All Things Dick Cheney

[Becba]

Link that says the pellet is 5 mm.



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10368594

"Doctors at the hospital where the veteran Republican lawyer and activist was rushed after the weekend accident said a 5mm birdshot pellet moved and lodged in part of his heart, causing an atrial fibrillation."

 

[calus_3]

Cal
This thread is not required reading for those who do not "give a crap".

I'm sorry but I am CONFUSED as to what you mean.....splain?

Cal

 

[Buzz Mills]

Buzz, did some reading and one of complaints about info on the size of the shot is that the medical team said the pellet lodged near the heart was 5.5mm. If you look that up on the scale for birdshot it is much much larger than that for Quail.

Scroll this link to find that the size for quail and the size of pellets. Shot size is larger as the number goes backwards. The size for quail is Number 7 1/2 to 8.
It is only 2.41 mm. You have to go bigger than the size of a BB to get 5.5mm.

http://www.check-six.com/Museum/Weaponry-m.htm

It has been reported that Cheney was using 7 1/2 lead shot. That particular pellet probably flattened out on impact, and /or, being lead, it could even merge with another pellet. Sometimes the lead pellets will even fragment. There are roughly 350 pellets per oz.; the standard 28 gauge load is 3/4 oz, meaning that there were roughly 260 pellets in the shell initially. At 30 yards, according to the shotgun pattern density calculator, there are approximately 158 pellets in a 30" circle. One of this mornings reports said that Whittington was hit by about 150 pellets, which doesn't quite fall within the calculation. The 30" barrel would account for a somewhat tighter pattern, but for Whittington to get hit by the reported 150 pellets, if true, over the injury area sketched, that is a very tight pattern.

 

[tybee204]

Hey Dems....

No one gives a crap about the timelines and the inuendo.....it was a hunting acccident, so says the police and everyone involved.

The liberal media and the Democrats running around acting like Cheney was drunk or that he intentionally shot Harry to warn Scooter Libby not to testify is just solidifying votes for the Republicans in mid-terms and 2008. This is a red herring against someone who isn't even going to be involved in 2008.

You are chasing your tails and as much as you try and the pissed off media tries to make this into something it wasn't, you can't. The American public is watching and don't care about this hunting accident beyond hoping that Harry pulls through.

Cal

I'm sorry but I am CONFUSED as to what you mean.....splain?

This is the post I was referencing.

 

[Becba]

It has been reported that Cheney was using 7 1/2 lead shot. That particular pellet probably flattened out on impact, and /or, being lead, it could even merge with another pellet. Sometimes the lead pellets will even fragment. There are roughly 350 pellets per oz.; the standard 28 gauge load is 3/4 oz, meaning that there were roughly 260 pellets in the shell initially. At 30 yards, according to the shotgun pattern density calculator, there are approximately 158 pellets in a 30" circle. One of this mornings reports said that Whittington was hit by about 150 pellets, which doesn't quite fall within the calculation. The 30" barrel would account for a somewhat tighter pattern, but for Whittington to get hit by the reported 150 pellets, if true, over the injury area sketched, that is a very tight pattern.

I would think that would describe a mass of pellets. Having a little trouble with it being called a 5mm pellet and it being merged pellets. If it is merged pellets one may come off the mass and kill him at any time.

 

[calus_3]

This is the post I was referencing.

Umm, okay but what are you trying to say? Agree with me, disagree with me?

I just balanced my checkbook--which is a chore--so the double negatives are messing with my brain.

Cal

 

[Reader]

It seems to me somebody does care about this Cheney hunting situation, since there are now 443 posts in this thread, not counting in the political forum; 13 people have posted just this morning, and newspapers/TV are still covering the story and its contradictions.

There are obviously changing stories and facts, as this evolves. Why?? The truth is the truth and doesn't change from one account or person to another. I, personally, don't trust anything Cheney or his cohorts say. I'm beginning to think they are manipulating this so it will stay in the news to take attention from other things.

Republicans should be careful what they wish for:

http://snipurl.com/mmxy

WASHINGTON - It's not Dick Cheney's hunting mishap that worries Republicans.

It's his other scandal — the CIA leak case and the threat it poses to the embattled vice president.
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"It's hard to believe that anybody can make Dick Cheney a sympathetic figure," said Rep. Tom Cole (news, bio, voting record), R-Okla. "That's what the media has done."

Republicans say they are pleasantly surprised that the intense media coverage of the hunting accident has shifted attention from the case of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff. Libby is accused of misleading investigators about who leaked the identify of a CIA official.
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That's the scandal to watch, Republicans said.

The hunting accident "really has gotten Scooter Libby out of the press," said Deb Gullett, a GOP activist from Phoenix, who is chief of staff to the city's mayor. "But it will come back."

"There are so many things going on that could be a great concern for Republicans, but this hunting thing is not one of them," she said. "Should he have said something sooner about the accident? Of course he should have. But is it the end of the world? Of course not."
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"It wasn't good huntsmanship, but it wasn't anything of national importance," said Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor. "If it turns out that Scooter Libby is now willing to testify that he got directions from the vice president to leak the name of a CIA agent, that's a far more serious issue and damaging to Cheney."

"That other scandal is the one worth watching," he said.

 

[calus_3]

Well, yeah the internet is abuzz with talking about it. Everyone I surveyed in my office, etc. say they couldn't care less. I don't think that the average American that is going on with their life is even following this case...other than the blurbs they hear on the radio or tv. I don't think that this is anything other than a novelty case.

My point is that the media (who is PEEVED) because Cheney once again has snubbed them is just trying to whip this into something it isn't. There isn't any indication he was intoxicated. There is not indication that he shot him on purpose.

It is the biggest non-story in history kept alive by the dreams of the media to finally get Cheney.

Cal

 

[calus_3]

I would think that would describe a mass of pellets. Having a little trouble with it being called a 5mm pellet and it being merged pellets. If it is merged pellets one may come off the mass and kill him at any time.

Okay, now my question...

Who cares how many he was hit with? Is the incident any better or worse if he was hit with 149 instead of 150? He was probably hit with quite a few pellets and I am sure that not all of the penetrated his body...stopped by clothing, etc.

People seem to be wasting a LOT of energy on guessing how many pellets he was hit with but I am not quite sure what it matters or what the implication is.

Cal

 

[Becba]

Okay, now my question...

Who cares how many he was hit with? Is the incident any better or worse if he was hit with 149 instead of 150? He was probably hit with quite a few pellets and I am sure that not all of the penetrated his body...stopped by clothing, etc.

People seem to be wasting a LOT of energy on guessing how many pellets he was hit with but I am not quite sure what it matters or what the implication is.

Cal

Apparently I care. And that is why I am posting with others that also care. Your constant whining about "who cares" is like telling me I shouldn't be posting.
Hello! I am on the right thread. I am posting about the topic. And I was enjoying reading everyones take on it.

 

[Marthatex]

Calus, you know, it's just not every day that a Vice President shoots someone. Yes, it's a human interest story just like anything else involving people in the limelight. I think what aroused alot of interest was the delay in time reporting it. Why? Was anything covered up? Yes, it was an afront to the mainstream press. Why did the White House not simply release it to the press shortly after it happened? Then the minor heart attack just brought out the fact that this was a serious injury, not something minor as originally portrayed.

This unwillingness to be straightforward and give information to the press, the public, and even to Congress is all too familiar with this administration.

Since he did not meet with police until the next day, it is only natural to wonder if alcohol was involved. I'm sure we'll never know. Since we're websleuthers, that's why we're looking at every angle and scrutinizing. That's why we're here.

 

[calus_3]

Apparently I care. And that is why I am posting with others that also care. Your constant whining about "who cares" is like telling me I shouldn't be posting.
Hello! I am on the right thread. I am posting about the topic. And I was enjoying reading everyones take on it.

I am not telling you not to post but merely questioning why the number of pellets is important. Okay, he was hit with 143 with 78 piercing the flesh. You would say AHA......

AHA what? AHA that proves Cheney was actually 34 yards away instead of 30 or something like that? Or is it just something stuck in your craw that you gotta know the answer to?

I am just curious with the utter fascination of not just you but several people with the number of pellets that hit/pierced him. It seems to me there is a lot more meat here to latch onto.

Cal

 

[calus_3]

Calus, you know, it's just not every day that a Vice President shoots someone. Yes, it's a human interest story just like anything else involving people in the limelight. I think what aroused alot of interest was the delay in time reporting it. Why? Was anything covered up? Yes, it was an afront to the mainstream press. Why did the White House not simply release it to the press shortly after it happened? Then the minor heart attack just brought out the fact that this was a serious injury, not something minor as originally portrayed.

This unwillingness to be straightforward and give information to the press, the public, and even to Congress is all too familiar with this administration.

Since he did not meet with police until the next day, it is only natural to wonder if alcohol was involved. I'm sure we'll never know. Since we're websleuthers, that's why we're looking at every angle and scrutinizing. That's why we're here.

"Calus, you know, it's just not every day that a Vice President shoots someone"......I KNOW and I think that really should change. Perhaps during the next State of the Union speech, Cheney could bring a sniper rife and take out some Dems. I know, try to hit Hillary while she has that scrunched up, just smelled a rotten egg poot face so it stays that way! JUST KIDDING don't anyone go calling the Secret Service or anything. Of couse, as much as Hillary and other Democrats have treated their secret service agents like crap they might just volunteer some primo military stuff for Cheney to use! It's okay to laugh, Dems, that's good stuff!

If you really want to know the truth, Cheney has had a hate-hate relationship with the press and I really don't care. I want someone more concerned about running the Country and not someone who is concerned about spin. Cheney ignores the press and I like that. So truth be known, he was waiting to make sure the guy was going to be okay and then fed the story to a local press shop that wasn't used to big stories like this. He did it to snub the media and then went on Fox News to further snub the media. He isn't stupid, he is a cold, calculating SOB and I LIKE THAT. He knew that CNN would scream that he was being protected by Fox News but I am sure those in the know realize he did it....well, I will let Cheney's own words resonate here....to say FU to the big media.

I don't think he was drunk nor was he trying to spin anything. They could have had acceptable spin in under 30 minutes off to the big media.

As much as some would love there to be some sinister angle to this story, it just isn't there. Meanwhile a short little dictator bent on bringing the end of the world about is building Nukes in Iran.

Cal

 

[Becba]

When the local LE got their interview, it would be interesting to know if they even got to talk to Cheney. Did they only get to talk to Ms. Armstrong who seems not to have really even seen this?

And did they go to where the accident actually took place? Or did they just go to the ranch and take some notes?

 

[Reader]

Why does it matter what people post about as long as they are covering the topic and following TOS?

All people are different, some are more interested in technical things, like the number of pellets and distance of the shot.

I am more interested finding out what the political ramifications will be for Cheney lying to the country AGAIN. But like the article I posted above, his real problems are going to come from Libby.

However, I find all the research other people do interesting to read and appreciate their efforts to get to the truth of what happened. And, some of this information might determine whether charges are filed or not, depending on what happens to Mr. Whittington.

If someone else finds this information and discussion boring or irrelevant, I wonder what they are doing reading it?

 

[bbmcrae]

"Perhaps during the next State of the Union speech, Cheney could bring a sniper rife and take out some Dems. I know, try to hit Hillary while she has that scrunched up, just smelled a rotten egg poot face so it stays that way!"

Wow - killing a former First Lady. Classy, well-articulated, funny stuff.

But let's not talk badly about the Vice President who shot someone in the face, of course. THAT would be in poor taste.

 

[Becba]

Why does it matter what people post about as long as they are covering the topic and following TOS?

All people are different, some are more interested in technical things, like the number of pellets and distance of the shot.

I am more interested finding out what the political ramifications will be for Cheney lying to the country AGAIN. But like the article I posted above, his real problems are going to come from Libby.

However, I find all the research other people do interesting to read and appreciate their efforts to get to the truth of what happened. And, some of this information might determine whether charges are filed or not, depending on what happens to Mr. Whittington.

If someone else finds this information and discussion boring or irrelevant, I wonder what they are doing reading it?

It will be interesting to see if Cheney survives this and the Libby scandal. I am at the point of thinking no one is ever going to say enough is enough.
I am facinated with this accident. So many inaccuracies(sp?) are usually centered around something no one wants out.

 

[calus_3]

Why does it matter what people post about as long as they are covering the topic and following TOS?

All people are different, some are more interested in technical things, like the number of pellets and distance of the shot.

I am more interested finding out what the political ramifications will be for Cheney lying to the country AGAIN. But like the article I posted above, his real problems are going to come from Libby.

However, I find all the research other people do interesting to read and appreciate their efforts to get to the truth of what happened. And, some of this information might determine whether charges are filed or not, depending on what happens to Mr. Whittington.

If someone else finds this information and discussion boring or irrelevant, I wonder what they are doing reading it?

I'm not stopping or even suggesting that anyone stop posting......just as they are curious about the number of pellets I am curious as to why they want to know or what it implies.

So post away.....

Cal

 

[calus_3]

"Perhaps during the next State of the Union speech, Cheney could bring a sniper rife and take out some Dems. I know, try to hit Hillary while she has that scrunched up, just smelled a rotten egg poot face so it stays that way!"

Wow - killing a former First Lady. Classy, well-articulated, funny stuff.

But let's not talk badly about the Vice President who shot someone in the face, of course. THAT would be in poor taste.

First, the Hiilary thing is a joke. Everyone knows a bullet would just bounce off.

Talk bad about him all you want, make all the jokes you want....heck, somewhere buried in one of these I think I may have even taken a swag at him.

Cal

 

[christine2448]

Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0216061cheney1.html