Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #33

[minni]

Ohhh, if he did have the caterpillar bites before ABC went missing, that could explain why if he'd been out picking beans off the plant!

I was told he went to the doctor prior to 19th to get a script.....i was told it was for sleep problems. Could it have been an antihistamine for a allergic reaction to a real caterpillar attack? haha oooohhhhh

 

[minni]

From this entry:
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I remember that post...It would mean the kids actually did spend at least a portion of the night at seniors house?

 

[BJsleuth]

From this entry:
[URL="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7955089#post7955089[/URL]

I remember that Possumheart! I also remember someone saying that Allison was hogtied etc, they were just rumours as far as I know but maybe that was why she was if she indeed had been tied?

 

[possumheart]

I remember that Possumheart! I also remember someone saying that Allison was hogtied etc, they were just rumours as far as I know but maybe that was why she was if she indeed had been tied?

Can't make the hogtie connection with poisoning, can you explain??

 

[minni]

I love the way Darren Mahony refers to it as a "caterpillar incident". Makes it sound like a Robert Ludlum book - the 5th book in the Bruce Overland saga. A murder mystery, full of twist and turns, sex and lies, but unfotunately no video tape. A red herring style story, which story is true, which clues do we follow and ultimately is it the work of a lone wolf or are there more to the pack.

I like to call it a BRI....butterfly related injury

 

[BJsleuth]

Can't make the hogtie connection with poisoning, can you explain??

If the poisoning takes 36-72 to cause death, then what would he have done with her while it took effect? He would have to "hide" her somewhere until then and ensure she couldn't get help. He may have tied her and put her under the box culvert until she died.


I suppose the larger the dose, the quicker death would occur? MOO

Could also explain the blood in the car Ingestion: If someone swallows a significant amount of ricin, he or she would develop vomiting and diarrhea that may become bloody.

 

[BJsleuth]

I was told he went to the doctor prior to 19th to get a script.....i was told it was for sleep problems. Could it have been an antihistamine for a allergic reaction to a real caterpillar attack? haha oooohhhhh

Possibly Minni, cream to soothe it too perhaps?

 

[possumheart]

If the poisoning takes 36-72 to cause death, then what would he have done with her while it took effect? He would have to "hide" her somewhere until then and ensure she couldn't get help. He may have tied her and put her under the box culvert until she died.


I suppose the larger the dose, the quicker death would occur? MOO

Could also explain the blood in the car Ingestion: If someone swallows a significant amount of ricin, he or she would develop vomiting and diarrhea that may become bloody.

wow, ewww, blah, wow

 

[Rational]

That is so bizarre - sometimes it loads and sometimes not. Here's another go:

http://paulgtully.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/gerard-baden-clay-conducting-ongoing.html

Mountainmist
Paul Tully is not regarded as a reliable source or MSM. He is an Ipswich counsellor who posts on his blog with his own opinions.

 

[BJsleuth]

wow, ewww, blah, wow

Sorry, hope you weren't having a late lunch?

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

So so funny.....lol:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Love it!!:floorlaugh:

 

[BJsleuth]

How revoltingly disgusting he is....was reading how he was giving TM his Commitment to her...my God....What a Wh...er.......and he was intending to leave behind his children to be with that woman.....nice bloke.
Oh sorry....this was out of the affidavit
I wonder what TM feel's when she thinks about the fact she was going to let a murderer(potential) IMO. move in with her and her young twins.....bet she's glad he's living elsewhere now.

Yeah, she got off lightly really didn't she?

Love the new avatar Ollijack :floorlaugh:

 

[Walk A Mile]

Sorry, I've lost track of the conversation here. What's the theory? He went out to Kholo Creek, harvested caster beans, came home, cooked them up, gave them to A and after they took affect carted her body back to Kholo Creek and dumped her?

 

[BJsleuth]

Sorry, I've lost track of the conversation here. What's the theory? He went out to Kholo Creek, harvested caster beans, came home, cooked them up, gave them to A and after they took affect carted her body back to Kholo Creek and dumped her?

Yes, basically, that's the theory.

 

[minni]

Can't make the hogtie connection with poisoning, can you explain??

I hope there is no connection Possum. Something that would include poisoning and hogtying wouldn't bear contemplating, I think. Poisoning, which may take up to 3 days, then hog tied and left in the middle of nowhere?
No way I can consider something that horrendous. I doubt anyone would be that sadistic.
The hog tied rumour is hard to fit in with other bits and pieces we know. The only way I see that could have happened was if they/he was trying to make it look like a random killing MOO :moo:

 

[DrWatson]

If the poisoning takes 36-72 to cause death, then what would he have done with her while it took effect? He would have to "hide" her somewhere until then and ensure she couldn't get help. He may have tied her and put her under the box culvert until she died.


I suppose the larger the dose, the quicker death would occur? MOO

Could also explain the blood in the car Ingestion: If someone swallows a significant amount of ricin, he or she would develop vomiting and diarrhea that may become bloody.

Ricin taken (or given) orally is often not too much of a problem, as it is denatured by the enzymes in the human GI tract. Yes, it can cause vomiting, diarrhoea, gastric bleeding etc. But it is much more effective as a toxin when given systemically - either by intramuscular injection (like the Georgi Markov umbrella murder) or intravenously.

I have thought and posted previously that the chipped tooth might have been from something being forced into Allison's mouth like a bottle, but I wasn't thinking in terms of something like ricin. It is nowhere near quick enough. And those poisons that are quick enough are usually detectable at autopsy and toxicology.

While the idea sounds like it could be feasible, I think that the odds would be against something as elaborate as making ricin (or even just the castor bean mash) then making Allison ingest it, then waiting for a few days for it to take effect while she got progressively more ill. She certainly wouldn't have been well enough to visit the hairdressers that night, that's for sure...

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

Hmmm - couldn't get to sleep, so just checking in again.

Re GBC's scratches - there would seem, logically, to be three possibilities:

(a) either GBC is telling the truth and that they ARE shaving cuts and caterpillar reaction resulting in scratches, or

(b) he and Allison had a fight which included Allison scratching him, and he, of course, realizes that it makes him look guilty of her murder, so he lies about the cause of the scratches, or

(c) he killed Allison and she scratched him during the assault, whatever that was - chokehold, strangle, smother, whatever.

One of those three would seem to be the case for the scratches.

If it was, in fact, option (b), then maybe, just maybe, (and here I'm just posing another possibility - not a theory) they had an almighty fight, including the scratching, following which Allison walks or runs out in a huff, to cool off. Hence the "walk" story, perhaps. And if she were then grabbed and killed by a third party, GBC would immediately panic, about everything, including the scratches, realizing that he would be incriminating himself. And perhaps the reason he called '000' so soon on that morning was that he knew she'd gone out in a huff and hadn't returned. Maybe the fight was during the night, and she went out in the small hours, and hence the call to NBC for help so he could go and look for her?

All that, of course, is pure supposition. Simply one POSSIBLE (not probable) explanation that would fit what we know.

But it does go to show that one can explain the facts that WE know in more than one way.

OK - brandy now on board, so back to bed...fftobed:

For some unknown reason, I don't see Allison as a person who would storm out in a huff. Possibility (b) means that she was so "huffed" that she proceded for another ??k until she got to where she was found. Not bad for a non-walker.

In GBC's only public interview, he said that Allison was fine when she went missing. Either way one looks at G's various reports, he is a liar.

 

[LauraMars]

As much as most of us are curious to know how Allison was killed, and the why and where, it's always going to be horrendous - what little we do know is that she was murdered.

To change the subject just for a bit...is anyone 'wearing it for Allison' today?

Here's a yellow song anyway

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[minni]

Yes, basically, that's the theory.

:floorlaugh: sounds pretty silly hey?

But it does make you think about GBC and his conniving frame of mind. This is a man, who by all accounts, is relentless in his pursuit of money, and women.

He has thought up every scam under the sun, I believe, in order to make money. I did the briefest of searches on ASIC and uncovered 11 (yes ELEVEN) different businesses, partnerships and trusts in his and his parents names, jointly most times. He has scammed so many people who aren't stupid because they themselves are in a good enough financial situation that they can invest in some of his lameass schemes. (it might appear they are stupid for believing him, but this might just be his one and only area of expertise......charming ********) So he possesses a fair amount of creativity and imagination.

He uses this same singular skill to get women (shudder, I'll never see it). But he does.

So we have a mind that is ALWAYS on the go. I dont think a man like this, when he is going after something he wants, whether it be a business idea, or a 'chick he wants to pants', will find ANY IDEA TOO FAR FETCHED. If ihe can think it, well, he can do it. To me this personality trait of his screams out loud and clear.

Just ask him, he will tell you.......he's special

So, while I am certainly not saying he did this, I am saying that if he considered it (which, IMO, its possible he considered a million ways to kill his wife) then he would have believed in himself enough to try it.

 

[BJsleuth]

Ricin taken (or given) orally is often not too much of a problem, as it is denatured by the enzymes in the human GI tract. Yes, it can cause vomiting, diarrhoea, gastric bleeding etc. But it is much more effective as a toxin when given systemically - either by intramuscular injection (like the Georgi Markov umbrella murder) or intravenously.

I have thought and posted previously that the chipped tooth might have been from something being forced into Allison's mouth like a bottle, but I wasn't thinking in terms of something like ricin. It is nowhere near quick enough. And those poisons that are quick enough are usually detectable at autopsy and toxicology.

While the idea sounds like it could be feasible, I think that the odds would be against something as elaborate as making ricin (or even just the castor bean mash) then making Allison ingest it, then waiting for a few days for it to take effect while she got progressively more ill. She certainly wouldn't have been well enough to visit the hairdressers that night, that's for sure...

Thanks. Yeah, the time it would take is the biggest issue I have with that theory too. He would have had to have given it to her after the hairdresser and then left her because from the next morning, the police were an almost constant presence, he wouldn't have risked going back there.