Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#14

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Oh one more thing, I think you should have bolded "Sollecito and Knox's defenders" as well. Would venture to guess they are biased in their opinion.

The point is more that the clasp was not found for 6 weeks. And not by police by someone that notified police. No one knows who put it there. or who touched it.

IT is bad evidence.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The bra clasp that was found 6 weeks after the crime and reported by a neighbor? Come on.

"They also testified that they found Sollecito's DNA on Kercher's bra clasp. Sollecito and Knox's defenders dispute the quality of this evidence, suggesting it resulted either from the sort of contamination bound to happen when people share close quarters or from police misconduct, since the clasp was discovered weeks after the discovery of the body and the initial investigation."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/young/amanda_knox_trial_update/3.html


This is a stinking case. Not one with merit and justice. Not one clean of contamination.

Respectfully disagree that this is a "stinking case" considering the overwhelming other physical evidence against Knox and Sollecito that was presented at the Trial ...

DNA was not the only evidence taken into consideration :

There were numerous "changing stories" by both Knox and Raf, and in particular, the continuous changing of the alibis ...

There are those cell phone records and computer records, which records do not "lie" and records do not match what Knox and Raf "claim" ...

There was an obviously "staged crime scene" with glass on TOP of the roommate's clothes and belongings ...

There was the "clean-up" ... and what is interesting about the "clean-up" is what was NOT found in the cottage ...

There was Knox's lamp found in Meredith's room ...

There's the "knife" found in Sollecito's apartment with Meredith's DNA on it -- and Meredith had NEVER been in Raf's apartment ...

Oh, and Meredith's 2 cell phones that were thrown away ... and Meredith's LOCKED door ...

And then there's Knox's accusation against an innocent man, which IMO, "sealed it" for me.

JMO, but even IF the "bra clasp" evidence would have been thrown out, there was still overwhelming evidence placing Knox and Raf IN the cottage at the time of Meredith's murder.

:moo:

 

[Amber29]

The fact they were expected/required to prove their innocence is a major difference in systems. IMHO it should always be required for a state (or country) to prove guilt. But that's their system.

That's not true that I know of. The burden was on the prosecution.

 

[iluvmua]

Please tell me Amanda will be brought back to Italy to serve her sentence.

And the prison where Amanda was at is pretty nice compared to the prisons in the USA.

 

[Jessica2012]

There is no such thing as double jeopardy in Italy. Is the idea that US law should be adopted throughout the world?

Otto, please correct me if I am wrong. They were released on appeal which found them "not guilty", then that appeal was annulled correct? Annulled means it did not exist. Therefore my understanding is that this was their appeal trial and not a retrial. In my opinion this does not constitute double jeopardy?

 

[Amber29]

The point is more that the clasp was not found for 6 weeks. And not by police by someone that notified police. No one knows who put it there. or who touched it.

IT is bad evidence.

This is simply not true, don't know where this is coming from but it's misinformation.

 

[iluvmua]

The point is more that the clasp was not found for 6 weeks. And not by police by someone that notified police. No one knows who put it there. or who touched it.

IT is bad evidence.

Nobody put it there, they failed to collect it the first time and it just sat in the room until they did finally collect it for evidence.

 

[otto]

No, of course not. I don't believe that in THIS case that the U.S. is going to hand over a citizen based on a dubious verdict stemming from a spurious prosecution. This was an obviously terribly mishandled murder case. I believe the U.S. courts have a higher prosecutorial and evidentiary standard than what the Italians have illustrated. There is no hard, fast, indisputable evidence proving Knox murdered Meredith Kercher. I believe the U.S. will respectfully decline to extradite her, unless the Italian courts can shore up their case, fill in the holes, and provide some hard proof of guilt. They haven't been able to do that thus far. Extradition is a big deal, and in this case, I believe the Italians have failed to achieve the threshold of evidence that would prompt or support an extradition.

If the US is not prepared to respect the Italian justice system and it's decisions, then the treaties should not have been signed. The treaties were signed because there is nothing wrong with the Italian justice system. Knox can complain as loud as she likes about Prosecutor Crini, but there's no substance to the complaints.

 

[iluvmua]

I quit following this case since the last verdict, so i'm kinda shocked they did find her guilty and i'm glad they did, i've always thought she was involved in some way.

and her behavior was just WEIRD.

I'll never forget the look on her face when she is outside the cottage embraced in Raf's arms.

does anybody remember that.

 

[Snoods]

Totally agree. Was glad when Guedd was sentenced. This is a witch hunt.

And the person I believe to be solely responsible for the murder of Meredith, career criminal Rudy Guede, will be eligible for parole this year after only serving 8 years. How is this justice for Meredith? I'm sure RG is dancing a jig in his cell after hearing this verdict. MOO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think Italy has double jeopardy also, but the trial needs to be completely finalized and that hasn't happened yet. I can't imagine Italy won't request extradition for a murderer, and I don't see why the US would want to keep one. It will all take awhile though. One year probably before the Supreme Court finalizes this verdict.

:seeya: Hi Sherlockh,


RBBM: Exactly ... the TRIAL has not been "completely finalized" ... it has to go through the entire process !

Thank You !

 

[Vinny]

If the US is not prepared to respect the Italian justice system and it's decisions, then the treaties should not have been signed. The treaties were signed because there is nothing wrong with the Italian justice system. Knox can complain as loud as she likes about Prosecutor Crini, but there's no substance to the complaints.

Fair points. But even countries with treaties have denied each other extraditions on various grounds. A treaty isn't a law, it's just a way of saying that two countries are in cooperation regarding a certain matter. It's not the be-all and end-all of relations between two countries.

I think if the U.S. for some reason did deny the extradition, 1 criminal is not going to damage long standing relations between two countries.

With that being said I hope and do believe she will be extradited. Sollecito is going to serve his time and Knox needs to as well.

 

[animlzrule]

If the US is not prepared to respect the Italian justice system and it's decisions, then the treaties should not have been signed. The treaties were signed because there is nothing wrong with the Italian justice system. Knox can complain as loud as she likes about Prosecutor Crini, but there's no substance to the complaints.

There still has to be probable cause to believe the accused has committed the offense charged. They can decline to extradite based on this criteria. With all of the media hoopla and revelations about what a circus the investigation, prosecution and trials were, I don't think the U.S. is going to find that there is probable cause to extradite. The treaties and requests for extradition are not recognized without scrutiny, and rightly so. I could be very wrong, but I will be very surprised if she winds up being extradited.

 

[iluvmua]

And the person I believe to be solely responsible for the murder of Meredith, career criminal Rudy Guede, will be eligible for parole this year after only serving 8 years. How is this justice for Meredith? I'm sure RG is dancing a jig in his cell after hearing this verdict. MOO.

only reason why he's getting out is because he opted for a fast track trial.

 

[iluvmua]

I hope she gets sent back to Italy.

MK will never get to see the light of day ever again.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I quit following this case since the last verdict, so i'm kinda shocked they did find her guilty and i'm glad they did, i've always thought she was involved in some way.

and her behavior was just WEIRD.

I'll never forget the look on her face when she is outside the cottage embraced in Raf's arms.

does anybody remember that.

BBM: JMO, but I believe that Knox was THE "instigator" of whatever happened that evening ...

Ah yes, that "look" on Knox's face outside the cottage the day Meredith was found ...

Creepy, IMO ...

:moo:

 

[Harmony 2]

And the person I believe to be solely responsible for the murder of Meredith, career criminal Rudy Guede, will be eligible for parole this year after only serving 8 years. How is this justice for Meredith? I'm sure RG is dancing a jig in his cell after hearing this verdict. MOO.

I bet he is laughing with duping delight...

 

[JaneyBGood]

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/...ttle-pr-firm-reveals-efforts-to.html?page=all

Curt Knox was an executive at Macy's when this all began.

I work in the fashion industry!! An executive at Macy's is not akin to being a Rockefeller!

 

[JaneyBGood]

This is simply not true, don't know where this is coming from but it's misinformation.

No, Amber29...it is true and you will find links and sources to prove it true in previous threads...

 

[For The Kids]

Fair points. But even countries with treaties have denied each other extraditions on various grounds. A treaty isn't a law, it's just a way of saying that two countries are in cooperation regarding a certain matter. It's not the be-all and end-all of relations between two countries.

I think if the U.S. for some reason did deny the extradition, 1 criminal is not going to damage long standing relations between two countries.

With that being said I hope and do believe she will be extradited. Sollecito is going to serve his time and Knox needs to as well.

If America doesn't hand over someone convicted of murder I cant see Italy being happy about it and its going to lead to other countries saying if America don't extradite people then why should we honor there requests?