Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #48

[Makara]

Michael Byrne QC.

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Michael Byrne QC, Barrister-at-Law, Queensland Bar was first called to the Bar in 1977 and took silk in 1993. Michael specialises in criminal law and has appeared in a number of the seminal High Court cases emanating from Queensland. He was, formerly, an Acting Judge of the District Court and the Queensland Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions. He presently has chambers in Brisbane.

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Peter Shields Criminal Law Solicitor.

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http://www.petershieldslawyers.com.au/content/?id=7

 

[possumheart]

Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre

 

[Makara]

Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre

It doesn't look too bad from that height. Could be some kind of resort. Probably is for some of the inmates. Three hots and a cot, no financial worries, no mortgage or rent, no utility bills, clothing laundered for them etc. etc. All at the taxpayer's expense! :banghead:

 

[Thinking]

I was wondering about this also? And why did they name Chapel Hill? The police searched Bielby Rd but I'm still waiting to find out why?

A bit strange isn't it AAAA? I had thought the Bielby Rd search was connected to the Kenmore Scouts (which is on Bielby Rd), but that is considered Kenmore Hills as far as I am aware...? Not sure about why Chapel Hill would be included yet not Kenmore.

 

[Thinking]

There's something that has never made sense to me.

Bruce (not Overland) Flegg lives about 1 Klm away as the crow flys (overland)

If Flegg heard screams inside his house loud enough to get him up to look and be alarmed, then heard other screams, then why didn't the closer neighbours hear the screams. Yes dogs barked and car tyres screeched but surely someone was watching & listening from their homes. Did the Baden-Clays have regular fights so they chose not to act.
We'll soon see.

Example, tonight I heard a siren which sounded fairly close by. I opened the door to listen where it was coming from until I realised it was in the distance. If it was a scream I heard, I'd listen, evaluate, then act.
Ah well as OW said.....we need the truth, the truth!

I have also been a bit baffled by this tgy - it will only make sense if there have been other statements made by other neighbours who also heard screams similar to the ones Flegg supposedly heard, but which weren't chosen by the defence to include at the committal.

 

[marlywings]

Some housekeeping notes....

Thanks Makara for posting all the above info re Judge, Prosecution, The Defence.

I've copied the posts over to following thread...

Australian Law and Courts - The details

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I've added a new avatar if any members would also like to use it for the trial you'll find it in this thread....

Allison Baden Clay (nee Dickie)

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[marlywings]

Then there's this one....new thread all ready for next Tuesday...

The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay - Trial 10th June, 2014

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[kiwijayne]

I have also been a bit baffled by this tgy - it will only make sense if there have been other statements made by other neighbours who also heard screams similar to the ones Flegg supposedly heard, but which weren't chosen by the defence to include at the committal.

I lived less than 500 metres from their house and didn't hear any screams!

 

[Camp Chair]

I was wondering about this also? And why did they name Chapel Hill? The police searched Bielby Rd but I'm still waiting to find out why?

Shout out to Mountain Mist (your ref: "Coordinate #9 Text #2") are you able to explain this one within Websleuths guidelines regarding Chapel Hill?

 

[marlywings]

A bit strange isn't it AAAA? I had thought the Bielby Rd search was connected to the Kenmore Scouts (which is on Bielby Rd), but that is considered Kenmore Hills as far as I am aware...? Not sure about why Chapel Hill would be included yet not Kenmore.

Chapel Hill was mentioned in Allison's phone records. Wonder if there's some connection.

23rd March - Friday

444pm Phone was used to call a taxi from Chapel Hill(yellow cabs) 1min34sec

19th April - Thursday

626pm Phone was used to call Home from Chapel Hill. 1 sec
627pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Chapel Hill. 21 sec

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203837"]Allison Baden Clay phone records - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[they'll get you]

I lived less than 500 metres from their house and didn't hear any screams!

I'm more confused. Maybe Flegg lives on a hill with his bedroom window facing the BC's upwind.
Here's hoping someone heard & saw something.
OK I'll wait a little longer.

 

[AAAA]

A bit strange isn't it AAAA? I had thought the Bielby Rd search was connected to the Kenmore Scouts (which is on Bielby Rd), but that is considered Kenmore Hills as far as I am aware...? Not sure about why Chapel Hill would be included yet not Kenmore.

Thinking, no the scouts as far as I'm aware is still kenmore, when you get to Mukurta St going outbound, the left is Kenmore Hills and the right hand side of the road is Chapel Hill. Going outbound. Our acreage was searched, and it's Kenmore Hills. Chapel Hill encompasses all the side streets but also as far back as the Captain Convenience store. Maybe just a journo error?

 

[AAAA]

Shout out to Mountain Mist (your ref: "Coordinate #9 Text #2") are you able to explain this one within Websleuths guidelines regarding Chapel Hill?

I hope my last comment helps? Not sure what you meant?

 

[kiwijayne]

I'm more confused. Maybe Flegg lives on a hill with his bedroom window facing the BC's upwind.
Here's hoping someone heard & saw something.
OK I'll wait a little longer.

I lived on Deerhurst Road which is the street just before the kindy and the BC house. I was home all night and at that stage my bedroom was right on the road in direct line with their house. Noone in our house heard anything and we had our property etc searched several times. Trust me the sound carries at night around there. I could hear when the yoga centre or such like where having a party at night.

 

[Camp Chair]

I hope my last comment helps? Not sure what you meant?

Bear with me AAA don't mean to be cryptic... I'm trying to find an acceptable supporting link to post here regarding 9 satellite co-ordinates that auto downloaded into the call-log of GBC's phone a.m. 20/4/2012 (about the same time GBC was supposedly 'texting from home')

 

[they'll get you]

I lived on Deerhurst Road which is the street just before the kindy and the BC house. I was home all night and at that stage my bedroom was right on the road in direct line with their house. Noone in our house heard anything and we had our property etc searched several times. Trust me the sound carries at night around there. I could hear when the yoga centre or such like where having a party at night.

Many thanks. I'd love to hear your theories how Flegg heard screams 1 Klm away, if they were Allison's. I know we've hashed this before.

 

[kiwijayne]

Many thanks. I'd love to hear your theories how Flegg heard screams 1 Klm away, if they were Allison's. I know we've hashed this before.

I truly have no idea. That area is so quiet at night and I thought there was party somewhere close that night. I might be mistaken.

 

[Thinking]

I lived on Deerhurst Road which is the street just before the kindy and the BC house. I was home all night and at that stage my bedroom was right on the road in direct line with their house. Noone in our house heard anything and we had our property etc searched several times. Trust me the sound carries at night around there. I could hear when the yoga centre or such like where having a party at night.

Perhaps the screams Flegg supposedly heard were the screams that were also reportedly heard, further down Rafting Ground Road towards Winrock Street? The ones that were possibly from a teenagers party or the like. I'm so confused about these screams - so odd for anyone to be reporting screams on that very night - if they are completely unrelated it is coincidental. It is a fairly quiet neck of the woods and it was a week night, not the weekend, so less chance of parties etc. Strange!

 

[kiwijayne]

Perhaps the screams Flegg supposedly heard were the screams that were also reportedly heard, further down Rafting Ground Road towards Winrock Street? The ones that were possibly from a teenagers party or the like. I'm so confused about these screams - so odd for anyone to be reporting screams on that very night - if they are completely unrelated it is coincidental. It is a fairly quiet neck of the woods and it was a week night, not the weekend, so less chance of parties etc. Strange!

Very strange

 

[Makara]

Perhaps the screams Flegg supposedly heard were the screams that were also reportedly heard, further down Rafting Ground Road towards Winrock Street? The ones that were possibly from a teenagers party or the like. I'm so confused about these screams - so odd for anyone to be reporting screams on that very night - if they are completely unrelated it is coincidental. It is a fairly quiet neck of the woods and it was a week night, not the weekend, so less chance of parties etc. Strange!

BBM.

I tend to agree with this Thinking. IMO there were two separate incidents that night. Some youngin's skylarking and Allison's murder. I don't believe the screams Flegg heard were Allison's.

According to Sue Heath's statement;

14. In my first statement dated 26 April 2012 I gave information in relation to a telephone call I had with Bruce at about 10:53pm in the evening on Thursday 19 April 2012. I remember the call time as after it was reported in the media I checked my mobile telephone and saw the call I had with Bruce was about the time Allison BADEN-CLAY went missing. Bruce would have called me from his mobile phone to my mobile telephone. I explained that whilst on the phone Bruce heard a scream and when he went to check it out at the front of his house he heard a second scream. I remember calling him back after that call to see if he was alright.

BBM.

I believe that by 10:53pm Allison was already deceased.