Amanda Knox Discussion-Friendly Thread

[FergusMcDuck]

The case against Knox and Sollecito stands finally as Not Proven.

They were acquitted.

As for Guede as sole perpetrator:

Such a mechanical action is hardly attributable to the conduct of one person alone. Marasca/Bruno p. 25

The theory of multiple attackers is a judicial fact; "established in Micheli, confirmed in Massei, again in Nencini, and filnally in Marasca."

So we will never have jurisprudence of Guede as a lone wolf burglar, rapist, and murderer.

And we can thank the incompetent Perugia police and prosecutors for that mistake.

 

[SMK777]

They were acquitted.



And we can thank the incompetent Perugia police and prosecutors for that mistake.

They were acquitted because the evidence was not sufficient to prove the case. Not Proven is apparently the same as not guilty verdict in the US.

But even the 5th chamber final court's opinion was that Guede had not acted alone.
And they let stand that Knox was present at the villa during the commission of the crime.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

They were acquitted because the evidence was not sufficient to prove the case. Not Proven is apparently the same as not guilty verdict in the US.

Not Proven doesn't enter this. It is an Italian case and they were found not guilty.

But even the 5th chamber final court's opinion was that Guede had not acted alone.
And they let stand that Knox was present at the villa during the commission of the crime.

I've explained both of these already. Guede acting alone was not something the Marasca court was deciding on - it was already finalized and even if they wanted to touch it, supreme court decisions need to harmonize with each other. And Marasca wasn't a fact finding court, it explained how Nencini couldn't use the signed statements to establish Amanda was at the house while ignoring the total lack of physical evidence of her participating in the murder.

 

[SMK777]

Not Proven doesn't enter this. It is an Italian case and they were found not guilty.



I've explained both of these already. Guede acting alone was not something the Marasca court was deciding on - it was already finalized and even if they wanted to touch it, supreme court decisions need to harmonize with each other. And Marasca wasn't a fact finding court, it explained how Nencini couldn't use the signed statements to establish Amanda was at the house while ignoring the total lack of physical evidence of her participating in the murder.

Ok. Well, we are entering 2025 and the case as they say is history.

Amanda is married with two children. Sollecito and Guede are living their own lives.

Mignini has become Amanda’s friend and they exchange Christmas cards, and he met her little girl. Mignini made clear that Amanda in his eyes has matured into a very good person.

I and others will always have questions but that holds true for other cases lost in the whirlygig of time.

Amanda Knox prosecutor details their unexpected friendship after acquittal

Amanda Knox prosecutor details their unexpected friendship after acquittal

Amanda Knox and prosecutor Giuliano Mignini have formed a surprising friendship after facing off in court for close to a decade

nypost.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[imstilla.grandma]

“Living with a false conviction is horrific, personally, psychologically, emotionally,'' she said on the podcast. “I'm fighting it, and we'll see what happens.”

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/italy-knox-slander-conviction-murder/2025/01/23/id/1196158/

 

[SMK777]

Amanda Knox fails to overturn slander conviction in Italy

Ms Knox served four years in prison for the 2007 murder of British student Meredith Kercher before being acquitted in 2011. But among a complex series of legal twists and turns, she was convicted of wrongly accusing a Congolese man of the killing.

news.sky.com

 

[SMK777]

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“Living with a false conviction is horrific, personally, psychologically, emotionally,'' she said on the podcast. “I'm fighting it, and we'll see what happens.”

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/italy-knox-slander-conviction-murder/2025/01/23/id/1196158/

I guess this was the end of any legal measures that can be taken.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Amanda Knox fails to overturn slander conviction in Italy

Ms Knox served four years in prison for the 2007 murder of British student Meredith Kercher before being acquitted in 2011. But among a complex series of legal twists and turns, she was convicted of wrongly accusing a Congolese man of the killing.

news.sky.com

From the article above. I was curious Mr. Lumumba's stance on this:

Patrick Lumumba, who was in the court, said: "I am very satisfied because Amanda made a mistake and this sentence must accompany her for her entire life."

Ms Knox was ordered to pay the trial's legal costs, as well as those of Mr Lumumba's lawyer.

*ETA: From a Toronto Star article below in regards to Mr. Lumumba (might be a paywall, I don't subscribe but was allowed to view article):

Arriving at court, he underlined that Knox “has never apologized to me.”

Italy’s top court upholds Amanda Knox’s conviction for falsely accusing innocent man of murder

ROME (AP) — Italy’s highest court on Thursday confirmed a slander conviction against U.S. defendant Amanda Knox for accusing an innocent man of murdering her British flatmate 17 years ago

www.thestar.com

 

[Tower]

From the article above. I was curious Mr. Lumumba's stance on this:

Patrick Lumumba, who was in the court, said: "I am very satisfied because Amanda made a mistake and this sentence must accompany her for her entire life."

Ms Knox was ordered to pay the trial's legal costs, as well as those of Mr Lumumba's lawyer.

I feel great sympathy for Mr. Lumumba. I think he was wronged as much by police (ignoring his bar patrons who backed up his alibi that the bar was open and he only tallied their bill when they left. Plus many other errors) as by Amanda. And the police have a much greater responsibility to conduct a murder inquiry properly, not coerce confessions from a young woman who does not speak the language fluently, etc.

The idea that police decided “see you later”
In broken Italian meant that she intended to meet Lumumba later that night is not following the evidence, but jumping to pre-formed conclusions. While Amanda made a mistake, the police detained him, botched the investigation and ruined Lumumba’s business when there was no evidence against him. Jmo

 

[Ashleym324]

I just finished reading through this entire thread and I find it so shocking that there are actually people who believe she is guilty.
I’m so glad she’s free, happy, doing activism work, and raising a family. Good for her

 

[Ashleym324]

Has anyone read her new book yet?

 

[Keleah]

'Foxy Knoxy' was not invented by the media though.
It was name she had labelled herself on her social media channel, I think it was MySpace back in those days. She was also very sexually and physically confident in a way that not so many young women are and was experimenting with sexual relationships with various young men as well as drugs. All of those things do not make her a femme fatale or murderer, they simply mean she was a free agent and confident.

However, everything else about her is problematic - her behaviour at the time, her story, her odd arrogance, the evidence.

I think in this instance it could be speculated that sexual tensions and jealousies and poor relationships with the other young women, in line with her self-perception as 'Foxy Knoxy' might be factors. For that reason, I don't think it's so straightforward as to say the media hounded her and labeled her with a sexist slur.

JMO MOO

And now is allegedly working with Eric Volz another questionable person. After you read the details from the other side of that story it really makes you wonder

 

[Ashleym324]

And now is allegedly working with Eric Volz another questionable person. After you read the details from the other side of that story it really makes you wonder

Who is that?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

And now is allegedly working with Eric Volz another questionable person. After you read the details from the other side of that story it really makes you wonder

I now have to go down the EV rabbit hole! There is a tiny tiny WS thread on it:

K

Thread 'Nicaragua - Doris Jimenez, 25, slain, San Juan del Sur, 21 Nov 2006'

Nov 17, 2008

I searched and can't find any topics covering this case so if there are any, please move this thread.

I have been following this case for some time--this young man wrongfully convicted in Nicaragua for murder, but released last year and now, TODAY, will be retried in Nicaragua (luckily it appears he will not be extradited and they can't force him to return to that country but if his innocence is overturned then there will be a warrant out for his arrest in Nicaragua).

Here is the latest email I just got this morning:

!!FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE!!
UPDATE: MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH...

• katiecoolady
• Replies: 5
• Forum: Recently Sentenced and Beyond

 

[Keleah]

I now have to go down the EV rabbit hole! There is a tiny tiny WS thread on it:

K

Thread 'Nicaragua - Doris Jimenez, 25, slain, San Juan del Sur, 21 Nov 2006'

Nov 17, 2008

I searched and can't find any topics covering this case so if there are any, please move this thread.

I have been following this case for some time--this young man wrongfully convicted in Nicaragua for murder, but released last year and now, TODAY, will be retried in Nicaragua (luckily it appears he will not be extradited and they can't force him to return to that country but if his innocence is overturned then there will be a warrant out for his arrest in Nicaragua).

Here is the latest email I just got this morning:

!!FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE!!
UPDATE: MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH...

• katiecoolady
• Replies: 5
• Forum: Recently Sentenced and Beyond

I thought same, in fact I sent letters in support of his release back when he was incarcerated there. The problem with all that is that Doris’ family was not only most likely completely in shock but also maybe not capable at the time to circulate information while his family had the means to circulate their story quickly & widely.
I have learned from this case bow necessary it is in the future to always take such things into account.

Doris Ivania Jimenez

dorisjimenez.blogspot.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Since her exoneration, she’s chosen to meet that suspicion head-on, participating in a documentary, writing memoirs, and speaking out about how the media demonized her and how the justice system nearly failed her.

All of this has led to her newest project, The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox, an eight-episode Hulu docudrama created by K.J. Steinberg (This Is Us) and co-produced by Knox, retelling her story from her perspective. While true crime biopics are everywhere these days, there’s something particularly strange about this one, which sees Grace van Patten as a wide-eyed, winsome, fourth-wall-breaking Amanda.

The missing piece of Hulu’s strange new Amanda Knox docudrama

If Amanda Knox’s tale is twisted, it’s worth asking who twisted it.

www.vox.com

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[Lalalacasbah]

Since her exoneration, she’s chosen to meet that suspicion head-on, participating in a documentary, writing memoirs, and speaking out about how the media demonized her and how the justice system nearly failed her.

All of this has led to her newest project, The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox, an eight-episode Hulu docudrama created by K.J. Steinberg (This Is Us) and co-produced by Knox, retelling her story from her perspective. While true crime biopics are everywhere these days, there’s something particularly strange about this one, which sees Grace van Patten as a wide-eyed, winsome, fourth-wall-breaking Amanda.

The missing piece of Hulu’s strange new Amanda Knox docudrama

If Amanda Knox’s tale is twisted, it’s worth asking who twisted it.

www.vox.com

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This seems tacky to me. Guilty or innocent, it seems self indulgent or like a vanity project MOO

I guess I feel like if she truly cared about the injustice she was dealt or cared about her poor roommate being brutally murdered - put that time, energy and money (Amanda Knox was a producer) into a foundation, charily or advocate for law changing or something where change might happen for all.

Seems like a money grab or all about her JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I thought same, in fact I sent letters in support of his release back when he was incarcerated there. The problem with all that is that Doris’ family was not only most likely completely in shock but also maybe not capable at the time to circulate information while his family had the means to circulate their story quickly & widely.
I have learned from this case bow necessary it is in the future to always take such things into account.

Doris Ivania Jimenez

dorisjimenez.blogspot.com

Thanks for sharing that link!

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

This seems tacky to me. Guilty or innocent, it seems self indulgent or like a vanity project MOO

I guess I feel like if she truly cared about the injustice she was dealt or cared about her poor roommate being brutally murdered - put that time, energy and money (Amanda Knox was a producer) into a foundation, charily or advocate for law changing or something where change might happen for all.

Seems like a money grab or all about her JMO

A lot of people made money at her expense, sensationalizing a story they only knew hearsay about. Her name and potential career were ruined because of them. She's the one who suffered in prison over a miscarriage of justice. So yes, as long as she's not writing Faye Resnick trash (I've never heard Amanda say anything disrespectful or unsympathetic of Meredith at all), it's morally justified for her to to make as much money as she pleases telling HER side of the story. Certainly more so than the many people who made money telling the wrong story. What better way is there to expose the realities of the criminal justice system than to have a first-hand account be heard by as many people as possible? And even if one isn't convinced of her motivations for making the miniseries, she does do quite a lot of advocacy for the wrongly incarcerated. After everything she's been through, at this point it seems absurd to question how she feels about the situation.