Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[aa9511]

Light? I see fog of nonsense

LOL :floorlaugh:

 

[SMK]

:scared:

You don't like the religious, do you?:blushing:

 

[quesarita]

But wouldn't he have not been caught at all for the robberies if he had not been so dumb?

Staying at cooking a meal at a house you are in without consent, that is pretty dumb to me.

"Cunning liar" - but none of us remotely believe his story! I don't think anyone does! It's just that he gets away with it because it's his "right" not to say anything or tell the truth - after all, you are the one who doesn't like "pressure interrogations."

Manipulative - yes, but it is a successful manipulation? As I said, no one believe him. No one beleves his "story." We are just stuck with it.

Yes, he's not bright, he's messed up. And yet, even when he was caught and caught again, he was given a total pass. Why is this? Was he being protected by his adopted parents? Or let go to avoid embarrassing them? Or was he a clever manipulator of the police and convinced them to let him go again and again?

I think he's dangerous and sociopathic and I will never understand why he is considered to be only a bit player in this crime.

 

[Katody]

I agree IMO a real burglar would've taken the laptops. I mean there was one IN the first room he came into and he didn't even leave the room with it. Why would a real burglar not take the laptop with him when he left the room, maybe prepare a sort of pile of stuff he wants or was he to go in each room more than once I wonder?

Guede used to not hurry at all on his burglaries. He went to the kitchen, probably looked around and then sat on the toilet, before taking anything.

OTOH it makes total sense why a stager wouldn't take a laptop they would need to dispose of and yes I agree about RSs statement to 112 of nothing's been taken.

Disposing a laptop or two doesn't seem troubling when you have clothes, shoes and other things to throw anyway.

 

[aa9511]

Throw them out with the shoes, clothes, weapons, cleaning items that were never found. Not that hard.

Of course the other thing is that even the dumbest stager would know to actually rummage the place. You know, open some drawers and throw things out.

bbm

Yes, exactly. You know, like opening the doors of the wardrobe and throwing things out of it.

 

[SMK]

I have to agree with Katody's comment; Amanda was responding to a comment on her website. I can't find your original post right now but I believe she was actually responding to a question from a commenter. She seems to be pretty responsive on her blog in that way.

So, was she answering the question because she had a sensation of guilt from "staging" after the murder, or because she answers most questions on her blog?

Personally, I don't see the evidence of staging, so I don't see the relevance either, or the entire scenario based on pranks leading to anger leading to murder.

I understand. My initial reaction was very blase. On the surface, I would certainly see it the way you do. I suppose it is the psychological realm, the depths, where it "catches fire". I guess you could call all of this psychologizing "inspiration". I think Katody would probably agree with David Hume: "Inspired men are dangerous." I think sometimes, inspiration can be on target. But sometimes - perhaps often - not.

 

[aa9511]

That angry, seething, raging Meredith somehow doesn't ring true to me. Just saying.

No, it wouldn't be seething, raging Meredith. Angry, yes I believe as it escalated, of course she would have gotten angry. Annoyed, yes. Perhaps critical. Wanting to not be disturbed/teased, yes? I think they probably egged her on and egged her on until the point where she did get very angry.

 

[quesarita]

That's what I'm talking about. Manipulative, sociopath devoid of conscience, always calculating his options.
Why would he lost his head and kill and rape in front of witnesses?[/QUOTE]

In lone-wolf, how did he know Amanda wouldn't walk in at any moment during the assault and murder?

IMO he didn't know, or care. I don't think he really expected Meredith to walk in either. The assault wasn't his reason for the break-in, it happened because he found himself alone with Meredith in the apartment.

 

[SMK]

Yes, he's not bright, he's messed up. And yet, even when he was caught and caught again, he was given a total pass. Why is this? Was he being protected by his adopted parents? Or let go to avoid embarrassing them? Or was he a clever manipulator of the police and convinced them to let him go again and again?

I think he's dangerous and sociopathic and I will never understand why he is considered to be only a bit player in this crime.

If the Perugia police were using him as a drug informant, it would explain this strange "protection" of him, and the hesitation to arrest him after his burglaries. Perhaps he was so over-confident, that he felt invincible.

 

[Katody]

You don't like the religious, do you?:blushing:

When innocent lives are at stake I prefer cold emotionless reasoning. I hope Nencini is of the cold logic and reason type.

 

[quesarita]

If the Perugia police were using him as a drug informant, it would explain this strange "protection" of him, and the hesitation to arrest him after his burglaries. Perhaps he was so over-confident, that he felt invincible.

Were they doing that? I've read both that Rudy was a drug dealer and that he was NOT dealing drugs, only using. I'm asking, I really don't know.

 

[SMK]

When innocent lives are at stake I prefer cold emotionless reasoning. I hope Nencini is of the cold logic and reason type.

Yes, in the legal realm, reason has supremacy, and rightfully so.

I think Nencini, being a judge, ought to be reasonable. But one never knows: Look at the difference between Massei and Hellmann.

 

[Amber29]

Guede used to not hurry at all on his burglaries. He went to the kitchen, probably looked around and then sat on the toilet, before taking anything.


Disposing a laptop or two doesn't seem troubling when you have clothes, shoes and other things to throw anyway.

He sure was in the house awhile doing nothing...

Yes RG was able to successfully dispose of those things too.

 

[SMK]

Were they doing that? I've read both that Rudy was a drug dealer and that he was NOT dealing drugs, only using. I'm asking, I really don't know.

Well, there is no doubt at all that Guede was criminally minded. He had probably dealt drugs, or been caught with them. And perhaps the police arrested him, and told him, "It's either jail for you, or you can become an informant. We'll protect you." All I know is, the way he was never arrested even when caught in the act , would seem to indicate that he was being protected as a police informant.

 

[whoanellie]

That angry, seething, raging Meredith somehow doesn't ring true to me. Just saying.

Yesterday she was seething. As I understand it todays she's a mischievious prankster. I am having trouble keeping up.:floorlaugh:

 

[aa9511]

Well, you knew a very well-adjusted prankster. But I can well imagine the humiliation and horror that might be evoked in another type, if their prank was not well-received....

bbm

Perhaps the prank was not well-received in that it caused Meredith to not only get angry, but also insult Amanda. Say some insulting things to her. Perhaps things which had been in the back of her mind, and when she was pushed to a point by Amanda, she just let all of those thoughts out.

And Amanda, thinking they were very good friends and not aware of any of these feelings that Meredith had about her, was very surprised. And very hurt.

You know, it's not hard to imagine....that someone you think of as a very good friend, and suddenly they say some mean things to you, out of nowhere. Because it would have been out of nowhere, as Amanda herself has said that she thought she and Meredith were good friends and there was no tension. And she has said herself that she did not know anything about what Meredith had told her British friends about her.

So perhaps Meredith said some mean things to Amanda in the moment, because she was so annoyed and so perturbed at Amanda.

 

[Katody]

No, it wouldn't be seething, raging Meredith. Angry, yes I believe as it escalated, of course she would have gotten angry. Annoyed, yes. Perhaps critical. Wanting to not be disturbed/teased, yes? I think they probably egged her on and egged her on until the point where she did get very angry.

Like seething and raging angry? Naah.. not that type. She would say it's no longer funny and walk away. She wasn't a five year old after all.

Why would Guede take part in something like this? And suddenly rape and murder her? That's a weak point of it.

 

[quesarita]

Well, there is no doubt at all that Guede was criminally minded. He had probably dealt drugs, or been caught with them. And perhaps the police arrested him, and told him, "It's either jail for you, or you can become an informant. We'll protect you." All I know is, the way he was never arrested even when caught in the act , would seem to indicate that he was being protected as a police informant.

If that is the case, then I can see the police protecting themselves (for protecting Rudy) by minimizing his role in the murder.

 

[aa9511]

Maybe as more and more people are reading up on the trial and not just one interpretation, questions are coming out.

Apparently, others are starting to see the inconsistencies.

Even though the comment may not have come from someone that took part in the prank, it's obvious that someone that was there thought it was a strange coincidence and began thinking and talking about it.

Yes, you are so right.

 

[SMK]

bbm

Perhaps the prank was not well-received in that it caused Meredith to not only get angry, but also insult Amanda. Say some insulting things to her. Perhaps things which had been in the back of her mind, and when she was pushed to a point by Amanda, she just let all of those thoughts out.

And Amanda, thinking they were very good friends and not aware of any of these feelings that Meredith had about her, was very surprised. And very hurt.

You know, it's not hard to imagine....that someone you think of as a very good friend, and suddenly they say some mean things to you, out of nowhere. Because it would have been out of nowhere, as Amanda herself has said that she thought she and Meredith were good friends and there was no tension. And she has said herself that she did not know anything about what Meredith had told her British friends about her.

So perhaps Meredith said some mean things to Amanda in the moment, because she was so annoyed and so perturbed at Amanda.

I agree fully. I have even had that type of thing happen myself - not with a prank, but with someone saying things I hadn't been aware that they felt. It can be shocking. And if you are vulnerable, and drunk or stoned, it could be quite alarming. Guede had said that Meredith said, "I really can't stand that drugged-up tart" - doesn't really sound like Meredith, but maybe she was, as you say, letting some pent up frustration out, with insults.