Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #41

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  • #181
I have a feeling he thought no one would care, she would be gone and life would go on (his anyway) as usual, with a bit extra money as well. He was probably shocked with the reaction, which explains the low profile at the funeral and hiding from police..

He certainly did not realise the quality of our qps!

Yes!!! BUSINESS AS USUAL.....he has to be thick as two fridge doors.....:banghead:
The fact he never spoke at the funeral showed he didn't give a rat's even if the Dickies excuised him.....a shallow and concieted man.....somethings never change......:jail:
 
  • #182
06.00am OW was at the GBC household, when the children were told Mummy had fallen down a hole and wouldn't be back.

LadyBird1....just to clarify the above. The report doesn't state OW was at the house at 6am. It does say...shortly after 6am GBC told the girls their mum had fallen down a hole etc. To date, we don't know what time OW actually arrived at the house.
 
  • #183
LadyBird1....just to clarify the above. The report doesn't state OW was at the house at 6am. It does say...shortly after 6am GBC told the girls their mum had fallen down a hole etc. To date, we don't know what time OW actually arrived at the house.

Thank-you Marlywings. You are perfectly correct. The report does not state OW was at the house at 6am. That is an assumption.
I would like this account to be totally factual, as per the verifiable information available.
I have not added my personal opinions or assumptions for the same reason.
I would have liked to add the telephone call to the Dickies together with a time.
All we know is the telephone call did occur, and we know the precise contents. No embellishments.
"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.
 
  • #184
Yes!!! BUSINESS AS USUAL.....he has to be thick as two fridge doors.....:banghead:
The fact he never spoke at the funeral showed he didn't give a rat's even if the Dickies excuised him.....a shallow and concieted man.....somethings never change......:jail:

I will never buy the line that he too upset to speak at the funeral.
A dear lady friend was totally unable to speak at her husband's funeral. Too broken, too choked up for words to flow coherently in public.
So she tape recorded her very personal goodbye speech during the days leading up to the funeral. It was beautiful, and end ended with "Goodbye my darling. I will always love you."
That's where everybody else choked up.

I suspect he was banned from carrying the casket. The family knew a lot more than they can safely say.
 
  • #185
I agree Obsessor and apologies C&P but from nearly day 1 of the murder investigation all we heard was how horribly the media was treating the BC family. The BC family were literally running away from the media. And yes, there is no doubt the media are intrusive and bullish but GBC had long courted them in his quest to raise his profile in the community and suddenly he is not interested in being the centre of attention. The media were held at arms length and the whole family were holed up at the senior BC house - their choice. They had nothing to say fair enough but when they do speak - its not to ask for leads find the perpertrator - its to complain about their treatment and how unfairly their side of the story has been portrayed. Victims of the cameras and the media machinations. It is good to know that the house abounds with abounding love and deep grief but it is too much to show the media? Understandable given the situation. And actions can speak louder than words.
But - it is when IW decides to start with the propaganda 'the salacious rumours and crocodile tears'- what rumours and what crocodile tears. Allisons plight was universally identifiable. A dedicated, devoted mother stolen from her babies. In its purest form -Allison's death/murder was beyond tragedy and heartbreak. The wake of devastation it left for the girls, the Dickies, family, friends and community-how could this be described as the media masquerading crocodile tears? Are we going to blame cheap unthinking journalism for the salacious rumours? - To my mind the respect the media paid Allison, her family (BC's included) and the police was first class - where were the unsubstantiated rumours or the so called name calling - I think we were all surprised at the empathy and fairness of the media reporting.
Imprisoned in their house - well even body language and a sad thoughtful demeanor would have given the media insight to the BC's family's feelings. The media certainly didn't have to second guess what the Dickies were thinking of feeling.
"IW doth protest too much, methinks." - the salacious rumours? was GBC having an affair, was GBC going to leave Allison, did the BC family know about TM? Were the BC family looking after Allison because she suffered depression? Are these the rumours or is IW highlighting more to come....

I guess we will find out!


agree agree agree .....
 
  • #186
LadyBird1....just to clarify the above. The report doesn't state OW was at the house at 6am. It does say...shortly after 6am GBC told the girls their mum had fallen down a hole etc. To date, we don't know what time OW actually arrived at the house.

Sometime with-in the next couple days, I would like to paint a time frame of events as per GBC.
 
  • #187
Thank-you Marlywings. You are perfectly correct. The report does not state OW was at the house at 6am. That is an assumption.
I would like this account to be totally factual, as per the verifiable information available.
I have not added my personal opinions or assumptions for the same reason.
I would have liked to add the telephone call to the Dickies together with a time.
All we know is the telephone call did occur, and we know the precise contents. No embellishments.
"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

Yes its true we don't know for sure - and being a concerned father (I am but attempting to step into those shoes) I would have called GBC until the cow's come home. So I can only imagine that Geoffs calls to GBC were blocked after that call to let him know about Allisons whereabouts. NO father would take that piece of info and let it be - let alone the Dickies.

Then when did the cleaner pop over - I am sure NBC was there from the wee morning hours - working the angles, fixing the alibi, tweaking the crime scene all in the name of getting the family over 'Allison'.
 
  • #188
This time frame or skeleton frame May be amended as further information becomes available.

12 April 2012 GBC was alleged to have phoned insurers about his wife's life insurance policy.

18 April 2012 Google-searched the American term "taking the Fifth" about the right to remain silent.

19 April 2012

8.45pm 19 April 2012 GBC's phone was removed from its charger.

10.00pm A woman's muffled screams were heard by neighbours.

10.00pm Dogs were heard barking in the same vicinity as the woman's screams.

12.00MN 20 April 2012

12.320am Shortly after midnight, Phone was allegedly used to call his father's phone via a "face time" call, which allows both parties to see each other and talk.

01.48am 20 April: Police allege Mr Baden-Clay’s phone was returned to the charger.

06.00am (Give a take a few minutes) Shortly after 6am the children were told Mummy had fallen down a hole and wouldn't be back.

06.15am GBC "woke up."

06.18am - Phone removed from charger

06.20am: GBC sent a text message to Allison saying: “Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G”

06.41am: GBC sent second text message “Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn’t say either? The children now up. I’m dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G”.06.51am

06.51am Defence barrister Peter Davis said Telstra phone records showed it was possible someone had used Mrs Baden-Clay's mobile phone in the Fig Tree Pocket area

07.09am: Police allege GBC searched the term ‘self incrimination’ on the Internet.

07.14am - Accessed the Queensland Police Service home page

07.15am - GBC Called 000

08.00am - Constable Ash & Constable Leah Hammond arrive at the house in response to 000 call..

08.45am - Two senior officers arrived

09.34am: Police allege GBC searched ‘psychiatrists Brisbane West’ on his
phone.

09.54am: Police commenced the investigation into Allison’s disappearance

10.14am: Triangulation of Mrs Baden-Clay's phone showed the handset was possibly in a four-kilometre radius to her home.

3.00pm: A second triangulation of Mrs Baden-Clay's phone returned the same result. A crime scene was declared at the Baden-Clay home and yard.

A crime scene was declared at the Baden-Clay home and yard. Mr Baden-Clay was asked to give a formal statement as part of the missing Person investigation. Police said he obtained legal advice and declined to be formally interviewed.

Hi Ladybird1 I thought the muffled screams were heard else where , some distance away . The neighbors of the BC residence heard a loud argument at around 10 pm . I think they were interviewed at length . . I could be wrong tho . If they were I think their evidence will be very telling . Also I have just watched the film 'gaslight' . It's all there .. The greed , the psychological abuse , the mistress . Worth a watch but a warning ...it will enrage
 
  • #189
Hi Ladybird1 I thought the muffled screams were heard else where , some distance away . The neighbors of the BC residence heard a loud argument at around 10 pm . I think they were interviewed at length . . I could be wrong tho . If they were I think their evidence will be very telling . Also I have just watched the film 'gaslight' . It's all there .. The greed , the psychological abuse , the mistress . Worth a watch but a warning ...it will enrage

Am pleased to see you have been watching Gaslight. I believe the term "Gaslighting" has been derived from the film.
Makes me think about the diary entries again.

Re neighbours, the Courier Mail used that term, even though it appears they were 4 km away. It would be good to really grill that skeleton timeline! Then fill in the gaps with the muscles etc as they come to hand.

I should have included that 10pm loud argument. But seems like I can't edit any more. Drat!

Allison Baden-Clay's neighbours startled by screams in the night ...

www.couriermail.com.au/.../scream.../story-e6frep2f-122634166690...

Businessman Will Truter was watching television with his family when he heard two screams, then went out into the dark to investigate.

"While I was standing outside we heard a third sound,'' Mr Truter told The Sunday Mail from his Brookfield property, about 4km from Mrs Baden-Clay's home.

"It was like if someone was screaming and someone kept a hand over their mouth. That was the last we heard.''

One of his neighbours who heard the same screams shouted she was going to call the police then phoned Mr Truter to check his family was all right, he revealed.

Mr Truter, who went to police last Saturday after seeing news reports of the disappearance, lives in a house near Rafting Ground Rd, a half-hour walk from Mrs Baden-Clay's Brookfield Rd house.

The screams were heard about 10pm Thursday, April 19, about the same time Mrs Baden-Clay's husband, Gerard, told police he last saw his wife at their rented home.
 
  • #190
Sometime with-in the next couple days, I would like to paint a time frame of events as per GBC.
10.00pm 19 April 2012 GBC told Police he had last seen his wife, when he left Mrs Baden-Clay watching The Footy Show and went to bed.

06.15am April 20, GBC woke up. Mrs Baden-Clay was not in the house but he didn't think that was unusual and assumed she was taking her normal morning walk.

06.20am: GBC sent a text message to Allison saying: “Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G”

06.41am: GBC sent second text message “Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn’t say either? The children now up. I’m dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G”.

07.15am GBC made emergency call 000 to report his wife missing. "I don't want to be alarmist. I tried the 131 number but it went on forever," he told the operator. "My, my wife isn't home . . . I don't know where she is."

Asked when he last saw her, he said the previous night.

"And I got up ah this morning and she, she wasn't there. And that's not unusual. She, she often goes for a walk in the morning . . . I've texted her and called her a number of times."

GBC told the operator his wife had a seminar in the city and she was planning to leave by 7am. "I'm now driving the streets. My, my father's come over and, to look after the children," he said.

Responding to questions from the operator, he described his wife and says has "blondey, browney, redish" hair just "done" the previous night.

08.00am 20 April 2012 - Constable Kieron Ash & Constable Leah Hammond from Indooroopilly station arrived at the house in response to 000 call.

He told investigating officers he was a heavy sleeper and was not aware if Mrs Baden-Clay had come to bed that night or not. GBC told Constable Ash his wife went for a walk each morning for around 2km but he was not sure what time she got up that morning because she "sometimes slept on the couch" or in another room.

22 April GBC crashes a borrowed car into a bus terminal at Indooroopilly Shopping Centre.

26 April 2012 Police search GBC's Century 21 Real Estate office in Taringa.

29 April GBC attends church with his three daughters and then spends one hour at Indooroopilly police station receiving an update from police on the search for his wife.

30 April 2012 Police reveal a body has been found by a canoeist under the Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead about 11am.

1 May 2012 Police confirm the body discovered is that of Allison Baden-Clay.

11 May 2012 Allison Baden-Clay's funeral is held in Ipswich and attended by hundreds.

30 May 2012 Police receive toxicology reports from Brisbane's John Tonge Centre, but remain tight lipped about the results.
 
  • #191
Sometime with-in the next couple days, I would like to paint a time frame of events as per GBC.

Take Two

12 April, 2012 Police allege Mr Baden-Clay inquired about one of Mrs Baden-Clay's life insurance policies but was given no information as he was not a policy holder.

17 April, 2012 Police allege the Baden-Clay financial adviser made a "further query" on a life insurance policy held by Mrs Baden-Clay.

18 April, 2012 At 10.08pm, police allege Mr Baden-Clay searched "taking the fifth", which led to results including 'self incrimination', which he accessed through Wikipedia.

19 April, 2012 Mr Baden-Clay and his alleged mistress, Toni McHugh, have a conversation in the afternoon about their relationship's future.

6.30pm 19 April 2012, Mrs Baden-Clay leaves her local Kenmore hairdresser. The hairdresser told police Mrs Baden-Clay was having her hair done because she planned to attend a real estate conference the following day. Police said the hairdresser told them "it was unusual from conversations she had with the deceased about having her hair done for the event that she would go walking or exercising prior to attending the conference".

10.00pm 19 April 2012 GBC told Police he had last seen his wife, when he left Mrs Baden-Clay watching The Footy Show and went to bed.

("Gerard told Ms McHugh that he slept most nights on the couch in the living room," Ms McHugh told police.)

He told investigating officers he was a heavy sleeper and was not aware if Mrs Baden-Clay had come to bed that night or not.

06.00am 20 April Approximate time he told the children Mummy had fallen down a hole and won't be back.

06.15am 20 April, Mrs Baden-Clay was not in the house but he didn't think that was unusual and assumed she was taking her normal morning walk.

06.20am 20 April: GBC sent a text message to Allison saying: “Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G”

06.41am 20 April: GBC sent second text message “Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn’t say either? The children now up. I’m dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G”.

06.51am Defence barrister Peter Davis said Telstra phone records showed it was possible someone had used Mrs Baden-Clay's mobile phone in the Fig Tree Pocket area

07.09am: Police allege GBC searched the term ‘self incrimination’ on the Internet.

07.14am - Accessed the Queensland Police Service home page

07.15am GBC makes emergency call 000 to report his wife missing.
"I don't want to be alarmist. I tried the 131 number but it went on forever," he told the operator. "My, my wife isn't home . . . I don't know where she is."

Asked when he last saw her, he said the previous night.

"And I got up ah this morning and she, she wasn't there. And that's not unusual. She, she often goes for a walk in the morning . . . I've texted her and called her a number of times."

Baden-Clay told the operator his wife had a seminar in the city and she was planning to leave by 7am.

"I'm now driving the streets. My, my father's come over and, to look after the children," he said.

Responding to questions from the operator, he described his wife and says has "blondey, browney, redish" hair just "done" the previous night.




08.00am - Constable Kieron Ash & Constable Leah Hammond from Indooroopilly station arrived at the house in response to 000 call..

Constable Ash said he first saw a woman he now knows to be Baden-Clay's sister Olivia Walton walk three children down the stairs and put them in a car.
Baden-Clay told Constable Ash his wife went for a walk each morning for around 2km but he was not sure what time she got up that morning because she "sometimes slept on the couch" or in another room.

"I then asked Gerard if everything was OK between him and Allison? Gerard then said 'Look there is something I should tell you'. He then explained . . . He had recently admitted to having an affair with another female. Gerard said 'because I have had an affair things aren't great between Allison and I . . . She no longer trusts me'."

Baden-Clay asked for the information to be kept confidential "stating that his father and sister did not know" about the affair.

Constable Ash asked Baden-Clay how he came to get the scratches on his face, the statement says.

"He said 'I cut myself shaving this morning as I was in a hurry, trying to get the girls ready'," the documents say.

Inside the house Constable Ash "could not see any evidence of tissues, towels or blood that was consistent with Gerard previously stating that the scratches on his face was a shaving cut he had received that morning".

Outside the house, Constable Ash made a phone call to a senior officer and said he was "uncomfortable with the version" Baden-Clay had offered, the statement says.


08.45am - Two senior officers arrived and began talking to Baden-Clay, whose sister Ms Walton returned to the home.

"I asked her (OW) what the girls had been told this morning," Constable Ash said.

"She said 'that Gerard told the girls shortly after 6am that mummy had gone for a walk and probably fell down a hole (and) would not be back'."

09.34am: Police allege GBC searched ‘psychiatrists Brisbane West’ on his Phone.

8.30am 21 April 2012 went to the Kenmore Clinics Medical Practice. He asked Dr Candice Beaven to look at cuts on his face.

12md (after) 21 April That afternoon, Baden-Clay went to a clinic in Taringa and again asked a doctor to look at scratches.

11.00am 30 April 2012 Police reveal a body has been found by a canoeist under the Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead.

1 May 2012 Police confirm the body discovered is that of Allison Baden-Clay.

11 May 2012 Allison Baden-Clay's funeral is held in Ipswich and attended by hundreds.

Approximately May 2012 "GBC called Mr Flegg and asked about the media report about the Kenmore roundabout and whether there is a camera there.
 
  • #192
Sometime with-in the next couple days, I would like to paint a time frame of events as per GBC.

The GBC version without QPS or community intervention.


10.00pm 19 April 2012 GBC told Police he had last seen his wife, when he left Mrs Baden-Clay watching The Footy Show and went to bed.

06.15am April 20, GBC woke up. Mrs Baden-Clay was not in the house but he didn't think that was unusual and assumed she was taking her normal morning walk.

06.20am 20 April 2012 : GBC sent a text message to Allison saying: “Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G”

06.41am 20 April 2012: GBC sent second text message “Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn’t say either? The children now up. I’m dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G”.

07.15am 20 April 2012: GBC made emergency call 000 to report his wife missing.

29 April 2012 GBC attends church with his three daughters.

11.00am 30 April 2012 Police reveal a body has been found by a canoeist under the Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead

1 May 2012 Police confirm the body discovered is that of Allison Baden-Clay.

11 May 2012 Allison Baden-Clay's funeral is held in Ipswich and attended by hundreds.

The End Snipped
 
  • #193
Sometime with-in the next couple days, I would like to paint a time frame of events as per GBC.

My apologies for the three separate GBC versions. The more I searched the more inconsistencies became evident.
In the end I didn't know if I was coming or going.
 
  • #194
Just a thought. We cannot say that Allison's diary was 'private' when GBC and possibly others may have had access to it. It could be in the interest of the alleged killer to 'deflect' public perception on to the affair with TMcH, Allison's depression, her feelings about the affair and possible suicide. However, this may mask the more crucial issue of: "Where has all the money gone?". Allison was successful in her own right before she ever married GBC. Despite a degree of depression, she appears to have managed multi-skilling the care of 3 primary school age children with after school interests, the household, her part-time work, forging a new career at Pathways along with being a dutiful wife. This is evidence of a competent woman. It is possible that she wanted to know where all the money had gone. Her eldest DTR was due to start at IGGS in 2013. I doubt that she would be so consumed with the affair that this aspect would escape her. Her enquiries about the money might have inflammed an argument with GBC who was already 'burning' given his alleged financial situation, business situation and personal life situation. My opinion only.
 
  • #195
Following a conviction, the $600,000 of Allison's assets will surely provide the girls with a good start in life.

...Okay Gerard, under the circumstances ..... your strong affair and all, how about you assign your rights to all of Allison's insurance assets etc to your three daughters .... now. There is a legal way that the money could be allocated to their needs as required. JMO
 
  • #196
My apologies for the three separate GBC versions. The more I searched the more inconsistencies became evident.
In the end I didn't know if I was coming or going.

Gbc probably felt the same that day.
 
  • #197
Just a thought. We cannot say that Allison's diary was 'private' when GBC and possibly others may have had access to it. It could be in the interest of the alleged killer to 'deflect' public perception on to the affair with TMcH, Allison's depression, her feelings about the affair and possible suicide. However, this may mask the more crucial issue of: "Where has all the money gone?". Allison was successful in her own right before she ever married GBC. Despite a degree of depression, she appears to have managed multi-skilling the care of 3 primary school age children with after school interests, the household, her part-time work, forging a new career at Pathways along with being a dutiful wife. This is evidence of a competent woman. It is possible that she wanted to know where all the money had gone. Her eldest DTR was due to start at IGGS in 2013. I doubt that she would be so consumed with the affair that this aspect would escape her. Her enquiries about the money might have inflammed an argument with GBC who was already 'burning' given his alleged financial situation, business situation and personal life situation. My opinion only.

It is my belief that the diary was left for one reason. Proof positive that Allison was suicidal with sufficient reason. Inability to cope with the affair.
What he failed to twig was the QPS aren't as dumb as he expected. Also, Queenslanders aren't a bunch of idiots. Then there is a vast Online Army for Allison who can see things for what they were.
This diary IMO is proof positive of the Narcissistic Sociopath Gaslighter which Allison was living with.
 
  • #198
Re neighbours, the Courier Mail used that term, even though it appears they were 4 km away. It would be good to really grill that skeleton timeline! Then fill in the gaps with the muscles etc as they come to hand.

I should have included that 10pm loud argument. But seems like I can't edit any more. Drat!

Allison Baden-Clay's neighbours startled by screams in the night ...

www.couriermail.com.au/.../scream.../story-e6frep2f-122634166690...

Businessman Will Truter was watching television with his family when he heard two screams, then went out into the dark to investigate.

"While I was standing outside we heard a third sound,'' Mr Truter told The Sunday Mail from his Brookfield property, about 4km from Mrs Baden-Clay's home.

"It was like if someone was screaming and someone kept a hand over their mouth. That was the last we heard.''

One of his neighbours who heard the same screams shouted she was going to call the police then phoned Mr Truter to check his family was all right, he revealed.

Mr Truter, who went to police last Saturday after seeing news reports of the disappearance, lives in a house near Rafting Ground Rd, a half-hour walk from Mrs Baden-Clay's Brookfield Rd house.

The screams were heard about 10pm Thursday, April 19, about the same time Mrs Baden-Clay's husband, Gerard, told police he last saw his wife at their rented home.

I'm pretty sure that the screams that Will Truter heard - and he lives way up on the hill past the Winrock St roundabout on Rafting Ground Rd - have been discounted as teenagers skylarking.

The loud argument, on the other hand, allegedly heard by the real neighbours of the GBC house (which presumably would be those up behind them, where Scraps the dog lives) have not been denied or discounted as far as I know.

The argument and the screams are two different things - I'm fairly sure.
 
  • #199
Gbc probably felt the same that day.

My thoughts exactly.....imagine the lies he told Allison when hooking up with his ( Bits on the side )
He would have been in a state when police arrived....
I have a book 'HELL on the way to HEAVEN' by Chrissie Foster......unrelated to this case but that is what I imagine Allison going through...'HELL on the way to HEAVEN' :jail::banghead: R I P Allison.

Hope this does not appear twice as power went off just as tried to send earlier......
 
  • #200
I'm pretty sure that the screams that Will Truter heard - and he lives way up on the hill past the Winrock St roundabout on Rafting Ground Rd - have been discounted as teenagers skylarking.

The loud argument, on the other hand, allegedly heard by the real neighbours of the GBC house (which presumably would be those up behind them, where Scraps the dog lives) have not been denied or discounted as far as I know.

The argument and the screams are two different things - I'm fairly sure.

There was talk of teenagers skylarking, true. But I have never heard that story was officially confirmed or denied.
I would have thought, given the circumstances, it would have been front page headlines, together with some red faced teens apologizing, and explaining their actions. And acknowledging the seriousness of said skylarking, circumstances being what they were.
Then the QPS making a statement to the effect the screams were teens skylarking.
There have been plenty of Red Herrings deliberately thrown arown around from day one. All casting doubt on the Crown's case.
The most important thing appears to be how "evidences" stand up in court.
 
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