Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#14

[Karmady]

The choice is to run now or fight extradition later. She can't do both since she will be arrested when the extradition is requested.

If I were her, I would have been there already!

Was thinking about extradition and double jeopardy. Since the double jeopardy is specifically written in to the treaty (iirc, and I think I do), I think it's an arguable basis for denying extradition. Here, if a person is found guilty and the guilty verdict is overturned entirely on appeal, you don't send them back for another trial so I think there may be a colorable argument that the Italian procedure amounts to double jeopardy. I wonder if there's any precedent for this specific scenario involving an American after the treaty was in effect. I imagine in most cases the guilty verdict would have been affirmed on appeal.

I've been wondering how this would play out if this happened, so I guess now I'll know!

jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes and they told many untruths in those interviews, like the 54 hour interrogation claim with no food or drink iirc.

And how she was wrongfully in prison...leaving out she accused an innocent man.
Claims that their is zero evidence
How police roughed her up.

On and on and on...


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[LinasK]

But not unexpected. I have a feeling in addition to this being a hollow victory for the prosecution, it also must not be vindication in any sort of way for the Kercher family. They know any verdict this court announces is suspect due to the way the investigation was mishandled. One murdered, several lives tainted forever, and no real justice done.

'No one remembers Meredith' The case has dragged on for more than six years, frustrating attempts by Kercher's family to discover the truth about her death. The three trials have done little to clear up mysteries surrounding the details of the murder.
"They are tired of this long trial and they want justice," Francesci Maresca, attorney for the Kercher family, said.
The Kercher family welcomed the retrial ruling, Maresca said in March, adding they believed the ruling that acquitted Knox and Sollecito was "superficial and unbalanced."
They believe more than one person was in the room when Kercher was killed, he said.
"No one remembers Meredith, while the two defendants write books, speak to the media and earn money," Maresca told the court in closing remarks last month. http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-retrial/

 

[LinasK]

However, any extradition order would have to wait until the convictions are final, and Knox's lawyer in Italy says she will appeal the verdict.
Sollecito will also appeal guilty verdict

Sollecito is free, pending a definitive confirmation of the verdict by the court, but cannot travel out of Italy.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-31/amanda-knox-guilty-murder-retrial/5229570

 

[Harmony 2]

46 days is nothing. There are cases in the US where evidence was collected two years after the murder and the scene was released in the interim. In this case, the crime scene was sealed between the two evidence collection dates.

Page 201

She wasn’t able to specify how many people had entered the house at Via della Pergola 7, between the first search and the December 18 one, nor the number of ingresses made.

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Back to the "bra clasp" :

IF Rudy was the "lone wolf" then why was his DNA NOT found on the bra clasp ?

While Rudy's DNA was found on Meredith and in her room, it was NOT found on her bra clasp.

So ... IF the bra clasp was "contaminated" as many contend, then HOW do you explain the absence of Rudy's DNA on the clasp IF he was the "lone wolf" ?

One answer IMO is simple : Rudy did not cut the bra clasp.

:twocents:

 

[sherlockh]

I wish Washington state LE would arrest her now, so that she's not a flight risk.lease:lease:lease:

Yes, there should be something in the law to monitor her at least. I really like to think Knox won't do it again. BUT if you think about it. It is bizarre that she is still out and free. They are even interviewing her on television I believe. 'Miss Knox, you have just been convicted for murder. How do you feel now?'. Crazy. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

The point is more that the clasp was not found for 6 weeks. And not by police by someone that notified police. No one knows who put it there. or who touched it.



IT is bad evidence.

That defies logic.

His DNA did not magically fly onto the clasp,

It's not like it wasn't still at the crime scene. It was found in her room.

We know it was Meredith's and it was on her the night she was murdered.

We know who touched it. His DNA was found on it. His DNA had no business being there.

If it was a frame job, I'm certain the police could have done a far better job of it.

He claims to have never been in her room.

If it wasn't found for 6 weeks, it makes sense it wasn't touched for 6 weeks.


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[LinasK]

Yes, there should be something in the law to monitor her at least. I really like to think Knox won't do it again. BUT if you think about it. It is bizarre that she is still out and free. They are even interviewing her on television I believe. 'Miss Knox, you have just been convicted for murder. How do you feel now?'. Crazy. JMO

She's another Casey Anthony. I've been wondering how Casey feels about her today.

 

[LinasK]

Yes, there should be something in the law to monitor her at least. I really like to think Knox won't do it again. BUT if you think about it. It is bizarre that she is still out and free. They are even interviewing her on television I believe. 'Miss Knox, you have just been convicted for murder. How do you feel now?'. Crazy. JMO

Yeah, her response will be, "I'm going to the SuperBowl!" or Disneyland.

 

[otto]

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

One question about the bra clasp contamination theory has been ignored for years: if the clasp was contaminated at the cottage, where did the DNA come from and how did it get onto the clasp?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

One question about the bra clasp contamination theory has been ignored for years: if the clasp was contaminated at the cottage, where did the DNA come from and how did it get onto the clasp?

And whose unknown dna was on it??

 

[otto]

Yes, there should be something in the law to monitor her at least. I really like to think Knox won't do it again. BUT if you think about it. It is bizarre that she is still out and free. They are even interviewing her on television I believe. 'Miss Knox, you have just been convicted for murder. How do you feel now?'. Crazy. JMO

Very strange! Perhaps someone can do a show with Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox ... perhaps they have some advice about how to commit murder and get rich.

 

[animlzrule]

'No one remembers Meredith' The case has dragged on for more than six years, frustrating attempts by Kercher's family to discover the truth about her death. The three trials have done little to clear up mysteries surrounding the details of the murder.
"They are tired of this long trial and they want justice," Francesci Maresca, attorney for the Kercher family, said.
The Kercher family welcomed the retrial ruling, Maresca said in March, adding they believed the ruling that acquitted Knox and Sollecito was "superficial and unbalanced."
They believe more than one person was in the room when Kercher was killed, he said.
"No one remembers Meredith, while the two defendants write books, speak to the media and earn money," Maresca told the court in closing remarks last month. http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-retrial/

And again, I say: They know any verdict this court announces is suspect due to the way the investigation was mishandled. They are a devastated family, grasping at straws. I don't believe they can truly convince themselves, based on the evidence presented and the way the prosecution and trial was conducted, that justice has been served. Of course their legal representation is not going to admit to that. What they want, is their daughter and sister back. I suppose, for them,( or lawyers?) vengeance, however misguided, is the next best thing. I'm not saying that I don't understand that motivation, if it was my sister I'd probably initially react the same way. I don't like Amanda Knox either. But she hasn't been proven to be a murderer, IMO. There's plenty of doubt there, and I'm sure the Kerchers, deep down, know it too.

 

[I Must Break You]

It wasn't overlooked. DNA has to be matched to a suspect and suspect DNA can only be collected when there is probable cause. How would it change the facts of the case if that DNA was identified?

It wouldn't change the facts. DNA is inclusive, not exclusive. So everyone who's DNA is present needs to be examined if there is a reason for their DNA to be there. That is if the DNA can be matched to someone. The facts in this case are Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp, and it had no other reason to be there other than he at some point touched her bra clasp. A third male's DNA may have been present, but if it doesn't match any known person very little can be done with it. Since we don't know who's DNA it is, there may be a logical reason for it to be there, while there is no logical innocent reason for Sollecito's to be.


Lack of DNA actually means nothing, because many times there just isn't DNA present.

 

[otto]

And whose unknown dna was on it??

That is not part of the question that has been ignored for years.

Regarding the identify of the unidentified DNA on the clasp, which suspects should it be compared to?

 

[LinasK]

And again, I say: They know any verdict this court announces is suspect due to the way the investigation was mishandled. They are a devastated family, grasping at straws. I don't believe they can truly convince themselves, based on the evidence presented and the way the prosecution and trial was conducted, that justice has been served. Of course their legal representation is not going to admit to that. What they want, is their daughter and sister back. I suppose, for them,( or lawyers?) vengeance, however misguided, is the next best thing. I'm not saying that I don't understand that motivation, if it was my sister I'd probably initially react the same way. I don't like Amanda Knox either. But she hasn't been proven to be a murderer, IMO. There's plenty of doubt there, and I'm sure the Kerchers, deep down, know it too.

Actually she has been proven to be a murderer-twice. And the Kerchers even said in my quote above that they believe more than one person was in the room when Meredith was killed. Do you think Rafe went there without Amanda??? Not likely- that leaves Rudy, Rafe, and Amanda all involved, and all were convicted in Meredith's death.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

It just happens to be one of only 2 pieces of forensic evidence found on RS in the entire cottage, along with some fingerprints on doors which would be relatively easy to find explanation for. Also, the knife at his place, but on which none of his DNA was found.

So please tell me TorisMom, and any others....why didn't Raffaele's lawyers separate him from Amanda's case from the very beginning? IMO, he would have had at least a better chance than he did this way.

Why would his lawyers not do that?

Could it be because they had to follow what course Raffaele wanted them to take? Could it be that it was actually RS who wanted to stick with Amanda, even though for his entire life circumstance, he would have much better chance if he separated his case from Amanda's?

It is not because of honor, as he likes to so publicly claim and conveniently make himself out to be hero. It is usually the cowards who want everyone to think they're heroes.

It's because he could not change course, he had to stick with his story, otherwise Amanda could possibly change course of her trial, and end up revealing his involvement.

BBM: Agree ...

And I think that Amanda was afraid that Raf was going to reveal how it all started ... Raf would NOT have been there that night IF it were not for Amanda ... Amanda is the pivotal point, IMO ...

Ah yes, I almost forgot : Raf's interview at the police station ...

Ah, another one : Knox's statement that Raf put the knife in her hand when she was sleeping ...

The stories go on and on and on ...

:scared:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Back to the "bra clasp" :



IF Rudy was the "lone wolf" then why was his DNA NOT found on the bra clasp ?



While Rudy's DNA was found on Meredith and in her room, it was NOT found on her bra clasp.



So ... IF the bra clasp was "contaminated" as many contend, then HOW do you explain the absence of Rudy's DNA on the clasp IF he was the "lone wolf" ?



One answer IMO is simple : Rudy did not cut the bra clasp.



:twocents:

IMO cutting the strap was part of the staging.


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[Linda7NJ]

Yes, there should be something in the law to monitor her at least. I really like to think Knox won't do it again. BUT if you think about it. It is bizarre that she is still out and free. They are even interviewing her on television I believe. 'Miss Knox, you have just been convicted for murder. How do you feel now?'. Crazy. JMO

She will have plenty to say on her media tour...I predict that will start tomorrow.
Wonder how much she will be paid for the interviews?


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