Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#10

[TorisMom003]

Yes, the break-in was ruled staged, the cell phones, stolen, and even Guede to this day says, "The Court said I did not rob, I did not simulate".

Guede also maintains that he did not kill Meredith, yes? Of course he has lied about that. Guede was the one that was found to have been in Meredith's purse. How is that possible if he did not steal from her or go into her purse? Did AK and RS clean away evidence of themselves on Meredith's purse while leaving the evidence of Guede on it? That would be a pretty neat trick if so.

MOO

 

[Katody]

I would say they did not (and this is why even as late as 2011 with the acquittals, Mrs. Kercher was still wondering where were the others who acted with Guede)---if I am wrong, anyone can chime in and correct me.

I would say they did. Defence closing arguments from the first trial are posted on Amanda's blog.

Guede's motivation that was confirmed by the SC said outright that the others were Amanda and Raffaele. There was never any mystery about this part.

 

[SMK]

I would say they did. Defence closing arguments from the first trial are posted on Amanda's blog.

OK. thanks .

 

[Katody]

I think the argument from the prosecution would be that the clean up was done later, and that only someone who had key access (Knox) would have motive and opportunity to have returned to stage a cleanup.

This is quite funny argument because of it's circularity. The evidence of Amanda and Raffaele is missing therefore they cleaned up. That clean up is evidence of their guilt because only they had motive to clean up...

 

[SMK]

That may be the argument but the evidence shows that did not happen. The luminol testing showed that there was no clean up done, at least in the hall, to get rid of blood. When a clean up has occurred, either with a mop or rags, there will be evidence of it when the luminol is applied. That is not shown in the pictures of the luminol tests. There is NO swiping motion shown at all.

MOO

Well, to me at least, guilt hangs on a clean up and a simulation. If these didn't occur, the case for guilt is severely weakened, because that leaves a real break-in, not a stage one, and no clean up -- which sounds like a lone wolf. Of course the other side keeps telling me they did occur, and that a big PR mop has made away with it all. I get so frustrated: Each fact supported by one side is negated by the other side. Enough to drive one mad.:notgood: I guess it's my deep-seated mistrust of the American media which has me staying open to guilt.

 

[SMK]

This is quite funny argument because of it's circularity. The evidence of Amanda and Raffaele is missing therefore they cleaned up. That clean up is evidence of their guilt because only they had motive to clean up...

I actually understood it another way: Positive presence of indicators of a clean up and traces show Knox and Sollecito cleaned up (recall, the prosecution still maintains to the jury that it is definitely Sollecito's bare footprint on the bathmat)---I don't know who to believe anymore. :snooty: <modsnip>

 

[Katody]

I actually understood it another way: Positive presence of indicators of a clean up and traces show Knox and Sollecito cleaned up (recall, the prosecution still maintains to the jury that it is definitely Sollecito's bare footprint on the bathmat)---I don't know who to believe anymore. :snooty: <modsnip>

The are no indicators of clean up. It's only an inference made from the fact that no trail leads to the bathmat print.

Once you realize the bathmat print is made with watered down blood residue and not with blood that someone stepped into, that inference is gone.

OTOH There is actual solid evidence of no clean up. The bloody shoeprints that go across the supposedly cleaned up surfaces. The luminol prints that are not smeared and have no telltales of mopping. There is shed hair and dust on the floor.

 

[SMK]

The are no indicators of clean up. It's only an inference made from the fact that no trail leads to the bathmat print.

Once you realize the bathmat print is made with watered down blood residue and not with blood that someone stepped into, that inference is gone.

OTOH There is actual solid evidence of no clean up. The bloody shoeprints that go across the supposedly cleaned up surfaces. The luminol prints that are not smeared and have no telltales of mopping. There is shed hair and dust on the floor.

How, then , do the prosecution keep maintaining that there was a clean up. Or have they dropped this, too?

 

[Katody]

How, then , do the prosecution keep maintaining that there was a clean up. Or have they dropped this, too?

You need to ask someone who is ready to wade through 2 days of Crini

 

[SMK]

You need to ask someone who is ready to wade through 2 days of Crini

I am more than willing to do it, but for some reason it won't be translated with my Google Chrome. ( i think the text is too lengthy)

 

[SMK]

I have been going through the tweets of Crini's 10 hours of summation. (just making points here for future reference)

He said that he was outraged that other substances such as bleach or fruitjuice had been said to react with luminol: 'It was blood. All else is unsubstantiated conjecture."

Crini also asserts there was no practical way for Sollecito's DNA to get on the bra clasp via contamination.

He does in fact make mention of the subsequent moving of Meredith's body, and the removal of bra.

Asserts also the use of 2 knives, ( a very small knife cut the bra, a different knife) and that multiple attackers immobilized Meredith.

 

[TorisMom003]

Well, to me at least, guilt hangs on a clean up and a simulation. If these didn't occur, the case for guilt is severely weakened, because that leaves a real break-in, not a stage one, and no clean up -- which sounds like a lone wolf. Of course the other side keeps telling me they did occur, and that a big PR mop has made away with it all. I get so frustrated: Each fact supported by one side is negated by the other side. Enough to drive one mad.:notgood: I guess it's my deep-seated mistrust of the American media which has me staying open to guilt.

But it isn't the American media that is stating with fact that no clean up occurred. At least it isn't just the American media stating that. I came to the conclusion myself that no clean up occurred after viewing the pictures of the luminol testing. I didn't find those pictures in any American media or any American media site. The photos are posted on line for anyone to look at. They clearly show that there are no swiping marks highlighted by luminol. If one also looks at other luminol test pictures, that have been cleaned up, then one can see the swiping marks that are highlighted by the luminol.

If there was no clean up at all, and there appears to not be any clean up based on those pictures, then one is able to determine that it was Guede and Guede alone.

The only reason for the prosecutor to claim a "staged break in" is to blame Amanda. Since items were stolen then one can conclude that the burglary was not staged at all.

MOO

 

[Amber29]

Guede also maintains that he did not kill Meredith, yes? Of course he has lied about that. Guede was the one that was found to have been in Meredith's purse. How is that possible if he did not steal from her or go into her purse? Did AK and RS clean away evidence of themselves on Meredith's purse while leaving the evidence of Guede on it? That would be a pretty neat trick if so.

MOO

What do you think was in her purse?

I know RG evidence was found on it but the purse looks empty. Do you think she only kept her money and phones in there? It's odd to me that the purse looks empty. It's also odd that it looks to have been placed on the bed by that sock on its handle.

Or was it said that she was carrying a different purse that evening?

 

[Zuri]

I have not been following this case as closely as you all. Has the re-trial been concluded yet and if not, when is it supposed to end? TIA

 

[SMK]

I have not been following this case as closely as you all. Has the re-trial been concluded yet and if not, when is it supposed to end? TIA

The second appeal is in progress: Jan 9-10 is the last defense summation, and the rebuttals. Jury deliberation begins Jan 15 (hopefully there will be no further delays! )

 

[SMK]

But it isn't the American media that is stating with fact that no clean up occurred. At least it isn't just the American media stating that. I came to the conclusion myself that no clean up occurred after viewing the pictures of the luminol testing. I didn't find those pictures in any American media or any American media site. The photos are posted on line for anyone to look at. They clearly show that there are no swiping marks highlighted by luminol. If one also looks at other luminol test pictures, that have been cleaned up, then one can see the swiping marks that are highlighted by the luminol.

If there was no clean up at all, and there appears to not be any clean up based on those pictures, then one is able to determine that it was Guede and Guede alone.

The only reason for the prosecutor to claim a "staged break in" is to blame Amanda. Since items were stolen then one can conclude that the burglary was not staged at all.

MOO

I understand, although I myself never felt qualified to make any assessment of the pictures. However, if what you're saying is true, then one would have to infer that Knox is being framed. I cannot understand what would motivate the Italians to do this.

 

[Tugela]

I understand, although I myself never felt qualified to make any assessment of the pictures. However, if what you're saying is true, then one would have to infer that Knox is being framed. I cannot understand what would motivate the Italians to do this.

Tunnel vision, and a refusal to acknowledge that they messed up. It is easier to send AK and RS to prison for 20 years than to swallow pride.

This is not that unusual for this to happen in LE, particularly in forces that not all that professional in their conduct. It isn't not an "Italian" thing either, the same thing happens here on a routine basis here as well. LE are human as much as anyone else, and are subject to the same failings and bias that anyone else has. Whenever an accusation is made you should always examine it with a critical eye and not just accept whatever LE say without reservation. If you do that you can be pretty sure that you will be sending at least some innocent people to prison for things they didn't do, especially in any case that is largely circumstantial.

 

[SMK]

Tunnel vision, and a refusal to acknowledge that they messed up. It is easier to send AK and RS to prison for 20 years than to swallow pride.

This is not that unusual for this to happen in LE, particularly in forces that not all that professional in their conduct. It isn't not an "Italian" thing either, the same thing happens here on a routine basis here as well. LE are human as much as anyone else, and are subject to the same failings and bias that anyone else has. Whenever an accusation is made you should always examine it with a critical eye and not just accept whatever LE say without reservation. If you do that you can be pretty sure that you will be sending at least some innocent people to prison for things they didn't do, especially in any case that is largely circumstantial.

Possibly, Possibly. But I keep thinking there is something else at work in this case.....time will tell.....or maybe not

 

[Harmony 2]

What do you think was in her purse?

I know RG evidence was found on it but the purse looks empty. Do you think she only kept her money and phones in there? It's odd to me that the purse looks empty. It's also odd that it looks to have been placed on the bed by that sock on its handle.

Or was it said that she was carrying a different purse that evening?

Page 35
She carried a cream-coloured bag with a long shoulder strap.

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

 

[Amber29]

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

Thank you I could not remember but I thought that was the case about her carrying another bag.

I wonder what was actually in the purse on her bed and why the sock was used to move it.