Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

[aa9511]

We misunderstood each other. I was not referring to Rudy's story of "fooling around" with Meredith, but the DNA evidence of himself inside of her, and the untested semen near her.

I did mention "testimony" but I looked it up and what I was referring to was only attributed to Rudy, not a part of his testimony.

So, IMO he wore gloves throughout the break in and attack, up until the point when he left his DNA inside her.

I don't mean to be crude, but why would he need to take his gloves off for what you mentioned? Anything he supposedly did to her or to himself would not be amplified by taking his gloves off.

It makes more sense that he just did not wear gloves to begin with.

Also, that woudl account for Rudy's fingerprints. But what about Amanda, RS, and Filomena's? Would his wearing gloves have some magical powers whereby Amanda and Filomena's fingerprints were "zapped" by these gloves? That he just waved his gloved hands around and, these gloves having superpowers, they lasered away all of Amanda and Filomena fingerprints?

His wearing or not wearing gloves does not explain that.

 

[quesarita]

Those seem like two totally different things to me. Yes, Ron Hendry also said "for reasons only Rudy knows," so I can see that he tried very hard to figure out a logical way Meredith was murdered.

It would make sense if he organized the clothes in a neat way, shirts folded, stacked neatly.....that would be a better comparison to the tools. Or, he organized the items on Filomena's table neatly. Or...well as we see there is no evidence that he was really anywhere else. Large bathroom - mess in toilet. Meredth bedroom - mess. Everywhere we have evidence of, he made a mess. There is nothing orderly.

I don't see how the glass from a window he broke is compared to organizing tools.

The placement of glass fragments in front of a computer in the copier room (not the location of the broken window) was the reason I started reading the testimony, but what immediately struck me were the references to clothes and glass found together on the floor.

One of the tenets of the "staging" theory is that a true burglar would not have thrown some random clothes on the floor. Drawers would have been searched or emptied to look for valuables, but there would be no reason for a burglar to throw a few pieces only on the floor.

And yet that was exactly what struck Brocchi and the police on the scene according to his testimony.

 

[aa9511]

DNA does not only come from fingers, obviously. And again, I believe he took off at least one glove for the purpose of molesting Meredith, leaving a palm print under her body.

The police did investigate the lawyers' break in, and I believe looked for finger prints at that time. They already had Rudy's prints on file, so either they did not find any, or they did, but suppressed that information for their own reasons.

bbm

But the way you said it earlier, seemed like you knew for sure that they checked it for fingerprints. So what you're saying is that we don't really know whether they tested it for fingerprints or not, is that correct?

If we don't even know whether they tested for fingerprints or not tested, I think it's a big jump to then talk about "suppressing information."

 

[aa9511]

I would also like to point out that it's not like he would have been dealing with plastic - borken glass is broken glass. Why would he want to possibly cut himself?

 

[sherlockh]

Yes! That is what I said to. It is so odd. What would be any possible reason for that??

He would probably say he looked behind the door to see if there were any burglars hidden there. I don't recall him ever saying he went into that room though. I don't know.

 

[aa9511]

He would probably say he looked behind the door to see if there were any burglars hidden there. I don't recall him ever saying he went into that room though. I don't know.

Yes, but why would he be going into Laura's room even during the clean-up?

 

[sherlockh]

Yes, but why would he be going into Laura's room even during the clean-up?

They were going to stage a burglary. So they looked around which room to pick. Or maybe he needed to make an undisturbed phone call to the police while the police was there

 

[aa9511]

One more things about the glass, when would he have done this? We see him ransacking Filomena's room (Innocence theory), then he supposedly goes straight to the bathroom. Why would he stack pieces of glass when he hadn't even checked the other rooms to see what "goodies" the other rooms had in them? And to see what goodies were in the fridge? I just don't see that happening.

 

[quesarita]

He would probably say he looked behind the door to see if there were any burglars hidden there. I don't recall him ever saying he went into that room though. I don't know.

Good point!

 

[aa9511]

They were going to stage a burglary. So they looked around which room to pick. Or maybe he needed to make an undisturbed phone call to the police while the police was there

Bingo. Thank you, I believe you cracked that mystery...thanks.

 

[otto]

I want to know how Guede managed to get through that window without knocking any of that stacked glass onto the ground below.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I want to know how Guede managed to get through that window without knocking any of that stacked glass onto the ground below.

He stacked it there after he climbed thru


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[quesarita]

I don't mean to be crude, but why would he need to take his gloves off for what you mentioned? Anything he supposedly did to her or to himself would not be amplified by taking his gloves off.

It makes more sense that he just did not wear gloves to begin with.

Also, that woudl account for Rudy's fingerprints. But what about Amanda, RS, and Filomena's? Would his wearing gloves have some magical powers whereby Amanda and Filomena's fingerprints were "zapped" by these gloves? That he just waved his gloved hands around and, these gloves having superpowers, they lasered away all of Amanda and Filomena fingerprints?

His wearing or not wearing gloves does not explain that.

Eh, the autopsy report states the likelihood that Meredith was "digitally penetrated" (as opposed to with a penis). The semen at the scene also suggests masturbation. IMO, both of those activities would have been done without a glove.

 

[otto]

One more things about the glass, when would he have done this? We see him ransacking Filomena's room (Innocence theory), then he supposedly goes straight to the bathroom. Why would he stack pieces of glass when he hadn't even checked the other rooms to see what "goodies" the other rooms had in them? And to see what goodies were in the fridge? I just don't see that happening.

I know the answer to that, as that information was provided a few weeks ago. He was on the window ledge and had to remove some glass from the window frame so he could access the window latch before climbing through the window. Apparently he removed the glass and lined it up on the ledge, and then he entered the room.

 

[dgfred]

No semen stain to suggest possible m. Are you speaking of the untested part of the stain?

 

[Footwarrior]

They were going to stage a burglary. So they looked around which room to pick. Or maybe he needed to make an undisturbed phone call to the police while the police was there

Only for people who have not seen the evidence from the car park video and cell phone records that proves Raffelle called the Italian emergency number before the Postal Police arrived.

 

[quesarita]

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bbm

But the way you said it earlier, seemed like you knew for sure that they checked it for fingerprints. So what you're saying is that we don't really know whether they tested it for fingerprints or not, is that correct?

If we don't even know whether they tested for fingerprints or not tested, I think it's a big jump to then talk about "suppressing information."

As I said earlier, I think I have a higher opinion of the competence of Perugian police. Fingerprinting is what the police do when they're investigating a burglary.

 

[dgfred]

Welcome back Dgfred long time no see!

I did miss when AK admitted a previous 'prank' against a friend using ski-mask and faking a robbery :banghead: <modsnip>

What did everyone think about that? I almost fell off my computer chair.

Do tell.

 

[quesarita]

I would also like to point out that it's not like he would have been dealing with plastic - borken glass is broken glass. Why would he want to possibly cut himself?

I don't understand this comment. If you mean, why would he carry broken glass into another room, I have no idea. Why would he line up tools on top of a briefcase?

 

[otto]

He stacked it there after he climbed thru


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He broke the window and then climbed through that window, ensuring that not a single glass shard fell on the ground below. Then, he picked the glass off the floor and laid it on the exterior ledge of the window, exactly as it would appear if the window was broken with a closed exterior shutter. Next, he threw Filomina's clothing and computer on the floor, and then, I guess, he threw some glass onto those things - but different glass from the glass in a row, and then he suddenly had to go to the bathroom. Then he had some juice and decided to murder Meredith?