Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

[Mountain Misst]

And on another completely different note:
Somewhere between now and when, I am going to re-construct that all important scene,
on a table in front of my own eyes, using marked matchboxes or toy cars, (or whatever), including the wide driveway, and see if I can visualize the scene.
Any one else is welcome to play this "game."
Named a visual re-construction.
If I am not mistaken, even the QPI officer requested confirmation of a certain vehicle.
Something suspicious, need to clarify.

There is a Channel 9 news video, Ladybird1 - with aerial views of the property in Brookvale taken in the arvo when Allison was reported missing - for the evening news. It is probably on the media page if you look. Here is a still-shot that I have on file. Self-explanatory, I would think.

 

[Couldbe]

Wondering if the reverse parking that went on that morning was a normal occurrence when parking at their household; someone would no doubt have noted it previously. In the Interview transcript, when GBC was asked which vehicle Allison drove, it is transcribed as 'indistinct' (mumbling?). Wonder which vehicle Allison drove home from the hairdresser that night......CCTV at the roundabout should have recorded it, along with whether she didn't travel along Brookfield Rd, but turned into Moggill Rd and proceeded to the BC parents' home where it seems her children may have been (GBC said the children were in the pool when he and TM talked earlier on their mobiles...he had the sausages).
There must be just so much other info that the Detectives possess..... and will come out at the Trial.

 

[they'll get you]

pre-trial 3-4 February

Only 4 sleeps to go !!

Any tweeters handy?
Looking forward to any news.

 

[BreakingNews]

pre-trial 3-4 February

Only 4 sleeps to go !!

Any tweeters handy?
Looking forward to any news.

I will most likely get there on the 3rd at least. Can't tweet, but can use tapatalk. I'm assuming it will be in the Supreme Courts, but can anyone verify that it is the pre-trial hearing on those dates; then 24 Feb is pre-trial recording of evidence?

:jail::jail::jail:

 

[alioop]

BN you are right with those dates.

 

[they'll get you]

Eventually everyone in that C21 office knew of the continuing affair including the senior BC's because they both worked there so did they turn a blind eye and condone the affair? His parents should have had the guts to openly show their disgust towards this for the children's sake because they helped create the monster.

How many of us would have done the same thing?
Kind of a sticky problem unless they knew the marriage was doomed.

 

[Couldbe]

Eventually everyone in that C21 office knew of the continuing affair including the senior BC's because they both worked there so did they turn a blind eye and condone the affair? His parents should have had the guts to openly show their disgust towards this for the children's sake because they helped create the monster.

How many of us would have done the same thing?
Kind of a sticky problem unless they knew the marriage was doomed.

They'll get you, another view they may have all held of the situation they were all in was that, financially, there was quite a bit of money invested in the C21 franchise and they would certainly not have wanted to lose it! .... flood and all .... making it difficult to balance the books!

Once TM left, Allison was then working in the business ...... thereby creating a positive attempt to help the finances. Alas, TM didn't really bow out! .... and still the financial situation was worsening to the point where GBC sought a $400,000 loan from Bruce Flegg / maybe others; to no avail.
If the business went bankrupt, then there was quite a number of people who stood to lose their hard-earned money too. Oh what to do! while still needing to keep up appearances; and with TM pressuring for GBC to be her's alone.

 

[Trooper]

pre-trial 3-4 February

Only 4 sleeps to go !!

Any tweeters handy?
Looking forward to any news.

I'm right behind you, TGY....


I am preparing myself for Gerard to plead guilty.....his barrister would have a whole lot of discovery documents by now, from the prosecutor.. the original defence floated was that Allison left of her own accord and managed somehow to hurl herself off a bridge 14 klms from home in the dark of night. He didn't get bail on this idea, so I think it will be dropped.

Gerard is running out of money (not that he hadn't run out of it long before ) and I imagine his lenders have run out of money , too. I don't know how Olivia's fund raising skills have developed over these past 2 years, but you cant get money from stone, eventually. I recall he didn't qualify for legal aid, but say he did, it would require a panel to judge what success he could have with a not guilty plea..it's public money.

It will be interesting to see how both Gerard and Toni have weathered this long tension-filled time, having to lay low, endure the days, day after day ..it cant be easy being publicly known as a nincompoop, in the very areas one promoted oneself as a smarty.

I would expect that a whole grandstand full of creditors, peculiar women, cranky ex work colleagues, etc., have worn a path to the prosecutors office over this interim time, all with stories of 1st class idiocy by both Gerard and Toni... financial idiocy, work related idiocy, sexual idiocy, and just all round general gob smacking relentless stupidity.

I would imagine that Toni unfolds that Yellow Jacket every now and then, wrapped carefully in tissue paper, and wonders what the ???

How odd that Toni. who was so forgiving of Gerard's extra curricular pants activity to the extent she bold faced lied to the Detectives, and had no intention of giving him up, that she could heap scorn on Allison for hanging in there too...

not long to go...... most , if not all, will eventually be made plain...

 

[Trooper]

One thing I forget as time goes on , is that Gerard has been charged with two crimes,,, the murder of Allison, and Interfering With Her Corpse, a repulsive concept, and nowhere do I find that this particular indictment has been dropped...

'Interfering ' with a corpse covers a whole lot of various events, and processes.....it's not an avenue that has been delved into on this forum, thank god, but there it is... on the charge sheet. killing wasn't enough, apparently

 

[Couldbe]

One thing I forget as time goes on , is that Gerard has been charged with two crimes,,, the murder of Allison, and Interfering With Her Corpse, a repulsive concept, and nowhere do I find that this particular indictment has been dropped...

'Interfering ' with a corpse covers a whole lot of various events, and processes.....it's not an avenue that has been delved into on this forum, thank god, but there it is... on the charge sheet. killing wasn't enough, apparently

Trooper, following I have typed out some details from the Autopsy Report:

'...... Most of the jumper is inside-out and the hands remain within the sleeves. It is somewhat twisted and wrapped around the neck to some degree. Both the collar and waistband regions of the jumper are in the neck region. The jumper is of a Bonds brand and size XL. The unusual position of the jumper may have occurred after death with movement of the body. It cannot be excluded that it was used as a ligature.'

My feeling is that both of the charges take in the possibilities talked about therein.... meaning that 'interfering with a corpse' could include:
a) placing the clothing on Allison following her actual death;
b) carrying Allison's body and depositing it (or dropping it) into a place wherein her 'corpse' was inhibited in its previous natural progression after death.

The Autopsy Report also makes reference to Allison's fingernails .... which were to be DNA tested.

 

[Trooper]

Trooper, following I have typed out some details from the Autopsy Report:

'...... Most of the jumper is inside-out and the hands remain within the sleeves. It is somewhat twisted and wrapped around the neck to some degree. Both the collar and waistband regions of the jumper are in the neck region. The jumper is of a Bonds brand and size XL. The unusual position of the jumper may have occurred after death with movement of the body. It cannot be excluded that it was used as a ligature.'

My feeling is that both of the charges take in the possibilities talked about therein.... meaning that 'interfering with a corpse' could include:
a) placing the clothing on Allison following her actual death;
b) carrying Allison's body and depositing it (or dropping it) into a place wherein her 'corpse' was inhibited in its previous natural progression after death.

The Autopsy Report also makes reference to Allison's fingernails .... which were to be DNA tested.

I always figured that Gerard dressed Allison in her 'walking clothes', or what he took to be so, removing the gear she was dressed in when he murdered her. because the story was already in momentum, in Gerard's little killers mind.... wife goes for walk, doesn't come back.... but wait, she has to be dressed for walking. She has to be found to collect the insurance money, but she cant be found in her nightie, or her hairdressers visiting outfit.... finding the body was very important to Gerard, otherwise it would have been a 7 year wait for a Declaration of Death.

Wouldn't surprise me if he actually forgot this detail and went back to where he offloaded her, with an armful of clobber to exchange on the body.... I put nothing past Gerard...

 

[Trooper]

Not that Gerard was the kinda guy to wait , for anything, really... he was ringing the insurance and superannuation firms in jig time..... while the search was still on, I recall. And not to forget, he rang those orgs BEFORE Allisons cruel murder ..and of course, Toni.... had to keep Toni right in the picture, instructions, bit of gorgeous guy and gorgeous girl talk, via his alter ego, Bruce Overland, plans, make doctors appointments re caterpillar scratches, crash a car, oh, busy busy busy, attend the local show....and then Back to Business!!

Who's bright idea was it to open another franchise?? I remember that pic of Our Boy all forlorn waiting for clients to stream in to his new office.......

 

[Trooper]

I will always wonder when, or if, it ever crossed Ms McHughs ditzy mind that Gerard was a killer.

Sadly, it probably never occurred to Allison.... not until that last breath. That's so unbearably poignant.

 

[BreakingNews]

I will always wonder when, or if, it ever crossed Ms McHughs ditzy mind that Gerard was a killer.

Sadly, it probably never occurred to Allison.... not until that last breath. That's so unbearably poignant.

Trooper - good to have you back. Thanks for your thought-provoking comments.

:jail: :jail: :jail: :jail: :jail: :jail:

 

[they'll get you]

Trooper - good to have you back. Thanks for your thought-provoking comments.

:jail: :jail: :jail: :jail: :jail: :jail:

Here here!

 

[Sor Juana]

Good afternoon, dear websleuths.
Just to mention in brief. I hope the police took notice that GBC did not clearly remember what Allison was up to that night, on the 19th, whether she went for a walk that night or next morning very early, but he was certain about what she had put on.

 

[Sor Juana]

does anyone remember if GBC spent any time overnite in hospital after his dreadful car crash at indooroopilly shopping centre?

Liadan, my understanding was GBC was released the same day. From hospital he went straight to his parents house. It was on the 22nd of April.

 

[Couldbe]

Good afternoon, dear websleuths.
Just to mention in brief. I hope the police took notice that GBC did not clearly remember what Allison was up to that night, on the 19th, whether she went for a walk that night or next morning very early, but he was certain about what she had put on.

Sor Juana, and he had that info at his fingertips when interviewed by Sergeant Jackson and Senior Sergeant Curtis that morning at approx 8.30 am. It seems that he wanted them to think that he had deduced that info by looking amongst her clothing to see which items were missing; because, as he said, he was aware that she always wore either of two outfits (black and a grey one).
..... In reply to a question on which one was missing, he said that the grey one was missing - 'her daggy old ---'.
He just had to mention also that she bought some new Lorna Jane ones in black. 'But they're here.'

...... before Allison bought the new Lorna Janes, it would be most likely that she had other clothes that she walked in ..... other than those outsized 'daggy old--', BUT it was easier for GBC to just talk about two of them, and thereby appear to deduce that she would have worn the grey outfit (which seemed to be highlighted in his mind for a particular reason!).

 

[possumheart]

Liadan, my understanding was GBC was released the same day. From hospital he went straight to his parents house. It was on the 22nd of April.

SJ this has been discussed at length in the past and the general conclusion is that G was in overnight. As mentioned below, hospitalisation usually means overnight. I was able to trace back to Marlywings agreeing something to the effect that it was overnight hospitalisation but the Courier had perhaps edited their online story in the interim and it had become less clear. Allison was still missing at this time and more focus was on her than on G's simpering, understandably.

Supt Ainsworth said Mr Baden-Clay was staying with his parents and had provided "a version to police in relation to specific matters" about a scratch on his face.
He said the Forensic Crash Unit was investigating after Mr Baden-Clay crashed his car into a bus terminal at Indooroopilly on Sunday, leaving him hospitalised with bruised ribs.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...urbs-of-brisbane/story-e6freoof-1226338302828

 

[Couldbe]

The mannequin that was dressed by Police and displayed to the Public showed that Allison was wearing a black top and medium grey knee length pants and sneakers.

According to the Autopsy Report, when her body was found, she was dressed in a grey jacket, purple singlet with incorporated bra with thin straps over the shoulders and dark coloured knee length pants.....not quite what was displayed on the mannequin!

In the GBC interview transcript, he mentioned the clothing that Allison was found in. Somewhere along the line, the mannequin was dressed in different clothing again......did he then give final details of her clothing ... as per the mannequin?

If GBC dressed Allison's body in the clothing following her death, I wonder why he would have bothered with a jacket, as well as a top.... would just take more time and effort.

...... so maybe, as stated as a possibility in the Autopsy Report, the jacket was used as a ligature in strangulation!