Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#10

[SMK]

Thank you, SMK.

Let's see what happens.

I am going to give a prediction the the jury will end up upholding the original conviction. JMO.

There is just too much there for Amanda's defense to overcome. IMO.

THe totality of the evidence and everything taken together strongly points towards their guilt.

JMO. I really do not see any way it can come back in any other way.

But let's see, and if the decision is the other way, I will respect it. Eventually, all of this has to come to a stop, so they will have to end up taking one court's decision and sticking with it. They cannot continue this for 20 years, either side. Of course, I do not know what the process is with appeals, etc., so I could very well be talking flubber and it could take literally 20 years!

You could well be right. I guess if the lay judges (jury) believe Maresca, Crini, et al, the convictions will be upheld. I don't know what their feeling , or thinking, rather, was about what the defense said (that the "evidence" is illegitimate, etc.).

I think after this ruling - whether acquittals or convictions upheld - there can be another appeal from the losing side, and then the Supreme Court must uphold or overturn that. It does seem absurd that the process goes on for so long. At some point, the matter should be closed. 10 years, noooooo Yes, I will accept the (provisional) ruling, no matter what and am glad I do not have to make a decision regarding these 2 young people's lives.

 

[SMK]

UGH, you said 20 years, which is even worse. I hope some resolution can be reached soon.lease:

 

[redheadedgal]

Ok, thanks for letting me know. I wonder what she means by "spam" though? Is that like the comments like, blah blah blah...click on here. You can earn $500....?

Or does she mean the comments that are "against her"?

if one took the time to actually read her blog's comments, one would see numerous hate-filled, nasty posts. so, no, amanda does not censor "comments that are against her".

 

[aa9511]

You could well be right. I guess if the lay judges (jury) believe Maresca, Crini, et al, the convictions will be upheld. I don't know what their feeling , or thinking, rather, was about what the defense said (that the "evidence" is illegitimate, etc.).

I think after this ruling - whether acquittals or convictions upheld - there can be another appeal from the losing side, and then the Supreme Court must uphold or overturn that. It does seem absurd that the process goes on for so long. At some point, the matter should be closed. 10 years, noooooo Yes, I will accept the (provisional) ruling, no matter what and am glad I do not have to make a decision regarding these 2 young people's lives.

Ok, let me try to understand this. (I always think of the line "explain this to me like I'm a 5-year old......LOL!....I saw that in a famous movie, I forgot the movie, maybe someone else knows....and sometimes I catch myself thining it when I'm trying to process some information....LOL!).

Anyway....ok, so are these the scenarios:

Uphold conviction -- Amanda appeals to Supreme Court
Appeal approved (Amanda free) -- prosecution appeals to Supreme Court, if they choose

And I read on someone else's post about maybe there can be appeals to some European court or something. I don't know how that can be though, because isn't it Italy's domain and right to hold the trial and decide for itself? I'm thinking, if a foreign citzen in the U.S. is convicted of a crime, can they appeal to some North American court of DNA (if something like that existed), or to some International Forensic Standards Court (LOL...sorry, just speculating about names, just using for example purpose)?

I have never heard of anything like that happening in the U.S, - where someone appeals to the International group that deals with setting DNA standards, etc..

Sigh. Imagine how the families (both of them) must be feeling.

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[aa9511]

if one took the time to actually read her blog's comments, one would see numerous hate-filled, nasty posts. so, no, amanda does not censor "comments that are against her".

LOL! Ok, thanks. That is very surprising, wow. That's why I was asking. Ok, will get to reading the comments soon.....LOL! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

you caught me.

 

[SMK]

if one took the time to actually read her blog's comments, one would see numerous hate-filled, nasty posts. so, no, amanda does not censor "comments that are against her".

Yes, I was noticing just before that she addresses them with apparent calmness.

 

[SMK]

Ok, let me try to understand this. (I always think of the line "explain this to me like I'm a 5-year old......LOL!....I saw that in a famous movie, I forgot the movie, maybe someone else knows....and sometimes I catch myself thining it when I'm trying to process some information....LOL!).

Anyway....ok, so are these the scenarios:

Uphold conviction -- Amanda appeals to Supreme Court
Appeal approved (Amanda free) -- prosecution appeals to Supreme Court, if they choose

And I read on someone else's post about maybe there can be appeals to some European court or something. I don't know how that can be though, because isn't it Italy's domain and right to hold the trial and decide for itself? I'm thinking, if a foreign citzen in the U.S. is convicted of a crime, can they appeal to some North American court of DNA (if something like that existed), or to some International Forensic Standards Court (LOL...sorry, just speculating about names, just using for example purpose)?

I have never heard of anything like that happening in the U.S, - where someone appeals to the International group that deals with setting DNA standards, etc..

Sigh. Imagine how the families (both of them) must be feeling.

I

Yes, in a sense the Italian system is far more fair than is ours, as our appeal process almost never works for anyone, even when it should. The Ryan Ferguson case dragged on for 10 years. But in a sense, if you're acquitted (as Knox and Sollecito were in 2011) it is only provisional at first, which drags things on. Yes, for both families. And the defendants. (I think you are possibly thinking of the movie, Philadelphia (unless you're too young) where Denzel Washington as an attorney says, "You gotta explain this to me like I'm a six year old." :laugh::laugh

 

[redheadedgal]

Here is the tweet from the presenations about the attack:

The Nation @ qn_lanazione 1m
Process Meredith, lawyer Dalla Vedova (Knox): "The victim was attacked from the front, not from behind" # meredithnazione
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The Nation @ qn_lanazione 2m

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

the tweets on the La Nazione site linked above are all in italian...

where is the original untranslated tweet? where is this translation from? and why attempt to mislead posters by trying to pass this off as legitimate and authentic?

 

[SMK]

the tweets on the La Nazione site linked above are all in italian...

where is the original untranslated tweet? where is this translation from? and why attempt to mislead posters by trying to pass this off as legitimate and authentic?

When I posted all the tweets from La Nazione on the 18th (which Moderators reposted on updates) my Google Chrome automatically translated into English. I just went to the link, and it did the same.

 

[aa9511]

the tweets on the La Nazione site linked above are all in italian...

where is the original untranslated tweet? where is this translation from? and why attempt to mislead posters by trying to pass this off as legitimate and authentic?

I got them from the tweets SMK posted when he was posting the tweets, from when both Otto and SMK were posting the tweets from the trial, which no one ever questioned until this point, when they apparently strongly disagree with something Amanda's own defense attorney apparently said.

So I did not question where the tweets were coming from, since they were part of many tweets that were being posted at the time, with the link underneath them.

These are the tweets that we have all been discussing, so what's the sudden problem now?!

Let me go and find the original post that I got it from.

 

[aa9511]

Ok, here is the post I got it from, from thread #9:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

 

[Amber29]

When I posted all the tweets from La Nazione on the 18th (which Moderators reposted on updates) my Google Chrome automatically translated into English. I just went to the link, and it did the same.

Thank you for posting the tweets. Even though I hate relying on machine translations, sometimes that's all that is available to us.

 

[redheadedgal]

I got them from the tweets SMK posted when he was posting the tweets, from when both Otto and SMK were posting the tweets from the trial, which no one ever questioned until this point, when they apparently strongly disagree with something Amanda's own defense attorney apparently said.

So I did not question where the tweets were coming from, since they were part of many tweets that were being posted at the time, with the link underneath them.

These are the tweets that we have all been discussing, so what's the sudden problem now?!

Let me go and find the original post that I got it from.

i just realized now -with your latest link- that the La Nazione twitter site is all in italian... didn't catch it earlier. so, just wondering how translations are being done. SMK said above the browser did the translation automatically. this is probably the case for the tweets posted earlier by other posters.

sorry, if my post sounded accusatory. peace

 

[SMK]

Thank you for posting the tweets. Even though I hate relying on machine translations, sometimes that's all that is available to us.

Most welcome - and yes, it seems with short tweets that the Google translation is not so convoluted and frustrating to read.

 

[SMK]

i just realized now -with your latest link- that the La Nazione twitter site is all in italian... didn't catch it earlier. so, just wondering how translations are being done. SMK said above the browser did the translation automatically. i just think that needs to be recognized, if the case.

sorry, if my post sounded accusatory. peace

It's OK , I understand. I have something on Google Chrome which automatically translates into English. Otto was posting from La Nazzione on Twitter, and then he took a break or something - I went to the link, and the tweets were coming up automatically translated. I copy pasted them, addedd the link, and that's how they got here. I guess I should have said, "via Google Chrome, automatic Italian to English":blushing:

 

[redheadedgal]

i need a browser with automatic translating for this case... why wasn't it mentioned BEFORE??? :tantrum:

lol

i will look into downloading Chrome -- thanks SMK :loveyou:

 

[aa9511]

i just realized now -with your latest link- that the La Nazione twitter site is all in italian... didn't catch it earlier. so, just wondering how translations are being done. SMK said above the browser did the translation automatically. this is probably the case for the tweets posted earlier by other posters.

sorry, if my post sounded accusatory. peace

Oh, it's ok I didn't mean to put SMK on the spot either, sorry SMK! I guess everyone was and probably still is required to rely on machine translations of those tweets, I just realized now. So double thanks to Otto and SMK for translating them for us too!

I believe I saw somewhere that there is an English translation of Crini's argument posted on Amanda Knox site - so do we know, is that from her own machine translation, or did someone "hand translate" that?

Does one group translate and then disseminate them to all parties?

This is getting confusing.

 

[Amber29]

Here is the tweet from the presenations about the attack:

The Nation @ qn_lanazione 1m
Process Meredith, lawyer Dalla Vedova (Knox): "The victim was attacked from the front, not from behind" # meredithnazione
Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
The Nation @ qn_lanazione 2m

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

I saw this the other day but didn't give it much thought.

Hmm I can't wait to see an entire transcript. If this is translated correctly, I wonder what her defense theory is on all the wounds coming from the front but from different directions.

 

[aa9511]

I can't for some reason quote your post, but this is for @redhead regarding the laughter:

noooooo, I was laughing because I was laughing at myself that I didn't read the comments! Sigh.

:facepalm:

I guess I'm being accused of "hatred for Amanda" even when I'm laughing at my own mistakes!
:facepalm:

 

[redheadedgal]

It's OK , I understand. I have something on Google Chrome which automatically translates into English. Otto was posting from La Nazzione on Twitter, and then he took a break or something - I went to the link, and the tweets were coming up automatically translated. I copy pasted them, addedd the link, and that's how they got here. I guess I should have said, "via Google Chrome, automatic Italian to English":blushing:

you did nothing wrong. no one has. we've just been so concerned about translations and versions and who's correct and who's not... oy!

again, sorry to take issue with something that had a most simple explanation. clearly, i need more coffee lol

:seeya: