All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[Kentjbkent]

I didn't feel that worried this afternoon, now after reading some post from page 46 on a few on this thread I don't feel so good now. Not that I have anything that is good for them just being in this situation at all. I want justice for Caylee so what ever comes fine.

I never got any call warning me a call could come and I am certainly not in the 32 people specific to the actual burial spot. I had no idea of the scripted things and all that is involved with these calls. I would have fainted if I knew all that and then they call. I was just sure ask away.

Oh I got the call around 2pm in the afternoon and it lasted about 2-3 minutes.

FLA Mom and Any Other Volunteer who may be reading this thread.....

I can completely understand your apprehension after being contacted by the defense and hope this will help to ease your concerns....

In regards to this Record Review and Judge Perry's order,

TES is under Court Order

TES Monitor is under Court Order

Magistrate is under Court Order

Defense Team is under Court Order with Stipulations

The volunteers are NOT UNDER COURT ORDER

Any conversation they may engage in with a member of the defense team is strictly voluntary. Judge Perry did NOT issue any orders that stated any contacted volunteer MUST submit to the questioning of the defense, regardless of how the defense team may want to imply this.....

I think it is also important to point out that this is not a "free for all" for the defense. In corresponding with someone last night who is very well versed on this court order, after the Review is completed, there is yet another step that must be implimented before the defense can start contacting (harassing?) volunteers or sending investigators to their front door.

Once they have a compiled list (standing now at 50) of volunteers who "searched Suburban", it must be submitted to Judge Perry for his review and determination of which volunteers he feels could be relevant to the actual remains site, and will then order the release of additional records from TES.

At this point, any contact with a defense member or investigator will be completely at YOUR DISCRETION.

If and only if the defense is eventually able to secure a subpoena for deposition will you lose the right to speak or not, and I think JP will have stringent stipulations before agreeing to that.

I suspect just providing an answer that you searched Suburban Drive in general is not going to pass the inspection of Judge Perry.

I admire and thank you for your honesty yesterday when contacted by the defense. It spoke volumes in the quest of Justice for Caylee. If JP were to release additional information allowing the defense to further investigate, it will be at YOUR discretion as to whether you volunteer to meet with the defense. If you choose to do so, I would advise you answer honestly, to the best of your recollection, and with as short of answers as possible. No need to justify yourself and possibly give the defense something to twist.


Hope this helps somewhat. I completely understand how easy it is to get caught up in fear when you are surrounded by the manipulation of the defense using the media to imply that THEY have all the control and power right now.

It is simply not true (imo).

 

[Kentjbkent]

Casey Anthony's defense attorneys say they have new witnesses who may have searched the area where Caylee's remains were eventually found. They say it could prove someone other than Casey killed Caylee.

They're sorting through thousands of pages of documents belonging to the search group Texas EquuSearch.

"In about 2.5 hours, we discovered over 50 new witnesses who all the records said had not been on Suburban Drive. [And they] have just told us over the phone that they were," said Cheney Mason, Anthony attorney.
One of those witnesses could be key to proving the defense’s theory that Caylee's body was dumped a quarter of a mile from her home after her mother was arrested -- meaning someone else killed the toddler.
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This is exactly what I am referring to as manipulation throught the media by a defense team member (Mason is SO transparent....sheesh!)

I have not viewed any TES documents obviously, but I can take a pretty educated guess that at the time they were created, they were NOT notated as such:

Searched Airport Rd area.

Did not search Suburban Drive.

Did not search Blanchard Park.

So I seriously doubt that Mason's statement that "all the records said had not been on Suburban Drive" is a TRUE statement.

The records only reflected the particular area that a searcher was assigned to AS A VOLUNTEER FOR TES

 

[fla*mom]

it is my understanding that the search groups were small, probably on average no more than 10-15 people, and of course were spread out to cover a large area. No way were there 50 people on suburban. Could they have found 50 kooky people to say they were? Probably. Could they be lying to the media? My guess is most likely. After all, they aren't obligated to tell the media the truth about anything - and if it taints the potential jury pool at the same time - why not lie? And ITA with whoever made the "woodstock" comparison - right on point. MOO.

PLEASE don't say kooky people could say that they were. You know what I mean. Sure they could and not have been. I am still rattled by my phone call yesterday from CA's team so please bear with me if this sounds like I am kooky at the moment.

If TES said there were originally 32 people slated to search the area we now know was the burial spot I sure darn well believe him.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Report: Casey Anthony's lawyers review Texas EquuSearch documents today – find new searchers

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-texas-equusearch-20101004,0,2581070.story

Casey Anthony's lawyers reviewed thousands of Texas EquuSearch records at the Orange County courthouse today and said they found 100 names of people who searched in and around Suburban Drive soon after Caylee Marie Anthony went missing in mid-2008.

These are names, they say, that were not previously provided to the defense.

It's up to 100 names now? Is that even believable?

 

[Gnatcatcher]

FLA Mom and Any Other Volunteer who may be reading this thread.....

I can completely understand your apprehension after being contacted by the defense and hope this will help to ease your concerns....

In regards to this Record Review and Judge Perry's order,

TES is under Court Order

TES Monitor is under Court Order

Magistrate is under Court Order

Defense Team is under Court Order with Stipulations

The volunteers are NOT UNDER COURT ORDER

Any conversation they may engage in with a member of the defense team is strictly voluntary. Judge Perry did NOT issue any orders that stated any contacted volunteer MUST submit to the questioning of the defense, regardless of how the defense team may want to imply this.....

I think it is also important to point out that this is not a "free for all" for the defense. In corresponding with someone last night who is very well versed on this court order, after the Review is completed, there is yet another step that must be implimented before the defense can start contacting (harassing?) volunteers or sending investigators to their front door.

Once they have a compiled list (standing now at 50) of volunteers who "searched Suburban", it must be submitted to Judge Perry for his review and determination of which volunteers he feels could be relevant to the actual remains site, and will then order the release of additional records from TES.

At this point, any contact with a defense member or investigator will be completely at YOUR DISCRETION.

If and only if the defense is eventually able to secure a subpoena for deposition will you lose the right to speak or not, and I think JP will have stringent stipulations before agreeing to that.

I suspect just providing an answer that you searched Suburban Drive in general is not going to pass the inspection of Judge Perry.

I admire and thank you for your honesty yesterday when contacted by the defense. It spoke volumes in the quest of Justice for Caylee. If JP were to release additional information allowing the defense to further investigate, it will be at YOUR discretion as to whether you volunteer to meet with the defense. If you choose to do so, I would advise you answer honestly, to the best of your recollection, and with as short of answers as possible. No need to justify yourself and possibly give the defense something to twist.


Hope this helps somewhat. I completely understand how easy it is to get caught up in fear when you are surrounded by the manipulation of the defense using the media to imply that THEY have all the control and power right now.

It is simply not true (imo).

This is brilliant, thank you, it's exactly what I'd hoped somebody smart would write for FlaMom and the other searchers who may be WS members, and may be a bit frightened or taken aback by all this. Thanks a bunch for this brilliant sense of calm. I'm almost tempted to say it should be a Stickie.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Report: Casey Anthony's lawyers review Texas EquuSearch documents today – find new searchers

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-texas-equusearch-20101004,0,2581070.story

Casey Anthony's lawyers reviewed thousands of Texas EquuSearch records at the Orange County courthouse today and said they found 100 names of people who searched in and around Suburban Drive soon after Caylee Marie Anthony went missing in mid-2008.

These are names, they say, that were not previously provided to the defense.

"IN" Suburban Drive? Wrong preposition.
"AROUND" Suburban Drive? A goose chase.

 

[Postylyn]

This is brilliant, thank you, it's exactly what I'd hoped somebody smart would write for FlaMom and the other searchers who may be WS members, and may be a bit frightened or taken aback by all this. Thanks a bunch for this brilliant sense of calm. I'm almost tempted to say it should be a Stickie.

I agree Gnatcatcher! I am so sick of the duhfence getting away with their soddi game.

FlaMom et al - stand tall!!

 

[fla*mom]

I can not fathom that anyone searched that area that day.The acutal site she was found at. If they did they would have found her, she was there all along. Anyone who was on any search that day could see pockets of searchers all over town. Even in the most obsceur (?) places. So you are getting the point the area she was later found in was in my opinion without a doubt NOT searched that day.

Let them call me back I have nothing to add to bolster there case. I am just a mother and wife whose heart was breaking watching the news each night and thought if that was my grand daughter by golly I would want someone to look for her! Help me find her! That is more than that her grandparents did that day. To my knowlegde they did not even stop by the stageing area to say thanks.

 

[Intermezzo]

BBM

IMO, just because someone MAY have searched that EXACT area (which I believe was not possible due to being under water), and did not find Caylee, still does not mean she wasn't there. It would have been so easy to have missed her little bones, given that she was probably completely skeletonized by the time we ever heard her name for the first time.

Caylee's autopsy report states that she was most likely skeletonized within 2 weeks, so I think the defense is chasing their tails here.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf
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BBM
Very true.
IMO, the 50 new witnesses the Defense found DID NOT search the Exact area/spot where Caylee's remains were found but were searching the wooded area by the elementary school.

Yes, these new witnesses may have been "ON Suburdan Dr." BUT let's remember it is the ONLY Road that leads to the elementary School.

IMO That's what we have here..more people that searched down by the School..and had to be "on" Suburban Dr. in order to get to the school.

:twocents:

 

[Intermezzo]

AMEN! :bowdown:

Please don't anyone panic over these defense leaks. That is exactly what they are hoping for.
Y'all will be throwing up by time this review is over if you take this bait. :hug:


The WS mantra for the next few days shall be:

Consider the source!


If I need to panic, it will be when Judge Perry issues a ruling. And not a moment before. Until then, I suggest we laugh at the arrogance of CM thinking anyone would believe his sales pitch. Since he has been proven to be so reliable.

So true Beach, well said.
:clap:

 

[The World According]

I can not fathom that anyone searched that area that day.The acutal site she was found at. If they did they would have found her, she was there all along. Anyone who was on any search that day could see pockets of searchers all over town. Even in the most obsceur (?) places. So you are getting the point the area she was later found in was in my without a doubt NOT searched that day.

Let them call me back I have nothing to add to bolster there case. I am just a mother and wife whose heart was breaking watching the news each night and thought if that was my grand daughter by golly I would want someone to look for her! Help me find her!

Kent gave excellent advice. I am writing to tell you you are not "Just a " anything. You are an American hero.
I want to tell you I am inspired by you and grateful for you, you are a good, good woman. You did more for that baby than her own family did.

If George Anthony in front of Tim Miller can ask his daughter to mark the X on the spot of the map of where the searchers should look.......they knew. The idea of her little body being out there in the elements would have me looking from sun up 'till sun down if she were mine; because in the words of Mr. Miller, "She deserved a proper burial".

What is interesting to me is why the media doesn't follow up with the normal questions.

So, of course the searchers may have been curious and went on their own over by the Anthony home. Key words...., on their own, to me that is a given, highly likely. Why then did you not try to do this two years ago, as the records have sat their available to you? That is what I want a reporter to ask.

If the folks are local, I would assume the possibility of them going by the Anthony neighborhood to be 99 out of 100 if, as and when they had time. Come on....... there is no way Texas Equusearch could know or log that.
It is spin, pure and simple. So, the headlines will take the news cycle for two or three days, but by the time the jury hears the case this spin will be as much nonsense as a nanny that no one has ever met, fielded a phone call from, saw in any photo, talked to and who when mentioned to Caylee drew a blank look.

Here Tim details the scene in the Anthony house as George asks Casey to mark the spot on the map for the likely area of the body and Cindy flips the hell out and kicks them (TES) out of her home, for good. That is the alpha and the omega.
View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf

Florida mom.....
M'am you did what good Ameicans always do, you saw a need and you stepped up. That is what we do! You are my hero this morning!!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I can not fathom that anyone searched that area that day.The acutal site she was found at. If they did they would have found her, she was there all along. Anyone who was on any search that day could see pockets of searchers all over town. Even in the most obsceur (?) places. So you are getting the point the area she was later found in was in my without a doubt NOT searched that day.

Let them call me back I have nothing to add to bolster there case. I am just a mother and wife whose heart was breaking watching the news each night and thought if that was my grand daughter by golly I would want someone to look for her! Help me find her! That is more than that her grandparents did that day. To my knowlegde they did not even stop by the stageing area to say thanks.

FLaMom...I thank you and the other 4,000 volunteers from the bottom of my heart for trying to find Caylee..You and the other volunteers have the truth on your side...fear nothing for you know the defense is on a fishing expedition...JMHO

You are correct! The grandparents of precious Caylee did nothing but put obstacles in everyone's way, never thanked anyone for searching for their grandchild. They even had the nerve for Caylee's memorial to have it invitation only. Not one searcher given an invitation...All they've done from day 32 is try to recreate history, being hostile and contrary. Singing the blues that there is a conspiracy with LE. CA herself claims lying isn't a crime! It surely is when you are trying to locate an allegedly missing child and all you get from the mother of this child are lies, elaborate lies, not one word other then I haven't seen Caylee for 31 days..is the only truth ICA stated..IMO..so, you see where the mentality of this family lies...Caylee seems to have been forgotten since they have now joined the defense by helping create reasonable doubt. I feel, as this case moves forward, ICA will NOT go to trial. She will try for some plea for the lesser included charges for she doesn't want to face death, have that date with the executioner for SHE is all too important, to herself...JMHO

The defense are just trying to rattle everyone. If they can get by with that allegedly fraudulent piece of paper LB has supplied to them, they too might face some charges. Fear not, for the truth will always prevail...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

 

[fla*mom]

BBM
Very true.
IMO, the 50 new witnesses the Defense found DID NOT search the Exact area/spot where Caylee's remains were found but were searching the wooded area by the elementary school.

Yes, these new witnesses may have been "ON Suburdan Dr." BUT let's remember it is the ONLY Road that leads to the elementary School.

IMO That's what we have here..more people that searched down by the School..and had to be "on" Suburban Dr. in order to get to the school.

:twocents:

That has to be it. It just sounds better for them to say it in a way that for them tried to cast doubt. We all know the truth though.

You all are wonderful here. Thanks for calming me down from that bit of drama. I don't know how Casey has not cracked, I got rattled from one stupid phone call and I was telling the TRUTH!! yikes.

 

[The World According]

Let me help lighten things up for you. They may as well call Ms. Lucas and see how that works for the jury. If you have not heard Florida defense expert Richard Hornsby question her about Suburban Dr. you must listen to this. It certainly is revealing. She says they kept sending her pictures of different people homes after she claimed in her visions she was seeing the killer leave the Anthony home, that the baby had been kept in a garage, that they should head down their street and take a right, etc. etc. .......
oh and my favorite.... she saw a suburban. Mr. Hornsby sure did, like our very capable prosecutors will make short order of nonsense. (Just a side note, she also told Mr. Hornsby and Mr. Watts that this was Dominic Casey's first and only case.)
She claims that Dominic DID find Caylee but he started crying, freaked out and couldn't deal with it, so he left. She told him to go put his big boy pants on and go back the next day. Moreover, that he left the woods because there were three coral snakes at his feet when he found her.

Richard Hornsby asked her, "Did you think there was a nanny involved"?
"No", she answered.

Mr. Watts asked her, so if you see the killer in your vision, who is the murderer, who killed Caylee? She laughed and answered "I guess you'll find out, eventually, wont you". She mentioned that she could not, or would not work on the things further without compensation. She details how they kept calling her, telling her they have this lead and that lead, that is entirely different than the description of her calling Dom of her own accord on the day of the search. She asked for a photo, toy, anything. They months later sent her a teddy bear and then it came to her...Suburban. She says in one spot the body had been moved several times. A garage in a a laundry bag like Navy boys used years ago is what she saw the body in. She told Dominic he should look for trash. "She was thrown out like trash", she told him.

When dealing with the defense team, keep in mind, Jose Baez is the one who hired Dominic Casey and that will help you exhale and carry on your day. In the words of Mark Nejame, "I am being overly generous in my characterization".

Dominic was crying because he kept thinking the kid was alive, he really believed he could bring her home alive. Then she explained to Mr. Hornsby that she knew Caylee was there because on the phone with Dominic, she could "Smell it through the phone", that she (Ginette) has "Died a couple of times".

She eludes to this being an accident on the part of Casey, although Mr. Hornsby reminds her she already said the murderer was a man. I cannot make heads or tails of the ever evolving story. At another point of the interview Steph asked her again what is the cause of Caylee's death, to which she answered "Neglegence".

The reason I am bringing up this episode is just to illustrate how wholly misguided and inexperienced Dominic was, and remind us who hired this person so our TES members will not be intimidated.

Richard Hornsby , "Did Dominic go to the police"? "No, " she answered. "He couldn't go to the cops ; because, he was embarrassed to tell them a psychic found the body, and I'm done".

Richard Hornsby asked Ms. Lucas, " Well, then...did you call the police if you knew where the body was?" "No", she answered.


Although she hedged a few times, Mr. Hornsby pinned her down to tell that the secretive "let's call him Mr. Smith" intermediary she mentions who was working with the Anthonys and sending her stuff...... works with Find Me.


Steph details that he (Steph) was at those woods and they were "So dense...you could NOT go in there".

Steph Watts October 3 at 10:45pm Report
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[CarolinaMoon]

I've been reading this thread for a long time. Thanks to all the WS'ers like fla*mom who searched for Caylee.

The original 32 searchers identified by Brad Conway and Linda Drane Burdick are those who searched within 50 yards of the site where the remains were found.

Fact is, there were many searchers on Suburban around the elementary school and the woods/swamps behind the school. It comes as no surprise to me that the defense has come up with 50 or 100 more names of people who searched Suburban Dr. That's why the defense team was able to crow about previously undisclosed searchers.

It's all just more smoke and mirrors and a way to get more media attention.

Jose Baez has stated before he's looking for reasonable doubt for ONE juror. That's not what it's going to take. It would be reasonable doubt for TWELVE jurors.

Based on what we know, I doubt the defense team is going to find smoke and mirrors will work on TWELVE people.

MOO

 

[Aedrys]

It's up to 100 names now? Is that even believable?

Does anyone else think they just threw all 4,000 names in a hat and are taking turns pulling names out? And how nice that the round number of 50 is now a round number of 100. So not believable.

And thank you Kentjbkent. See, Fla*mom, you can treat the defense like an annoying telemarketer if they call, ha ha!

 

[Aedrys]

Let me help lighten things up for you. They may as well call Ms. Lucas and see how that works for the jury. If you have not heard Florida defense expert Richard Hornsby question her about Suburban Dr. you must listen to this. It certainly is revealing. She says they kept sending her pictures of different people homes after she claimed in her visions she was seeing the killer leave the Anthony home, that the baby had been kept in a garage, that they should head down their street and take a right, etc. etc. .......
oh and my favorite.... she saw a suburban. Mr. Hornsby sure did, like our very capable prosecutors will make short order of nonsense. (Just a side note, she also told Mr. Hornsby and Mr. Watts that this was Dominic Casey's first and only case. )
She claims that Dominic DID find Caylee but he started crying, freaked out and couldn't deal with it, so he left. She told him to go put his big boy pants on and go back the next day. Moreover, that he left the woods because there were three snakes at his feet when he found her.
Mr. Watts asked her, so if you see the killer in your vision, who is the murderer, who killed Caylee? She laughed and answered "I guess you'll find out, eventually, wont you". She mentioned that she could not, or would not work on the things further without compensation.

When dealing with the defense team, keep in mind, Jose Baez is the one who hired Dominic Casey and that will help you exhale and carry on your day. In the words of Mark Nejame, "I am being overly generous in my characterization".

Steph Watts October 3 at 10:45pm Report
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And even better, she's now a member of WS under her own name. I wonder if she's reading these threads. I know she's giving input in the Kyron Horman case, which I really don't like, and I've already PM'd a mod about her. I can't wait to see her testify in court, if they call her. What a con artist.

Baez and Mason don't have a prayer. It doesn't matter how many people they find, the forensics and rational, logical witnesses of the prosecution are going to outshine the defense in every way, shape, and form. I'm worrying less and less these days.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Does anyone else think they just threw all 4,000 names in a hat and are taking turns pulling names out? And how nice that the round number of 50 is now a round number of 100. So not believable.

And thank you Kentjbkent. See, Fla*mom, you can treat the defense like an annoying telemarketer if they call, ha ha!

Good point, but I envisioned it more like a really twisted version of Pin The Tail on the Donkey...

Mason may have suggested Go Fish, but Baez probably told him "We are doing this MY WAY" as he secured the blindfold on Mason, and spun him around......."One Potato....Two Potato....Three Potato..." (sorry, wrong game Baez!)

BAEZ: "Now go to the Left.......NO..... THE LEFT........"

MASON: "Damn It....I can't HEAR YOU!!!!"

BAEZ: "I said the Right......GO TO THE RIGHT.....!!!"

Mason garbles to himself that he is just too old to play these games anymore...unfortunately, Baez can't understand a thing he is saying....

:woohoo:

Hey....a girl can have her fantasies, right? :dance:

 

[Intermezzo]

If I am not mistaken, that is Joe Jordan, is it not?

Cause that's a whole nuther subject....

The reporter asked him his name at the end of the interview..He did not say his name was Joe Jordan but did give his name.

Check out TWA's post#153 on page 7 in the "120 TES search areas cleared" thread,

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74995&page=7

 

[Intermezzo]

I didn't feel that worried this afternoon, now after reading some post from page 46 on a few on this thread I don't feel so good now. Not that I have anything that is good for them just being in this situation at all. I want justice for Caylee so what ever comes fine.

I never got any call warning me a call could come and I am certainly not in the 32 people specific to the actual burial spot. I had no idea of the scripted things and all that is involved with these calls. I would have fainted if I knew all that and then they call. I was just sure ask away.

Oh I got the call around 2pm in the afternoon and it lasted about 2-3 minutes.

fla*mom,
BBM
Just like TM has said..Tell the truth, you have said above, you were searching at the end of the street behind the school.

I suspect the other 49 people were searching the same area as you, at the end of Suburban behind the school.

:twocents: