Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#14

[otto]

Nothing special about the bra clasp other than how it was collected. Found underneath other items, touched with dirty gloved hands, placed back on the floor to take a picture of it, then picked back up again and finally placed in the evidence bag. Nope, nothing special about it at all. And it just happens to be the only place where RS's DNA was found in Meredith's room. Lucky for the prosecutor, huh.

It was collected in the same way as all the other evidence was collected on that day. Where are the complaints about the collection of the sweatshirt? There are none. It was collected from the same room at the same time with the only difference being that it implicated Guede. That evidence is accepted, and the clasp was accepted for the same reasons: there is no evidence of any contamination at any time.

 

[TorisMom003]

Ok, so let's say that the bra clasp was not contaminated. Who else was messing with Meredith's bra clasp then? There was more than one males (RS) DNA on it. So how is that possible?

This is why there is disagreement about the bra clasp. It would be one thing if it only had the DNA of Meredith and RS on it but it doesn't. How can it be explained that there is unknown male DNA on the clasp?

 

[aa9511]

I bet he is laughing with duping delight...

I think Amanda and Raffaele have had their good share of duping delight also......

 

[I Must Break You]

yes, i can "wrap my head around it". why?

a lawyer, with a Masters of Law and a Doctorate, a past position in the office of the legal advisor to the State Dept., and currently a professor of international law, disagrees:



http://abcnews.go.com/International...-specter-extradition/story?id=22296604&page=2

Roger that, but it doesn't really matter what he thinks. This is their system, it has been their system for a long time and it's never been problem prior to apparently right now.

 

[Jacie Estes]

:drumroll::drumroll:

Here's a link from Reuter's today referencing the "PR machine" :


Initially portrayed as a sex-obsessed party girl, Knox has seen a steady transformation of her image, helped by a sophisticated publicity machine that has portrayed her as a victim of a faulty justice system.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/30/us-knox-verdict-guilty-idUSBREA0T1U520140130


:drumroll::drumroll:

[underlined by me]

The only victim was Meredith.

 

[aa9511]

No, Amber29...it is true and you will find links and sources to prove it true in previous threads...

Amber has been following this case for years, I doubt she suddenly has important information wrong....after all we've been discussing the evidence day in and day out on here...............

 

[TorisMom003]

It was collected in the same way as all the other evidence was collected on that day. Where are the complaints about the collection of the sweatshirt? There are none. It was collected from the same room at the same time with the only difference being that it implicated Guede. That evidence is accepted, and the clasp was accepted for the same reasons: there is no evidence of any contamination at any time.

Sorry but I have said before that anything collected that day was not collected properly. There is other evidence against RG that can not be explained away by contamination or poor collection. Anything found in Meredith's blood that can only be traced back to one person has no chance of contamination, such as the bloody handprint of RG's. Then there is the DNA found on and in Meredith that belongs to RG. Meredith was removed from the cottage that night so no chance of contamination at the cottage there.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sollecito-lose-meredith-kercher-murder-appeal

She does not even feel bad about her behavior at the police department after Meredith was murdered.

She has some nerve!


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

"But some independent forensic scientists told the BBC this knife (which had been considered a possible murder weapon) should never have been given the importance it was because there was no evidence of blood found on it."

"While that may seem on its face to be evidence of a crime, in order to substantiate such a small amount of DNA you look for blood, and I can't emphasise enough how small this was - it was just a few cells."

But there was no evidence of blood or any other body fluids found, the Boise State researcher points out."
"Another point of contention was the discovery that a third, unknown person's DNA profile retrieved from the bra clasp was overlooked by investigators. The appeal court subsequently ruled that the evidence could no longer be relied upon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24534110

 

[sherlockh]

True.

You know what though I think Knox will go into hiding or try to run. I think her and her family will do anything to keep her out of Italy.

How long could an extradition take?

The choice is to run now or fight extradition later. She can't do both since she will be arrested when the extradition is requested.

 

[LinasK]

The store where she bought the underwear was like a Target. The media made it sound like a Victoria's Secret. Elizabeth Vargas traveled to Perugia and visited the store.



http://www.examiner.com/article/eli...a-nightmarish-ordeal-for-amanda-knox-s-family

You can still buy lingerie at Target. I know for a fact, I was at my local Target yesterday...

 

[otto]

Sorry but I have said before that anything collected that day was not collected properly. There is other evidence against RG that can not be explained away by contamination or poor collection. Anything found in Meredith's blood that can only be traced back to one person has no chance of contamination, such as the bloody handprint of RG's. Then there is the DNA found on and in Meredith that belongs to RG. Meredith was removed from the cottage that night so no chance of contamination at the cottage there.

MOO

46 days is nothing. There are cases in the US where evidence was collected two years after the murder and the scene was released in the interim. In this case, the crime scene was sealed between the two evidence collection dates.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have read about this PR machine over and over, who was involved in this machine and how did they infiltrate the media and people's psyche? Amanda's parents look like your typical middle class income families, where did they acquire the riches and funds to afford such a huge PR machine?

Well according to Amanda who claims to be broke repaying the debt her parents went in...if she was paid a million dollars clear for that book, and you believe her, is bet that's where the money came from. Her parents mortgaged everything they own and took out loans.

I'm still trying to figure out how others believe everyone involved ...from the top down ...conspired to take down Amanda.


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[Linda7NJ]

I have read about this PR machine over and over, who was involved in this machine and how did they infiltrate the media and people's psyche? Amanda's parents look like your typical middle class income families, where did they acquire the riches and funds to afford such a huge PR machine?

Well according to Amanda who claims to be broke repaying the debt her parents went in...if she was paid a million dollars clear for that book, and you believe her, is bet that's where the money came from. Her parents mortgaged everything they own and borrowed even more.

I'm still trying to figure out how others believe everyone involved ...from the top down ...conspired to take down Amanda.


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[LinasK]

The choice is to run now or fight extradition later. She can't do both since she will be arrested when the extradition is requested.

I wish Washington state LE would arrest her now, so that she's not a flight risk.lease:lease:lease:

 

[otto]

"But some independent forensic scientists told the BBC this knife (which had been considered a possible murder weapon) should never have been given the importance it was because there was no evidence of blood found on it."

"While that may seem on its face to be evidence of a crime, in order to substantiate such a small amount of DNA you look for blood, and I can't emphasise enough how small this was - it was just a few cells."

But there was no evidence of blood or any other body fluids found, the Boise State researcher points out."
"Another point of contention was the discovery that a third, unknown person's DNA profile retrieved from the bra clasp was overlooked by investigators. The appeal court subsequently ruled that the evidence could no longer be relied upon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24534110

It wasn't overlooked. DNA has to be matched to a suspect and suspect DNA can only be collected when there is probable cause. How would it change the facts of the case if that DNA was identified?

 

[Linda7NJ]

But not unexpected. I have a feeling in addition to this being a hollow victory for the prosecution, it also must not be vindication in any sort of way for the Kercher family. They know any verdict this court announces is suspect due to the way the investigation was mishandled. One murdered, several lives tainted forever, and no real justice done.

The victim, Meredith's family, fully support the prosecution and stated it was the best they could have hoped for.
Link up thread already.


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[aa9511]

Nothing special about the bra clasp other than how it was collected. Found underneath other items, touched with dirty gloved hands, placed back on the floor to take a picture of it, then picked back up again and finally placed in the evidence bag. Nope, nothing special about it at all. And it just happens to be the only place where RS's DNA was found in Meredith's room. Lucky for the prosecutor, huh.

It just happens to be one of only 2 pieces of forensic evidence found on RS in the entire cottage, along with some fingerprints on doors which would be relatively easy to find explanation for. Also, the knife at his place, but on which none of his DNA was found.

So please tell me TorisMom, and any others....why didn't Raffaele's lawyers separate him from Amanda's case from the very beginning? IMO, he would have had at least a better chance than he did this way.

Why would his lawyers not do that?

Could it be because they had to follow what course Raffaele wanted them to take? Could it be that it was actually RS who wanted to stick with Amanda, even though for his entire life circumstance, he would have much better chance if he separated his case from Amanda's?

It is not because of honor, as he likes to so publicly claim and conveniently make himself out to be hero. It is usually the cowards who want everyone to think they're heroes.

It's because he could not change course, he had to stick with his story, otherwise Amanda could possibly change course of her trial, and end up revealing his involvement.

 

[Harmony 2]

"But some independent forensic scientists told the BBC this knife (which had been considered a possible murder weapon) should never have been given the importance it was because there was no evidence of blood found on it."

"While that may seem on its face to be evidence of a crime, in order to substantiate such a small amount of DNA you look for blood, and I can't emphasise enough how small this was - it was just a few cells."

But there was no evidence of blood or any other body fluids found, the Boise State researcher points out."
"Another point of contention was the discovery that a third, unknown person's DNA profile retrieved from the bra clasp was overlooked by investigators. The appeal court subsequently ruled that the evidence could no longer be relied upon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24534110

The court judge brought in two independent experts to test the evidence. Those findings were annulled and waved away as illogical. Go figure...

The new forensic report, Palmer notes, maintains the Italian police mishandled evidence or failed to follow proper procedure a total of 54 times after the murder investigation began.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/forensic-experts-in-amanda-knox-appeal-reject-key-dna-evidence/

 

[redheadedgal]

Roger that, but it doesn't really matter what he thinks. This is their system, it has been their system for a long time and it's never been problem prior to apparently right now.

huh? prof. blakesley knows how extradition works in the US... it has nothing to do with italy or "their system".