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Tim Miller on Watts Up with This from Sunday, Sept. 19, 2010

Tim Miller discusses ICA case and Holloway Case:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this

Excellent program!! Tim is the only guest and sounds so relaxed, talks about alot - from NH case to Caylee's case. He even talks about how he is still actively working on his daughter Laura's case!
Way to go Steph!!
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Two thumbs up for this program and please have Tim on again!!
 
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Wait. Whoa. Hold the phone. This is dated Feb 26 2010. It says these additional records were just recently obtained when OCSO members went to Texas to interview Tim.

I missed something. When and why did OCSO members go to Texas and interview Tim?

Anybody have a link handy that 'splains it? I've been busy with Gabriel Johnson and although I keep reading here to keep up, it looks like this slipped by me.

ETA: Could this be the evidence the State is holding?

Interview released on September 21, 2010
 
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Wait. Whoa. Hold the phone. This is dated Feb 26 2010. It says these additional records were just recently obtained when OCSO members went to Texas to interview Tim.

I missed something. When and why did OCSO members go to Texas and interview Tim?

Anybody have a link handy that 'splains it? I've been busy with Gabriel Johnson and although I keep reading here to keep up, it looks like this slipped by me.

ETA: Could this be the evidence the State is holding?

The property receipt is dated 12/11/2009 and says sealed and entered 1/15/10.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/55132902/Casey-Anthony-Laura-Buchanan-case-documents

They went because of the motion filed for all the TES records, this may help: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5624625&postcount=86"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2010.09.21 Doc release: Interview - Joe Jordan[/ame]
 
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Unless and until you have proof ( a link at least ) of some impropriety, please do not anyone engage in discussing names of TES volunteers in any sentences that disparage or question their motives. That is wholly misguided. A Texas Equusearch volunteer is a Texas Equusearch volunteer , period. A conflict of interest is a term used to describe the situation in which a public official or fiduciary, a lawyer for example, who, contrary to the obligation and absolute duty to act for the benefit of the public or a designated individual, exploits the relationship for personal benefit. The volunteer is in no such position, real or imagined and should not be accused.

Many, many, many times folks perform a variety of tasks for Texas Equusearch, there is so very much that goes into what the organization does. The actual searching through the woods or doing a dive or searching trash dump sites is one part, of course. Also there are many other duties the volunteers preform. Some come in from the searches and sit down at the computer who are experts in many fields, engineers, military personnel, doctors, from wealthy people to people that don't have a dime to their names, you would be amazed at the wide variety of walks of life, experience, etc. etc. There is nothing nefarious about one of them volunteering to sit with the defense lawyers while they review the documents. Any and all work done for TES, including the lone volunteer lady in the Texas office is done by a volunteer.

Saying there is a conflict of interest makes no sense, whatsoever. Respectfully, whoever thought that has a very poor understanding of what c o i means.

I am not surprised, if one has been listening to the defense lawyers in this case. Three times ,that I know of ,one of the lawyers for Casey stood and argued in court that Mark Nejame had a conflict of interest for representing TES after having resigned from representing mom and pop. All three times that was a lie. Not only does no conflict of interest exist, but he has in his file a SIGNED WAIVER OF CONFLICT, just for perfunctory reasons. Brad Conway corrected them and informed the judge that is not true, there is no conflict, and his clients certainly are NOT asserting any such thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8Y2rzldmA

Unless and until someone has some conclusive evidence of some wrongdoing, I respectfully request that we refrain from any implication that the Texas Equusearch member has done anything that should be considered potentially shady. That is not what we do here, make wholly unfounded accusations against innocent people. A volunteer performing more than one type of task for the organization ......how in the world could that be a conflict of interest? Of whose interest? Go to any free law library and look up the definition for clarity. It is nonsense like this that is what Mr. Miller is trying to protect his volunteers from, being accused and their good names being disparaged for no reason whatsoever!!!! It is outrageous.

If you listen carefully, you will see the judge made things better for the prosecution in this case regarding his ruling on the TES records, much better. This judge is concerned with a trial that has no appeal issues. He has cleared that path.

To be clear, the defense won nothing . The only thing the judge did was make it to where they are all out of excuses. A retired judge is going to sit in with them. THE DEFENSE LAWYERS ARE NOT LEAVING THAT ROOM WITH THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF ALL OF THE TES VOLUNTEERS. That is the only thing TES was trying to avoid. There is no problem at all having a judge tag documents for them. Mrs. Drane-Burdick and Mr. Conway were able to tag their own. Since this process is somehow outside of the skill set of Mr. Baez and Mr. Cheney, or is confusing to them in some manner, they have expressed to the judge they cannot do it. So now they have a judge ( who will be beyond reproach, this removes possible appeal problems ) helping them understand how to tag documents.

TES knows it has the proof that the exact area Caylee was found in was under water. The State knows it has the proof of how long she was there due to the plant growth. Let the defense look at all the other areas around Orlando that volunteers searched, we want them to. It is about damn time they are finally doing so.

At the end of the day the judge wants them to search the records from top to bottom and set out the ones they wish to have the trial judge decide if they are relevant. This is the exact same opportunity they have always had. They still cannot copy the documents and bring them back to their office. Judge Strickland told them they could review all of the documents LAST YEAR. They feigned an inability to do so. The slight difference now is they can take notes. OK. So what?

Check out Brad Conway letting the court know in JANUARY of 2009, that what was just argued by the defense in that morning's hearing is incorrect. His clients specifically waive any would be conflict. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aijyVQuLVEA Obviously the defense didn't bother to check with mom and pop what their position was. Too too funny. My point is just because you hear Jose or Cheney say something is no indication it is correct. So, IN COURT, the court was notified in January there is no conflict. What does Todd take to the podium and say to the judge in August....guess...he claims Mr. Nejame has a conflict of interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LsKP77ycw , later Andrea did the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IrzGBLLjg

(four minute mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYXZ_GSPyk0 You just can't make this stuff up!!!!
No document is leaving that location except through the retired judge's hands. He will take them to Judge Perry to determine relevance. This is wonderful for Caylee's justice; because, it moves the ball down the court, and at the same time the identity and personal cell phone information of the volunteers will not be copied and released to the public.

Of course, the 911 calls coming into the trial is HUGE. Any juror hearing the sheer panic in Cindy Anthony's voice is going to be effected by the truth.

The fact that a judge will be watching over the defense lawyers, simply ads another layer of protection for the privacy of the TES workers. Much like when Jose asked the court to let the experts and defense view the evidence on their own, outside of the OCSD staff......

what the defense actually got was MORE scrutiny, now not only are they removed any excuse that they were hindered in looking at the docs, now they have a judge who can testify that they had unfettered access, and this will remove ANY claims they make to the contrary, going forward. This is much like be careful what you wish for. In my earlier example, the defense walked out of the hearing with not only the OCSD staff indeed going to be present, but the State Attorney's office staff going to be present, and it was videotaped. Judge Perry is focused on removing ANY possible claim that the defense did not have a fair opportunity to properly defend Casey, any!

What the judge did regarding the TES records is set it up to where the defense has no, zero , excuse not to get on with what they could have done a year ago, and make it impossible for anything regarding this matter to be an appeal issue. The prosecution is happy about this development. One must think of big picture, appeal issue, appeal issue, appeal issue. If you listen carefully when Judge Perry rules, you will notice a pattern, he quotes from Supreme Court decisions, where appeals have been decided upon. Indeed.


As for any TES volunteer, God bless them for volunteering, in any capacity that they can and do. They have my abiding appreciation. May good people who can afford to, continue to ask for time off work, purchase plane tickets, bug spray, and boots and continue to search, in all conditions, for these murdered children who in the words of Tim Miller "Deserve a proper burial".

I want to thank everyone who donates to TES.
Mr. Miller very often adds his own money "Just to keep the doors open". It has been a long hard struggle fighting the defense, and meanwhile TES is asked frequently to help with other cases. Unfortunately Caylee is not the only child missing in America, or worse yet, missing and murdered. The work of TES is never done!
www.texasequusearch.org

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This is the week the defense is finally going to be in a room with the retired judge and Texas Equusearch to go through the files. Finally!!!!I trust Mr. Miller will be relieved when this is behind them since the defense has stalled and protracted the legal battle for so very long. He said in over a thousand searches he has never been treated so poorly.

We'll see if Cheney can get this done with the same enthusiasm he does his speed deposing of the law enforcement officers. Especially since in the recent hearing he was complaining that he has another trial going on currently and so does Jose.

God bless all of you this week as you get your defense phone calls. However tempted and offended I may be I will try not to say anything that wouldn't be worthy of little baby Caylee.

View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf
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God bless this dear, sweet great grandfather who misses his visits from Caylee. I know I will remember his humming "You Are My Sunshine" to her , for the rest of my life. Now he sings it only in his heart, while Caylee sings with the Angels.
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This is so perfect. The defense was trying to hide their hopeful fishing trip under the guise of real work. HHJP granted them all the work (can you imagine trying to call 4,000 people?) and stripped them of all the ability to fish.

Now, do you think they're really going to try to call/contact all those searchers? Just in case they do, I would like to have my script ready too. Any suggestions? :D

Judge Strickland in a hearing , speaking to Jose Baez, "This is where posturing can get you in trouble".
You are so right ...4K....they better bring a hundred interns, coffee and a timer. With the retired judge there we know they will be forved to get serious and get down to business at last.
 
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Could a TES volunteer who is called by defense just say "I was not on Suburban Drive and I have nothing of value to contribute. Thank you." and hang up and not answer questions???? Obviously if someone from the defense team calls you they will want you to answer some questions. Where can volunteers draw the line when they feel they are being harassed?
 
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Could a TES volunteer who is called by defense just say "I was not on Suburban Drive and I have nothing of value to contribute. Thank you." and hang up and not answer questions???? Obviously if someone from the defense team calls you they will want you to answer some questions. Where can volunteers draw the line when they feel they are being harassed?

That is a dang good question. All I know is, if I were a TES searcher, I'd have my lawyer on speed dial for when the defense calls me. There is no level they won't go to to find something, anything, to deflect away from Casey.

And yeah, good luck Baez and Mason, you're going to need it to get through all 4,000 of those records! I'm loving that they're doing this on a Monday. I hope they have LOTS of bad luck.
 
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Could a TES volunteer who is called by defense just say "I was not on Suburban Drive and I have nothing of value to contribute. Thank you." and hang up and not answer questions???? Obviously if someone from the defense team calls you they will want you to answer some questions. Where can volunteers draw the line when they feel they are being harassed?

The Defense must follow an agreed upon script.

Joint Stipulation and Order Regarding Defense Review of TES Documents
released Sept 14, 2010
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in Possession of Texas Equusearch.pdf

signed Sept 9, 2010
only signed by Mason (not Baez)

excerpts:

C. That the Defense shall be permitted to have its representative(s) conduct a review of all searcher files. Any individuals who are contained in the various searcher files may be permitted to be telephoned but only in front of the TES representative, its counsel and the Magistrate, for the sole purpose of asking the searcher:

Were you involved in any search, involving or not involving TES, in the Suburban Drive area? If the answer is in the negative, then no further questions will be asked and the call terminated. If the answer is in the positive, then the following questions will be permitted to be asked:

1. If such a search occurred, when did the search occur,
2. If such a search occurred, was it a part of TES or done independently,
3. If such a search occurred, who was involved in the search with them,
4. If such a search occurred, an inquiry would be made as to what was observed and what occurred during the search at or near the Suburban Drive area.


D. In the event after the above questions are asked, the Defense determines that further investigation or questioning is appropriate, then the search field activity form of the identified searcher shall be released to the Defense so they may conduct their further investigation as they may deem appropriate.
 
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The Defense must follow an agreed upon script.

Joint Stipulation and Order Regarding Defense Review of TES Documents
released Sept 14, 2010

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photo...the_Possession_of_Texas_Equusearch_Page_1.htm

signed Sept 9, 2010
only signed by Mason (not Baez)

excerpts:

C. That the Defense shall be permitted to have its representative(s) conduct a review of all searcher files. Any individuals who are contained in the various searcher files may be permitted to be telephoned but only in front of the TES representative, its counsel and the Magistrate, for the sole purpose of asking the searcher:

Were you involved in any search, involving or not involving TES, in the Suburban Drive area? If the answer is in the negative, then no further questions will be asked and the call terminated. If the answer is in the positive, then the following questions will be permitted to be asked:

1. If such a search occurred, when did the search occur,
2. If such a search occurred, was it a part of TES or done independently,
3. If such a search occurred, who was involved in the search with them,
4. If such a search occurred, an inquiry would be made as to what was observed and what occurred during the search at or near the Suburban Drive area.


D. In the event after the above questions are asked, the Defense determines that further investigation or questioning is appropriate, then the search field activity form of the identified searcher shall be released to the Defense so they may conduct their further investigation as they may deem appropriate.

Oh good! I didn't realize the script was so extensive like this! That makes me feel a LOT better. They can't just harass people, they have to follow this. Kind of ironic since Casey was claiming she was forced to follow a script from Zanny...
 
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excerpts:
C. That the Defense shall be permitted to have its representative(s) conduct a review of all searcher files. Any individuals who are contained in the various searcher files may be permitted to be telephoned but only in front of the TES representative, its counsel and the Magistrate, for the sole purpose of asking the searcher:

Oh good! I didn't realize the script was so extensive like this! That makes me feel a LOT better. They can't just harass people, they have to follow this. Kind of ironic since Casey was claiming she was forced to follow a script from Zanny...

I agree!
I also like the part of the Stipulation and Order that says the Defense can ONLY telephone the searchers IN FRONT OF the TES rep, TES lawyer, AND the Magistrate!!
 
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Jacqueline Fell, the CF13 reporter has tweeted that the defense has found some volunteers that searched on their own:

http://twitter.com/jfellive
 
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Jacqueline Fell, the CF13 reporter has tweeted that the defense has found some volunteers that searched on their own:

http://twitter.com/jfellive

Well of course they have...was there ever a question that they would find what they were looking for on this little fishing expedition. :dance: You know I'm being entirely sarcastic but the reality is, they know what they want, they want someone, anyone to say they searched that area and it was dry. It doesn't matter that the rest of the Universe says the earth is round...they are hell bent on finding that one person that will say it's flat.:banghead: or more specifically that while hundreds upon hundreds of searchers say that the area was underwater they want just a hand-full of searchers to say it wasn't, then they want the jury to believe the hand-full of people. :furious:
 
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I was wondering the same thing.

Even more :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:.....

Wonder if this little "leak" to reporter was pre-planned, regardless of what they "found"???

Didn't we read media articles either Friday or this weekend in reference to a "new witness" being found??????

Or was it something I read on another forum this weekend that was being "planted"????
 
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Even more :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:.....

Wonder if this little "leak" to reporter was pre-planned, regardless of what they "found"???

Didn't we read media articles either Friday or this weekend in reference to a "new witness" being found??????

Or was it something I read on another forum this weekend that was being "planted"????


I'm not sure about the "planted" people, I do remember seeing this article from Friday: http://www.wesh.com/news/25229491/detail.html


WESH has a video report from the courthouse about today's events, so maybe all the press is there and CF13 got the "scoop". The video report is in this article: http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25269056/detail.html
 
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The fact that some TES searchers also searched on their own comes as no surprise. Nowhere does it say that these "on their own" searches occurred along Suburban Drive, nor does it say that the searchers found the area to be dry.

Just the defense leaking a tidbit to make it seem that their look-see was justified.

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I'm not sure about the "planted" people, I do remember seeing this article from Friday: http://www.wesh.com/news/25229491/detail.html


WESH has a video report from the courthouse about today's events, so maybe all the press is there and CF13 got the "scoop". The video report is in this article: http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25269056/detail.html


That's the article I was referring to....thanks!!!!!

On the flipside, it would be illogical to imagine that the defense would tell the media on FRIDAY that they hoped to find a new witness on Monday...

Only to step out at the beginning of a lunch break and announce, "Nope....haven't found a new witness yet!" :woohoo:

What is interesting is that he just dropped this little hint, but did not elaborate on whether any of these "lone searchers" then responded as to whether or not the area was wet.....or WHEN they searched on their own.

Gonna be big media hoopla over this for the next couple of days by the defense....and then we will hear nothing else about these witnesses come trial time.....imho

Baez is postering.....again, imo
 
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