Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

[otto]

Ahhhh. Reasonable questions utilizing logic and common sense!



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That seems to be the newest complaint: Police failed in their duties because they did not identify the other contributor to the DNA sample found on the bra clasp. The other contributor could be Meredith's boyfriend, or it could be unidentified from a night at the club on October 31, 2007 (until 5AM).

• If the DNA is from the boyfriend, it's valid, making Sollecito's contribution more valid.
  
• If the DNA is from the night before, there's nothing to be done, no fault of police, as they are prevented by law from rounding people up for random DNA testing.
  
• If the DNA that is identified is in the system, and that person know's Guede, then the Lone Wolf Theory, and Hendry, is out the window. (doesn't benefit Knox)
  
• If the DNA that is identified is in the system, and there's no connection to Guede, it's also not helpful.

I'm not seeing an upside for the defense yet.

 

[otto]

The more I think about it, the statement: Police failed in their duties because they did not identify the other contributor to the DNA sample found on the bra clasp seems to become more curious.

I'd like to hear from Knox supporters why it is important to identify the contributor that was found in the sample attributed to Sollecito (on Meredith's bra clasp). In what way would identifying that person change the direction of the case and trial decisions?

I suppose I'm wondering whether identifying this unidentified DNA contributor is something that never had a logical, applicable purpose, but which was thrown up like a smoke screen, like a straw man or a glass house, as something that would not benefit Knox, but which appears to find fault with investigators ... for the purpose of finding fault, rather than for any constructive purpose.

 

[otto]

Would it be fair to say that although Sollecito's DNA is found in one location on Meredith's bra, and Guede's DNA is found in one location on her sweatshirt, that much is equal? Guede was apparently stupid enough to step in blood, wipe his hands on the wall and leave prints as he ran for the door. He also forgot to flush. Sollecito apparently didn't step in blood until after he removed his shoes and he didn't smear blood on the wall (a 3rd yr CompSc student would know this). Knox apparently got some blood on one shoe and stepped on the pillow. Knox removed her shoes to sort something out, perhaps it involved putting her lamp on the floor of Meredith's bedroom. Both Knox and Sollecito left barefoot print evidence connecting to Meredith's bedroom. Knox also mixed her DNA with Meredith's blood in the bathroom and in Filomina's bedroom, where there was a staged break-in. Where Knox's DNA is mixed with Meredith's blood ... did Knox have a nose bleed?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Would it be fair to say that although Sollecito's DNA is found in one location on Meredith's bra, and Guede's DNA is found in one location on her sweatshirt, that much is equal? Guede was apparently stupid enough to step in blood, wipe his hands on the wall and leave prints as he ran for the door. He also forgot to flush. Sollecito apparently didn't step in blood until after he removed his shoes and didn't smear blood on the wall. Knox apparently got some blood on one shoe and stepped on the pillow. Knox removed her shoes to sort something out, perhaps it involved putting her lamp on the floor of Meredith's bedroom. Both Knox and Sollecito left barefoot print evidence connecting to Meredith's bedroom. Knox also mixed her DNA with Meredith's blood in the bathroom and in Filomina's bedroom, where there was a staged break-in. Where Knox's DNA is mixed with Meredith's blood ... did Knox have a nose bleed?

Magical bleeding ears iirc


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[MichaelSmith]

That's unfortunate, because it would be helpful to know if anyone else brought the lamp to Meredith's bedroom. If only Knox's DNA is on the lamp, then it's difficult to accept that someone else put it Meredith's bedroom. If someone else's DNA is on the lamp, like Meredith's, then we would all be able to remove that odd piece of evidence from the equation.

Any thoughts on why defense lawyers did not request that it be tested?

They only did 1 test on the rock. If they were willing to do 18 on Raffaele's car then you'd think they would have done two dozen to try and prove the staging and tie them to the rock.

Any thoughts why they didn't bother with the rock or Filomena's room?

 

[otto]

Magical bleeding ears iirc


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Since the age of 6, when I entered grade school, I saw girls with newly pierced ears. No one was bleeding all over the place. Why would Knox be actively dripping blood from ear piercings? She showered with Sollecito the night before and there was no dripping blood, nothing that required mention or a Band-Aid.

Seriously, if ear piercings resulted in dripping blood, there would be Band-Aids rather than golden hoops.

Is Knox's blood mixed with Meredith's blood in the bathroom?

 

[Linda7NJ]

They only did 1 test on the rock. If they were willing to do 18 on Raffaele's car then you'd think they would have done two dozen to try and prove the staging and tie them to the rock.



Any thoughts why they didn't bother with the rock or Filomena's room?

It's was obvious to law enforcement it was staged. They know what a real b&e looks like. (Also reminiscent of Jodi Arias's staged break in)

They have more than enough IMO to prove it. The undisturbed shards of glass on the sill alone proves it.

People that break in to rob take valuables with them! Considering that Knox supporters have Rudy shoeless and doing the bunny hop in the bathroom to wash blood from his pants ...then to rearrange Meredith's body getting blood on his shoes ...you'd think he actually take something. That was the goal at the start. Wasn't it?






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[otto]

They only did 1 test on the rock. If they were willing to do 18 on Raffaele's car then you'd think they would have done two dozen to try and prove the staging and tie them to the rock.

Any thoughts why they didn't bother with the rock or Filomena's room?

We'll set aside the correction regarding luminol sensitivity, and the fact that there is no upside for Knox if police identify the unknown contributor in the sample that implicates Sollecito, and look at the rock.

What about the rock is in question? It weighs 9 pounds. It was allegedly thrown a horizontal distance of 13 feet (parking lot), or from the ground 14' feet below. Either way, it allegedly turned 90 degrees to the left after hitting the shutter while the glass maintained it's trajectory. If it was thrown from the ground, hopefully no one was hit in the head too many times.

What does this mean: If they were willing to do 18 on Raffaele's car
Were 18 rocks thrown at Sollecito's car?

 

[Linda7NJ]

They only did 1 test on the rock. If they were willing to do 18 on Raffaele's car then you'd think they would have done two dozen to try and prove the staging and tie them to the rock.



Any thoughts why they didn't bother with the rock or Filomena's room?

A car is much bigger than a rock

A car has more places that could possibly contain evidence than a rock.


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[Linda7NJ]

Since the age of 6, when I entered grade school, I saw girls with newly pierced ears. No one was bleeding all over the place. Why would Knox be actively dripping blood from ear piercings? She showered with Sollecito the night before and there was no dripping blood, nothing that required mention or a Band-Aid.



Seriously, if ear piercings resulted in dripping blood, there would be Band-Aids rather than golden hoops.



Is Knox's blood mixed with Meredith's blood in the bathroom?

Agreed. And it sure is. Mixed. In that bathroom.


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[otto]

It's was obvious to law enforcement it was staged. They know what a real b&e looks like. (Also reminiscent of Jodi Arias's staged break in)

They have more than enough IMO to prove it. The undisturbed shards of glass on the sill alone proves it.

People that break in to rob take valuables with them! Considering that Knox supporters have Rudy shoeless and doing the bunny hop in the bathroom to wash blood from his pants ...then to rearrange Meredith's body getting blood on his shoes ...you'd think he actually take something. That was the goal at the start. Wasn't it?



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The undisturbed glass sitting on the exterior ledge of the window had to be removed if someone was going to climb through that right-side shutter and right-side window. If it wasn't removed, it would have resulted in cuts, or fallen to the ground. It was suggested that Guede removed the glass from the window sill, before he climbed through the window, placing it on the ledge in the exact spot where he would need to perch in order to climb through the window. If Guede was interested in throwing rocks, smearing his bloody hands on the wall and leaving his toilet unflushed, why would he neatly line up glass in a location that interfered with his burglary?

 

[Linda7NJ]

The undisturbed glass sitting on the exterior ledge of the window had to be removed if someone was going to climb through that right-side shutter and right-side window. If it wasn't removed, it would have resulted in cuts, or fallen to the ground. It was suggested that Guede removed the glass from the window sill, before he climbed through the window, placing it on the ledge in the exact spot where he would need to perch in order to climb through the window. If Guede was interested in throwing rocks, smearing his bloody hands on the wall and leaving his toilet unflushed, why would he neatly line up glass in a location that interfered with his burglary?

I think we can easily rule out OCD


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[otto]

Agreed. And it sure is. Mixed. In that bathroom.


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More like a bleeding nose in the area of the sink, or did she do this in the bidet?


... drip blood onto Meredith's blood with an ear piercing?

 

[otto]

I think we can easily rule out OCD


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Yes. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder should be in Guede's medical report if he has a tendency to line up glass one moment and smear blood the next. Wouldn't OCD be evident after 6 years in prison?

 

[DerKritiker2011]

The undisturbed glass sitting on the exterior ledge of the window had to be removed if someone was going to climb through that right-side shutter and right-side window. If it wasn't removed, it would have resulted in cuts, or fallen to the ground. It was suggested that Guede removed the glass from the window sill, before he climbed through the window, placing it on the ledge in the exact spot where he would need to perch in order to climb through the window. If Guede was interested in throwing rocks, smearing his bloody hands on the wall and leaving his toilet unflushed, why would he neatly line up glass in a location that interfered with his burglary?

What about going through the left-side window?

 

[Harmony 2]

This photo (TJMK) was taken just inside Meredith's bedroom door. The A, B and C markers point out 3 bloody shoe prints matching Guede's shoes. There are not pools or smears of blood in this area of the bedroom.

There is no reasonable reason IMO for the police to NOT test the floor here with luminol after they had just found bare foot prints with luminol on the other side of this door.

If the only explanation available is that the police are completely trustworthy and infallible and it was their decision to make, I don't accept that. They wanted very badly to place Amanda on this side of Meredith's door.

There is a very detailed analysis of the partial print on the pillow that they said was compatible with Amanda's shoe size (not her shoe) that matches it to the other prints of Rudy's, but if people will not read sites that don't agree with their point if view, not much point in posting it IMO.

From Massei:

Page 344
It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor...

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

Here are Vinci's comparisons to Rudy's Nike Outbreak 2 for the disputed print on the pillowcase attributed by the prosecution as belonging to a female's shoe:

page 32

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Vinci.pdf

I would like to see a comparison by the prosecution's shoe witness because just stating size of a female's shoe does not cut it for me...

 

[Harmony 2]

Magical bleeding ears iirc


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There was a spot on her pillow that imo looks like it could have come from a bleeding earlobe when sleeping. The spot was tested but I guess too degraded to yield results. The photo of the blood spot is attached.

link

 

[Bill C]

The complaint seems to be that police have not done their jobs because they have not discovered the identity(s) of the other contributors to Sollecito's DNA sample.

How would knowing the identity help? Here are the three outcomes I see (am I missing something?):

1. Guede had an accomplice with DNA on file ... that doesn't help Knox
2. The other contributor is explained (boyfriend) ... minimizes contamination theory, confirms Sollecito
3. The other contributor is unknown (might be someone in the clubs)

What next. If police are doing something wrong, what is their next step ... to command all males that crossed paths with Meredith to provide DNA samples?

How about testing the members of the team that collected the clasp or for that matter anyone else who entered the murder room after the room was broken into by the police. If there was a match from any of those it would PROVE contamination.

 

[otto]

What about going through the left-side window?

I'm not sure which one that is. The easiest point of entry is to climb up the metal grille under the balcony and break in through the kitchen window.

 

[otto]

From Massei:

Page 344
It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor...

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

Here are Vinci's comparisons to Rudy's Nike Outbreak 2 for the disputed print on the pillowcase attributed by the prosecution as belonging to a female's shoe:

page 32

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Vinci.pdf

I would like to see a comparison by the prosecution's shoe witness because just stating size of a female's shoe does not cut it for me...

Regarding the print attributed to Knox, the court does not express an opinion, and instead points out that there is ample evidence of Knox barefoot at the crime scene:

"The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion ... but, on the contrary ... one must attribute [Knox] moving herself about the murder scene essentially in bare feet, as shown in the part of the report that examines the genetic investigations that were done on certain biological traces and the positive Luminol prints."

Massei Report; pg 344