Alleged abuse photos

[kamky]

I broke my wrist a month ago and had surgery to straighten the bones. Surprisingly, there was little bruising at first. A week later, though, my arm was purple and then green, yellow, and finally brown. It looked much worse 10 days to two weeks after the injury than it did at first. So the pictures of Haleigh where her playground accident injuries get progressively worse seem very normal to me.

 

[texasmommy39]

Crystal reported her concerns to DCF. Knowing that DCF was investigating may have given Crystal a false sense of security.

At the time when Crystal reported suspected abuse, the level to which the children might be in danger probably was not clear to her. She may have taken a "better safe than sorry" approach.

Flash forward: When Haleigh went missing, Crystal probably didn't believe this could have anything to do with Ronald or Misty. As time went on, Misty's inconsistent stories may have brought Crystal's nagging thoughts about possible previous abuse to the forefront. Any witnesses who came forward after that to report incidents of abuse were probably all Crystal needed to decide that she needed to take custody of Jr.

IMO, this makes total sense.

I would of called the police to my home for such serious injuries if I believed they were done by the father. I can't imagine just calling Social Services. I would of thought immediate attention would of been warranted if the abuse was so obvious.

 

[texasmommy39]

We need a thread for What makes you as a good mommy not a BIO mom.

 

[debs]

I'm not sure, but I don't think Texas means prior reporting to DCF, I think what texas is saying is that it's suspect when your child goes missing, and you think your ex abused the children, and you have photos, that you didn't start screaming it from the rooftops to the media and whoever will listen the minute Haleigh went missing that first week in Satsuma. Instead CS said things to NG like "there were no problems in the home" "Ronald loved Haleigh" "She was his heart" "the children loved Misty". I know some people think it's because she was scared, but I can't help but think that in those initial days Haleigh went missing the fear of her missing daughter would have trumped fear of Ron.

Crystal reported it, it's been confirmed that DFS has visted the house in the past 6 months, I'm not sure where "shouting" needed to come in at all. Crystal has been taking the appropriate steps, and is doing so now.

 

[texasmommy39]

These children are so little and can not protect themselves from others. It is our first priority as mothers to keep our children safe from the things we know that can harm or have harmed our children. Mothers who care do not allow the opportunity for her children to be harmed in the first place. Mothers who care and have confirmed abuse would not just make one phone call and report and patiently wait for the damage to be done. NO EXCUSE if you were aware and didn't follow up till it was proven or not. To wait would not of been my choice of action.

 

[texasmommy39]

My opinion is someone needs to advise her on what is the appropriate steps in finding her Missing 5 year old.

 

[texasmommy39]

I have gone to battle for my kids more than I can count. With my ex, teachers, other children (teens) and a few parents over the years. I am a tigress with her cubs. I will take on the world to protect my children if I had to.

 

[Razzle]

With all due respect, if we went by this post, then Crystal is not smart enough to take care of any children.

Some people keep saying she didn't know what to do or how to do it. A mother will do whatever it takes to keep her children safe. If Crystal couldn't do it, then she shouldn't have the children IMO.

PS I am not calling Crystal stupid. I'm saying that many people are making her seem that way.

Yup.

I never said Crystal should have the kids.

 

[Razzle]

Can everyone just agree that we are all more than likely better parents/more responsible/ make better choices/ would have done things differently (etc etc etc....) than Crystal?


Because seriously, IMO, 99% of Mothers would have made better choices than Crystal did. But I think that everyone here sees that. This whole thread seems like person after person explaining how much better of a Mother they are than Crystal, which unless I am missing something, is a bit irrelevant to finding Haleigh. I don't normally use the 'B' word, but I really feel like Crystal is being Bashed. I doubt many (if any) of us here can relate with what it is like to be Crystal. I am not talking about her circumstances, but to actually be HER, to be the type of person who decides to use cocaine while you are pregnant, and not take your child to important medical appointments and I could go on and on.

Just because Crystal might have been flaky or a bad mom or a drug user, does not mean that Ron wasn't abusing these children, or that she didn't genuinely suspect that they were being abused. Just because she didn't handle it the the same way most of us would have does not make her allegations false.

I personally doubt that either parent is in a place to provide good, safe care to Jr.
I am sure the heck happy that Crystal is bringing this (allegations of physical abuse) up now. Better late than never, right?


I hope no one takes this snarky...I don't mean it that way. :blowkiss:
I just am so sick of waiting for them to find Haleigh. I really feel badly for her. It seems like she has had quite a bit of drama in her short life. Poor baby. I don;t even know whether to hope for her "safe" return anymore...that would mean someone has been doing very bad things with her for weeks. I just don't know what to hope for.

 

[Indigo]

I would of called the police to my home for such serious injuries if I believed they were done by the father. I can't imagine just calling Social Services. I would of thought immediate attention would of been warranted if the abuse was so obvious.

At the time, Cyrstal may have believed Ronald's account of the injuries on Haleigh's face. But to be sure she contacted CPS.

According to reports, new information from various witnesses has been forthcoming that is causing her to seriously question and revisit these incidents. She now feels CPS didn't investigate thoroughly. She wants them to be reinvestigated. She is taking the correct course in doing this.


If there are witnesses who support this evidence by their eyewitness accounts,this adds a lot more weight. JMO.

 

[Kat]

I still don't like that this in front of national media, but that's my own *opinion*.

However, I do think this---Crystal has every right to challange the custody agreement as it stands, and she doesn't need the reason that Haleigh is missing either.

The only reason she needs is that she is Haleigh and Jr.'s Mother and she wants custody. Now, from what I can tell, a request for custody hasn't happened yet. But I can say from the standpoint of being a Mother myself, I would want my children with me. Even if I had not had custody before, I would work hard to get them back.

I can't fault her for that. When the time comes, to file for custody, I'm not sure she can file for Haleigh if Haleigh has not been found.

 

[Asti]

I really have no thoughts about who did what in this horrible event except everyone keeps saying why wasn't Crystal screaming from the rooftops that she suspected Ron of abuse when her daughter went missing. Well, perhaps she did. She could have told the authorities those facts the minute she got down there and we wouldn't necessarily know that. I am not on her side or anyone's, the whole thing is such a mess, but we can't assume someone did or didn't do something just because the media hasn't gotten ahold of the information.

 

[texasmommy39]

You are right no one should be attacking her for not being a mother to those two LITTLE children. WE SHOULD DO AS SHE HAS ASKED US , THE PUBLIC TO REMAIN FOCUSED ON RC FOR NOT BEING A GOOD FATHER.

 

[texasmommy39]

I want to make an informed desicion. Since the PUBLIC has been asked to take notice of this and throw her some support and cash.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Picazio insists, Crystle has never asked her to help her with a custody battle.
After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said [B]people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.[/B]
Picazio said her role has changed a little from what she had expected it to be.

Video Report: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=295


This is a result of what happen to another child in Florida Channel 4 learned a couple arrested in April 2007 during an investigation into abuse of Kayla, but those charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. The child is now DEAD. http://www.news4jax.com/news/18976938/detail.html

 

[texasmommy39]

I don't believe I am the only one who has done their homework on the facts. There are many great minds here that have done their homework but are being sidetracked by the smoke and mirrors that are continually being thrown out to distract. Where is Haleigh is my only question not who spanked her or when and how. My question is where is Haleigh not was RC good to CS during their relationship 3 1/2 years ago. My question is where is Haleigh not do I think it is right or wrong for a 25 year old man to marry a 17 year old. My question is still the same but the answers that are being provided are of deceit and lies.
WHERE IS HALEIGH?????????

 

[Razzle]

I don't believe I am the only one who has done their homework on the facts. There are many great minds here that have done their homework but are being sidetracked by the smoke mirrors that are continually being thrown out to distract. Where is Haleigh is my only question not who spanked her or when and how. My question is where is Haleigh not was RC good to CS during their relationship 3 1/2 years ago. My question is where is Haleigh not do I think it is right or wrong for a 25 year old man to marry a 17 year old. My question is still the same but the answers that are being provided are of deceit and lies.
WHERE IS HALEIGH?????????

But if Ron did physically abuse his children, and their Mother, that is relevant. Ron could be responsible for this. People are trying to look at every angle and not ignore the fact that in most of these cases it turns out to be the parent/caregiver who is responsible for the child's disappearance.

If Ron is a violent man then he would certainly be more likely to lose control and hurt his child so badly that she died. It would take one hit, or one shove, or one time throwing her down on the bed to hard. Children die this way all the time, and the majority of them have a history of physical abuse at the hands of their killer.

Whether or not RC was physically abusive to his children is HUGELY relevant to this case. What IF that first pic of Haleigh really is a result of something Ron did?

No WAY am I going to ignore the very real possibility that HC and Jr were being abused.

 

[Indigo]

But if Ron did physically abuse his children, and their Mother, that is relevant. Ron could be responsible for this. People are trying to look at every angle and not ignore the fact that in most of these cases it turns out to be the parent/caregiver who is responsible for the child's disappearance.

If Ron is a violent man then he would certainly be more likely to lose control and hurt his child so badly that she died. It would take one hit, or one shove, or one time throwing her down on the bed to hard. Children die this way all the time, and the majority of them have a history of physical abuse at the hands of their killer.

Whether or not RC was physically abusive to his children is HUGELY relevant to this case. What IF that first pic of Haleigh really is a result of something Ron did?

No WAY am I going to ignore the very real possibility that HC and Jr were being abused.

ITA, Razzle. Where Haleigh is depends a lot on who is responsible for her disappearance. This is all relevant to where Haleigh might be.

 

[texasmommy39]

But if Ron did physically abuse his children, and their Mother, that is relevant. Ron could be responsible for this. People are trying to look at every angle and not ignore the fact that in most of these cases it turns out to be the parent/caregiver who is responsible for the child's disappearance.

If Ron is a violent man then he would certainly be more likely to lose control and hurt his child so badly that she died. It would take one hit, or one shove, or one time throwing her down on the bed to hard. Children die this way all the time, and the majority of them have a history of physical abuse at the hands of their killer.

Whether or not RC was physically abusive to his children is HUGELY relevant to this case. What IF that first pic of Haleigh really is a result of something Ron did?

No WAY am I going to ignore the very real possibility that HC and Jr were being abused.

It would be relevant in my opinion if it was proven prior to Haleigh's abduction. Revealed in the evidence at the crime scene. Addressed by LE in the first days and weeks of the investigation. But it is only being brought out now, and by a parent that has had the ability to see first hand every other weekend the well being of her two children. I could believe her statements if she did not have the children in her care often enough to see the signs of abuse. But that is not the case. A bruise and scrape are not the only signs of abuse. The behavior of the child will always show signs of abuse. There play with others can indicate abuse. Do they spank or beat, yell and mistreat there babies in play. Some little boys are aggressive naturally when they play but you can still pick up evidence of abuse. Children talk they tell on those they feel hurt them or are mean to them.

 

[cuppy199]

Picazio insists, Crystle has never asked her to help her with a custody battle.
After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said [B]people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.[/B]
Picazio said her role has changed a little from what she had expected it to be.

Video Report: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=295


This is a result of what happen to another child in Florida Channel 4 learned a couple arrested in April 2007 during an investigation into abuse of Kayla, but those charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. The child is now DEAD. http://www.news4jax.com/news/18976938/detail.html

Im sorry but my problem is that this is all coming from the lawyer and Im not willing to say just because she says it so its so. We dont have all the answers and until DCF or LE comes forward with something Im not gonna condemn a possibly innocent father. Yes sometimes DCF misses things and it ends in the death of a child which is extremely disheartening. I have never had a problem with them looking into it but I do have problem in the way this lawyer is doing it. If in fact its proven then yes he should be punished but if its found its false the way this has been done will impact the Cummings forever and thats what bothers me about the way this has been plastered all over the national news.