filing, is the one that shoots down his primary defense theory in flames, and further disproves the initial arguments he makes in the filing itself. Am I missing something here? Is there some actual legal methodology or strategy behind this filing? Is there something brilliant here that I am just not seeing? or is it really this bad? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
  • #684
Actually looking at it again, and reading through all of those exibits I have a few more questions and thoughts.

- OK not only am I wondering if this didn't blow away the A's attorney client privilege with MN... what does this do to it with regards to Brad Conway? I mean there are obviously private communications between BC and CA in JB's filing? There are references to and possibly false hearsay claims involving events and actions of which BC was a first person direct participant, and for which he can be called for the truth of the matter. All of the claims regarding the waiver and his being allowed to search the files and such. Since CA obviously had direct discussions with a third party JB, concerning GC's actions on their behalf, does that not now open him up to cross examination, both by Mr. Nejame, and by the SA? Or am I overreaching here?

- JB added a rather nasty and scandalous series of e-mails as an exibit, that clearly show him sending all of this to the news media. AND THIS WAS A RESPONSE TO A MOTION OF BAD FAITH!?!?!?! I mean the entirety of the motion is just mindblowing? But Exibit C is simply the worst. I don't think MN has to actually make an oral argument. He simply has to submit this entire filing as plaintiff exibit A, and say 'see! this is what I am talking about!". I mean really in this instance MN should consider paying JB for doing all of this hard work for him. :woohoo::waitasec:

- One of his exibits is a badly typed, unsigned, unnotarized statement, not under oath of any sort, from someone who is not his client, and is rather a prior client of the opposing council. Oooo! That's gonna work out well! :waitasec:

- He sends what is now a state paid investigator for the defense to investigate the supposed "book deal" of MN. Not only is this a horrible horrible act of bad faith in and of itself (imagine the stink if MN had sent investigators to look into those ABC deals with JB, on TES's dime?) But the document attached causes all sorts of issues for JB. Yeah, while Mr. Lohr's statements do indicate that MN was looking to write a book down the road. His statements also seem to reflect that said book was A. centered on TES involvement in the case, B. was going to support a charitable organization TES (so no direct profit motive for MN), and C. leaves the impression that yes, the A's were aware of any said book from the word go, and that it was likely part of their compensation deal for MN's services. Remember he did not enter into an arrangement with them Pro Bono. Further while it is incredibly illegal and unethical for a criminal defense lawyer to enter into any sort of contingency deal in Florida (gee wonder how JB got past that one?) it is perfectly legal, ethical and acceptable to do so for civil matters, such as press representation. So he is hauling another lawyers compensation deals out in public in order to argue against his bad faith actions? Oh my? Isn't that a huge huge nono among lawyers? :nono: You don't get involved in another lawyers compensation? I seem to recall there was some shock earlier when the SA had the temerity to ask about JB's dealings?

- Oh but wait. That signed affidavit from Mr. Lohr. It gets better. Read it. While it introduces a potential book deal with MN, it does huge damage to one of the core elements of the defenses case. Mr. Lohr was an on site first person witness on Suburban drive on the days that TES went to search it. He is a corroborating witness for everything that TES and the state have said about the search conditions, and TES not being able to search because of water. He tells the exact same story that is documented in the TES search reports and TM's testimony. This is a witness that the SA may not have even been aware of, and was certainly not on their witness lists. Since he was located and interviewed by the defense he is one that they would not have known about. His statement would not necessarily have been discoverable (the defense does not have to turn over evidence that proves the states case, that they discover)... UNTIL JB SUBMITTED IT IN A NONSENSE FILING!!! The only signed, sworn document in this filing, is the one that shoots down his primary defense theory in flames, and further disproves the initial arguments he makes in the filing itself. Am I missing something here? Is there some actual legal methodology or strategy behind this filing? Is there something brilliant here that I am just not seeing? or is it really this bad? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:


Brilliant Post FaeFrost! It never crossed my mind that Lohr is a potential state witness!

I'm of the it's really bad opinion!
 
  • #685
faefrost: I want to say it's really bad but I don't think JB is done yet. Can he top this....??? I'll bet he can. So what is CM doing during all of this???? Is he like "Precious Pup" and laughing behind his hands?????

Can't speak for anyone else but I'd like to thank JB for providing me with a priceless education. It's so much easier to remember when someone shows you how NOT to do it. LOL jmo
 
  • #686
First, just let me say FANTASTIC post! Great points made, faefrost. :clap:

-- respectfully snipped; BBM

Actually looking at it again, and reading through all of those exibits I have a few more questions and thoughts.

- OK not only am I wondering if this didn't blow away the A's attorney client privilege with MN... what does this do to it with regards to Brad Conway? I mean there are obviously private communications between BC and CA in JB's filing? There are references to and possibly false hearsay claims involving events and actions of which BC was a first person direct participant, and for which he can be called for the truth of the matter. All of the claims regarding the waiver and his being allowed to search the files and such. Since CA obviously had direct discussions with a third party JB, concerning GC's actions on their behalf, does that not now open him up to cross examination, both by Mr. Nejame, and by the SA? Or am I overreaching here?

Ahhh...I see exactly what you are saying, but I am hesitant to think it will ' blow away' any right the Anthony's have in re. attorney-client privilege in re. Nejame or Conway. I don't think the Court would take away that right just because Baez decided to include these docs as exhibits to a response. (I know, I know...the A's had to know it, but....) That privilege is SO sacred...Just from my experience, I have never seen it overruled. That doesn't mean it can't happen, I've just never seen it. Hopefully AZ or another atty. will drop by and chime in.

Help me out here: who is GC again? :waitasec:

- JB added a rather nasty and scandalous series of e-mails as an exibit, that clearly show him sending all of this to the news media. AND THIS WAS A RESPONSE TO A MOTION OF BAD FAITH!?!?!?! I mean the entirety of the motion is just mindblowing? But Exibit C is simply the worst. I don't think MN has to actually make an oral argument. He simply has to submit this entire filing as plaintiff exibit A, and say 'see! this is what I am talking about!". I mean really in this instance MN should consider paying JB for doing all of this hard work for him. :woohoo::waitasec:

JB certainly didn't do CA any favors by including her email where she expresses her disdain for Morgan and calls him a drunk. Somehow, I just don't picture him taking that lying down. :innocent: If she thought he was trouble before, she ain't seen nothing yet.

- He sends what is now a state paid investigator for the defense to investigate the supposed "book deal" of MN.

This particularly made me crazy mad. :furious: I pray that JAC refuses to pay those expenses. They may get away with it ONLY because the investigator asked a few questions about what he saw when he was there during the TES search, but sending him there just a few days ago, right before filing this reponse the REAL INTENTIONS are obvious behind this timely 'visit'.

- Oh but wait. That signed affidavit from Mr. Lohr. It gets better. Read it. While it introduces a potential book deal with MN, it does huge damage to one of the core elements of the defenses case. Mr. Lohr was an on site first person witness on Suburban drive on the days that TES went to search it. He is a corroborating witness for everything that TES and the state have said about the search conditions, and TES not being able to search because of water. He tells the exact same story that is documented in the TES search reports and TM's testimony. This is a witness that the SA may not have even been aware of, and was certainly not on their witness lists. Since he was located and interviewed by the defense he is one that they would not have known about. His statement would not necessarily have been discoverable (the defense does not have to turn over evidence that proves the states case, that they discover)... UNTIL JB SUBMITTED IT IN A NONSENSE FILING!!! The only signed, sworn document in this filing, is the one that shoots down his primary defense theory in flames, and further disproves the initial arguments he makes in the filing itself. Am I missing something here? Is there some actual legal methodology or strategy behind this filing? Is there something brilliant here that I am just not seeing? or is it really this bad? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

ITA and supports my reference in re. the defense's intentions by sending him there.

No, you're not missing anything. I swear it seems every single person remotely related to the defense has gone off their rockers lately. I have never seen anything like it. It is clear as a bell that Baez and Cheney absolutely detest (ok..hate) Mark Nejame. That is ALL this is about, imo. It doesn't really have a thing to do with protecting the rights of their client or trying to insure a not guilty verdict.
 
  • #687
Reading this almost sent me into labor. Wow. In one legal filing, Jose:

-insults MN's intelligence (first paragraph)
-indirectly accuses TES of not searching for Caylee, by putting the word "search" in quotation marks.
-cites a YOUTUBE link as evidence
-includes personal emails full of personal attacks as evidence
-outs himself as having leaked personal emails to the media
-shows how he is spending taxpayer money to investigate MN personally.
-even uses an exclamation point in his legal document. Who does that???
-makes absolutely no legal arguments or responses to anything.

How is this even allowed? Is this a joke? Perry HAS to address this, no? I'm being serious and hope someone can answer.
 
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But wasn't MN's motion addressing issues involving his client, whereas JB was addressing personal issues he has with MN which has nothing to do with MN's motion? Not sure the judge is really interested in JB's personal issues with MN. And why would they be paying a PI to investigate MN's conversation with a writer? I am really, really surprised the writer would discuss any conversations he had with an attorney about a business matter with a third party even if it actually did happen. That part is strange.

Funny how people look at things. I have lost an item and looked, looked, looked for long periods of time only to find it in the exact place I had previous looked for it numerous times before. Just because someone did not find the remains does not mean they were not there and had been placed there right before they were found. You will never convince a jury that this would be so. LE had to dig to recover some of the bone fragments. Bones just do not bury themselves in the ground within a few short weeks. Also chew marks would have come from when the body was decomposing. This theory will not hold up with the forensic reports presented at court. jmo
Just finished reading the motion and have to say...it's more whiny dribble. I have no idea why the heck he dragged all of his "issues" into this mess except to show that MN must be making JB's life miserable.

PS- never heard that the As recanted their "waiver". They might have wanted to clue in their attorney about that one. I'm having trouble getting the exhibits to load. Did Jose provide proof of that? And...besides...what the heck does that have to do with providing TES records?

So do ya think the defense gets all of their info from the internet?
 
  • #690
Brilliant Post FaeFrost! It never crossed my mind that Lohr is a potential state witness!

I'm of the it's really bad opinion!

Boy oh boy! JB sure has a habit of shooting himself in the foot.
I hope the SA has already scheduled a deposition with David Lohr, he will be a valuable witness to prove the area was under water.
Kudos to faefrost for bringing this up.
 
  • #691
Reading this almost sent me into labor. Wow. In one legal filing, Jose:

-insults MN's intelligence (first paragraph)
-indirectly accuses TES of not searching for Caylee, by putting the word "search" in quotation marks.
-cites a YOUTUBE link as evidence
-includes personal emails full of personal attacks as evidence
-outs himself as having leaked personal emails to the media
-shows how he is spending taxpayer money to investigate MN personally.
-even uses an exclamation point in his legal document. Who does that???
-makes absolutely no legal arguments or responses to anything.

How is this even allowed? Is this a joke? Perry HAS to address this, no? I'm being serious and hope someone can answer.

And the ultimate irony of it all. All of this is in a motion in response to a motion that the defense has been acting in BAD FAITH with regards to witnesses and their attorneys.

While probably all but irrelevant to the actual murder case, the hearing for this one is going to be quite entertaining.
 
  • #692
Excellent point. Someone needs to keep CA away from the computer, pen, paper and sew her mouth shut for the next 9 months. She is her own worst enemy. Wouldn't we all love to know what MN knows???? jmo
LC...I was just thinking the same thing. This woman needs to get a real job. She just lets things fester, and fester, and fester. IMO she's h&ll bent on holding on to the anger so she doesn't have to deal with what's really at issue...her granddaughter is dead and in all likelihood her own daughter is responsible. She is truly out of control.
 
  • #693
If it's true that Nejame is shopping a book around, I'm very disappointed. We'd crucify any defense member who did the same thing.

Blaise
 
  • #694
Just finished reading the motion and have to say...it's more whiny dribble. I have no idea why the heck he dragged all of his "issues" into this mess except to show that MN must be making JB's life miserable.

PS- never heard that the As recanted their 'waiver". They might have wanted to clue in their attorney about that one. I'm having trouble getting the exhibits to load. Did Jose provide proof of that? And...besides...what the heck does that have to do with providing TES records?

So do ya think the defense gets all of their info from the internet?

BBM

Exhibit B: http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...9_ExhibitB.pdf


That was the whole point of my earlier post.

CA/GA withdraw the waiver of conflict.
MN says you cannot recant.
JB puts it in his motion.

To me recant means past tense (retroactive) do over. Like it never happened.
Withdraw means as of now I donwanna play. I asked on the legal thread but did not get an answer yet.
 
  • #695
PS- never heard that the As recanted their 'waiver". They might have wanted to clue in their attorney about that one. I'm having trouble getting the exhibits to load. Did Jose provide proof of that? And...besides...what the heck does that have to do with providing TES records?

So do ya think the defense gets all of their info from the internet?

*snipped* & BBM

1) That waiver still stands. The A's wanted to rescind it, but no can do, unless MN agrees. And MN says, "nope". So, no, Jose doesn't have proof 'cause it doesn't exist.

2) The exhibits are PRICELESS! Keep trying!

3) Absoultely nothing.

And the ultimate irony of it all. All of this is in a motion in response to a motion that the defense has been acting in BAD FAITH with regards to witnesses and their attorneys.

While probably all but irrelevant to the actual murder case, the hearing for this one is going to be quite entertaining.

Judge Strickland won't let us forget him. JB is constantly reminding me, "The irony is rich. Indeed".
 
  • #696
Faefrost, thanks to you and Beach also for your ability to read a legal document, interpret it, and give the kind of commentary you do - much appreciated. It sounds like hog hooey to me, but since I don't know the legal ins and outs what you do is invaluable.

All I can say is Lawdy lawdy Miz Claudy - ain't we got fun!

I'm kind of wondering if JB put a note in his daytimer to do an idiotic thing at least once a day that hits the news. I'd honestly hoped CM would act like a mature seasoned force in the background for Baez to at least run things by - but in fact he seems to be worse, not better.:waitasec:

Maybe we could write to Lyon(s) and beg her to come back just to make sure this case actually goes ahead in nine months.:banghead:
 
  • #697
If it's true that Nejame is shopping a book around, I'm very disappointed. We'd crucify any defense member who did the same thing.

Blaise

It's an Apples and Oranges comparrisson. It is unbelievably illegal or unethical for a criminal defense attorney to do this. It is perfectly valid for a civil attorney to do it however.

In Florida a Criminal defense Attorney cannot accept contingency payments for services. He cannot agree to be paid based on the outcome, or even worse be paid based on something like a book deal. A defense attorney must be paid up front with an exchange of something of current value. Money, property, etc. The simple reason for this is it then immediately insures that the attorneys needs and interests are taken care of at the beginning, so all subsequent actions are entirely in the clients interests. Take this case as an example. Since the defense payment scheme is so highly questionable. The defense was being funded by media deals with ABC and others. So who exactly where all of these press conferences and pre trial publicity serving? the defendant KC? or the lawyers who would get paid more if the case was more infamous and publicized? Does all that media attention serve the defendant or the attorneys?

Whereas MN's deal with the A's is a civil arrangement, not criminal. Civil activities are commonly taken and funded on contingency basis's. It's perfectly legal and ethical. MN did not work for the A's pro bono. We have long wondered how they afforded him. Granting him book rights is a perfectly valid mechanism for doing that.
 
  • #698
*snipped* & BBM

1) That waiver still stands. The A's wanted to rescind it, but no can do, unless MN agrees. And MN says, "nope". So, no, Jose doesn't have proof 'cause it doesn't exist.

2) The exhibits are PRICELESS! Keep trying!

3) Absoultely nothing.



Judge Strickland won't let us forget him. JB is constantly reminding me, "The irony is rich. Indeed".

Thats a whole new word. HAHAHAHA
 
  • #699
BBM

Exhibit B: http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...9_ExhibitB.pdf


That was the whole point of my earlier post.

CA/GA withdraw the waiver of conflict.
MN says you cannot recant.
JB puts it in his motion.

To me recant means past tense (retroactive) do over. Like it never happened.
Withdraw means as of now I donwanna play. I asked on the legal thread but did not get an answer yet.

He should have used the word rescind. Meaning to nullify...void...the original agreement.

The A's would have to file a motion to do that. They can't just sign a waiver and then decide later on, "I've changed my mind. I don't think I want to agree to that anymore." MN has done a ton of work for TES now and that waiver is not going to be voided, imo.
 
  • #700
If it's true that Nejame is shopping a book around, I'm very disappointed. We'd crucify any defense member who did the same thing.

Blaise

According to the guy they interviewed in NY (potential ghost writer) he plans on donating 50% of the proceeds to Texas Equusearch. It's okay by me.

Wonder if the A's donated some of their CBS loot to their OWN charity...

I get where you're coming from Blaise, but the truth is - books are going to be written by nearly everyone involved in this case when all is said and done. The only ones I am thinking may not pen a book are those with the SA office.
 
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