Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #41

[bearbear]

maybe ow had spent the night at gbcs, could have been babysitting? also what time did gbc call allisons parents telling them allison had gone, was it the same morning?

 

[Obsessor]

maybe ow had spent the night at gbcs, could have been babysitting? also what time did gbc call allisons parents telling them allison had gone, was it the same morning?

It would seem unlikely that OW had slept the night according to Allison telling the hairdresser that she had the night off, but maybe?? Were OW's children in town at the time?

 

[bearbear]

unless she was minding them so allison and gbc could go for a meal after the hair apt or maybe if her children were in town, the girls had dinner with their cousins at the grandparents and she dropped them home later that night but there was a "situation" and she was needed to stay while things were sorted out?

 

[marlywings]

maybe ow had spent the night at gbcs, could have been babysitting? also what time did gbc call allisons parents telling them allison had gone, was it the same morning?

Yes it was the same morning he called Allison's parents although I don't recall the actual time of call being mentioned.

May 04, 2012

Speaking exclusively to The Courier-Mail yesterday, Mr Dickie and wife Priscilla recalled how life had become a nightmare since receiving the call from their son-in-law Gerard on Friday two weeks ago.

"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

"If she was going for a walk in the morning, she'd have walked on the side of the road around Brookfield. She wouldn't have ventured into the middle of the bush somewhere."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/grief-for-lost-daughter/story-fnat7jnn-1226346396720

 

[whitechapel]

"She said 'that Gerard told the girls shortly after 6am that mummy had gone for a walk and probably fell down a hole (and) would not be back'."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...baden-clays-face/story-e6freoof-1226537344568

So

• shortly after 6am - GBC tells the children that she probably fell down a hole and would not be back.
• shortly after 6am (6.20am) GBC sends Allison a txt - good morning, hope you slept well...

IMO...
It seems OW and GBC were not on the same 'version of events' page that morning.

What a load of codswollop (nonesense)
GBC - do everyone a favour, take a spoonful of concrete, harden up and TELL THE TRUTH.

 

[bearbear]

Yes it was the same morning he called Allison's parents although I don't recall the actual time of call being mentioned.

May 04, 2012

Speaking exclusively to The Courier-Mail yesterday, Mr Dickie and wife Priscilla recalled how life had become a nightmare since receiving the call from their son-in-law Gerard on Friday two weeks ago.

"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

"If she was going for a walk in the morning, she'd have walked on the side of the road around Brookfield. She wouldn't have ventured into the middle of the bush somewhere."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/grief-for-lost-daughter/story-fnat7jnn-1226346396720

how cruel! in my opinion, its like he had reached the point of not caring anymore, didnt break it gently. didnt care if they were hurt, lost that politeness and respect for them. probably how allison was treated, with contempt.
why didnt he just leave her! or was her death just seen as ok at this stage after years of beating her down, killing her slowly, she didnt matter anymore.
my opinion only.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

With full respect C&P, I think the comments were fair. As someone who knows nothing of this man except that he is Allisons brother-in-law, I am not commenting at all on the man or what he has done before the murder, or since. Your opinion there is probably very accurate and I respect that, but your question, how would you react? that is the point that has disturbed me sooo much.
As I said, I would be devastated, in a state of disbelief and horror. Murder?? of a middle class mother of 3??? Incomprehensible.
I would also be supportive and thankful of the police, the SES, the volunteers, the grieving public, and doing what I could to help and thank.
I would be vowing to help the family; GBC and the girls as much as I could.
I would realise the long road of grief and rebuilding that was before everyone involved, and I would be concentraing on that rather than slinging abuse towards outsiders. I think most people would be the same.

I do believe that what he wrote was insensitive and poorly chosen. I know it was not written for the greater public, but nonetheless, if you write something on social media you expect it to be read, and he could have been so different with what he said and how he said it. After all, he was experienced at public speaking.

It matters not in the scheme of things. As you say, GBC appears guilty of this crime from what we have heard, and we all wonder for how long his family will unwaiveringly support him.

There is just something very off about the whole piece, especially if this family cared for Allison deeply. I'm afraid his choice of words doesn't sound as if they did.

My opinion only.

I sincerely hope I haven't offended anyone.

This lot make the Addams Family look normal.:twocents:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

IMO just a gormless twit doing what gormless twits do
Jump on the double-barrelled bandwagon and get manipulated
IMOIMOIMOIMO

I think we've figured out who wears the pants in that family :twocents:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Thank-you Marleywings. That is exactly what I was looking for. Shortly after 6am.
You are a gem.

I don't think this proves OW was there at 0600. She was repeating to Police what her brother told his daughters. He may have told her - she wasn't necessarily present at the time. :twocents:

 

[Aberline_1979]

how cruel! in my opinion, its like he had reached the point of not caring anymore, didnt break it gently. didnt care if they were hurt, lost that politeness and respect for them. probably how allison was treated, with contempt.
why didnt he just leave her! or was her death just seen as ok at this stage after years of beating her down, killing her slowly, she didnt matter anymore.
my opinion only.

He probably didn't even think about the fact that he'd have to call her parents after he allegedly (blah blah blah) killed her. I'm sure he only remembered minutes before the police arrived and thought "oh! I'd better tell someone on THAT side of the family...". Heck, it was probably one of his daughters who reminded him, IMO :twocents:

As for the call itself...I expect the content of it will be "fascinating" to say the least. One can only speculate, but I wonder if he even referred to his wife as "Allison" during the call, or if he simply said "YOUR daughter is missing, etc etc etc"?

 

[Curiousasacat]

Public donates $140,000 to help alleged murder victim Allison Baden-Clay's three young children

http://www.news.com.au/national/public-gift-to-allisons-kids/story-fndo4ckr-1226552662018

 

[Mountain Misst]

Public donates $140,000 to help alleged murder victim Allison Baden-Clay's three young children

http://www.news.com.au/national/public-gift-to-allisons-kids/story-fndo4ckr-1226552662018

Following a conviction, the $600,000 of Allison's assets will surely provide the girls with a good start in life.

 

[LadyBird1]

Yes it was the same morning he called Allison's parents although I don't recall the actual time of call being mentioned.

May 04, 2012

Speaking exclusively to The Courier-Mail yesterday, Mr Dickie and wife Priscilla recalled how life had become a nightmare since receiving the call from their son-in-law Gerard on Friday two weeks ago.

"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

"If she was going for a walk in the morning, she'd have walked on the side of the road around Brookfield. She wouldn't have ventured into the middle of the bush somewhere."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/grief-for-lost-daughter/story-fnat7jnn-1226346396720

"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

Insensitive in the extreme.
That's ALL he said.

No call for help from in-laws, no anxiety, no explanations as to what he GBC had actually done to find her. Or fear that she might have met foul play.

Seems like GBC is mechanically getting through all the "must so" things on his "to do" list for his missing person case.

Just dispense with the niceties and get to the point.
Sounds like another sleep deprived action. IMO.

 

[LadyBird1]

I don't think this proves OW was there at 0600. She was repeating to Police what her brother told his daughters. He may have told her - she wasn't necessarily present at the time. :twocents:

This is true. When the shortly after 6am time was mentioned, it might require a little latitude say 5 to 10 minutes either side of 6am.

I would like to present a new a new time frame of events including the "whoopsies"
such as have been supplied by verifiable sources.

(If not presented by self, then another person here.) because that time line itself appears to be becoming slightly clearer.

 

[Fuskier]

Public donates $140,000 to help alleged murder victim Allison Baden-Clay's three young children

http://www.news.com.au/national/public-gift-to-allisons-kids/story-fndo4ckr-1226552662018

An excerpt from the above article informs that new documents have been filed in Brisbane's District Court where a lawyer for the children is seeking "adequate provision" from Allison's estate for the couple's three children, aged six, nine and 11. If GBC was convicted, the children would be substitute beneficiaries. If acquitted, likely GBC would inherit all proceeds. The children's litigation guardian has asked for the application to be stayed until after GBC court case is finalised. Good to see that legal moves have been made to secure the financial future of the children in this tragic situation. My opinion only.

 

[GEANIE]

"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

Insensitive in the extreme.
That's ALL he said.

No call for help from in-laws, no anxiety, no explanations as to what he GBC had actually done to find her. Or fear that she might have met foul play.

Seems like GBC is mechanically getting through all the "must so" things on his "to do" list for his missing person case.

Just dispense with the niceties and get to the point.
Sounds like another sleep deprived action. IMO.

Think the niceties blew out the window the day T M wafted in the door!!!!!
The only thing to be dispenced of was sadly Allison herself.......

INSENSITIVE IN THE EXTREME is putting it mildly to say the least.:jail::banghead:

 

[Fuskier]

Given the ages of the BC/Dickie daughters would the eldest be moving on to IGGS in 2013?
Interesting, given GBC's alleged financial difficulties before Allison's murder, there would have been no money available to send the eldest DTR to IGGS. Allegedly it was Allison's ambition that her girls attend IGGS. It would have been a major disappointment for Allison to find out that there was no money to send her DTR to IGGS in 2013. My opinion only.

 

[GEANIE]

Given the ages of the BC/Dickie daughters would the eldest be moving on to IGGS in 2013?
Interesting, given GBC's alleged financial difficulties before Allison's murder, there would have been no money available to send the eldest DTR to IGGS. Allegedly it was Allison's ambition that her girls attend IGGS. It would have been a major disappointment for Allison to find out that there was no money to send her DTR to IGGS in 2013. My opinion only.

Hope this is allowed......

It would be difficult choice to separate the girls so early on....The eldest would most surly have to be a boarder at IGGS....her siblings would surely miss her.....Wonder what GBC would think....I hope he has no controll over what Allisons parents think is best though.

Would be a hard call.....:banghead:
I feel the agony of their summing up what is in the best interest for all concerned.....

 

[Groundedgirl]

how cruel! in my opinion, its like he had reached the point of not caring anymore, didnt break it gently. didnt care if they were hurt, lost that politeness and respect for them. probably how allison was treated, with contempt.
why didnt he just leave her! or was her death just seen as ok at this stage after years of beating her down, killing her slowly, she didnt matter anymore.
my opinion only.

I have a feeling he thought no one would care, she would be gone and life would go on (his anyway) as usual, with a bit extra money as well. He was probably shocked with the reaction, which explains the low profile at the funeral and hiding from police..

He certainly did not realise the quality of our qps!

 

[LadyBird1]

I would like to present a new a new time frame of events such as have been supplied by verifiable sources. including the "whoopsies" or faux pas

This time frame or skeleton frame May be amended as further information becomes available.

12 April 2012 GBC was alleged to have phoned insurers about his wife's life insurance policy.

18 April 2012 Google-searched the American term "taking the Fifth" about the right to remain silent.

19 April 2012

8.45pm 19 April 2012 GBC's phone was removed from its charger.

10.00pm A woman's muffled screams were heard by neighbours.

10.00pm Dogs were heard barking in the same vicinity as the woman's screams.

12.00MN 20 April 2012

12.320am Shortly after midnight, Phone was allegedly used to call his father's phone via a "face time" call, which allows both parties to see each other and talk.

01.48am 20 April: Police allege Mr Baden-Clay’s phone was returned to the charger.

06.00am (Give a take a few minutes) Shortly after 6am the children were told Mummy had fallen down a hole and wouldn't be back.

06.15am GBC "woke up."

06.18am - Phone removed from charger

06.20am: GBC sent a text message to Allison saying: “Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G”

06.41am: GBC sent second text message “Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn’t say either? The children now up. I’m dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G”.06.51am

06.51am Defence barrister Peter Davis said Telstra phone records showed it was possible someone had used Mrs Baden-Clay's mobile phone in the Fig Tree Pocket area

07.09am: Police allege GBC searched the term ‘self incrimination’ on the Internet.

07.14am - Accessed the Queensland Police Service home page

07.15am - GBC Called 000

08.00am - Constable Ash & Constable Leah Hammond arrive at the house in response to 000 call..

08.45am - Two senior officers arrived

09.34am: Police allege GBC searched ‘psychiatrists Brisbane West’ on his
phone.

09.54am: Police commenced the investigation into Allison’s disappearance

10.14am: Triangulation of Mrs Baden-Clay's phone showed the handset was possibly in a four-kilometre radius to her home.

3.00pm: A second triangulation of Mrs Baden-Clay's phone returned the same result. A crime scene was declared at the Baden-Clay home and yard.

A crime scene was declared at the Baden-Clay home and yard. Mr Baden-Clay was asked to give a formal statement as part of the missing Person investigation. Police said he obtained legal advice and declined to be formally interviewed.