Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[otto]

The five witnesses associated with the broken down car were present from about 10:30 to perhaps 11:15. Two in the car in the parking lot entrance directly across the street, two friends in a car that was parked in the cottage driveway and a tow truck driver. The cottage as dark and quiet, as if nobody was home. If Meredith was alive at this time, what was she doing? Why didn't she do any of the things we might expect her to have done after coming home?

Meredith had been at Halloween parties with friends (Knox contacted Meredith because she wanted to join her, but Knox was not invited) until 6 AM. Later that afternoon, Meredith met with friends, had dinner and returned home at 9 PM. She had borrowed a text book for one day to prepare for an exam. When Meredith returned home, she may have studied or rested. We don't know exactly what she did when she arrived at home and we don't know exactly when she was murdered, but it may have been as late as 11:30.

All vehicles parked at the driveway or on the road in front of the cottage would not have seen a light on in Meredith's bedroom, as the bedroom was on the opposite side of the house.

This illustration was initially used to demonstrate where everyone was standing when police discovered the body, but I've re-purposed it to demonstrate why it is not at all surprising that someone on the road did not see what was going on in Meredith's bedroom, which was not at all visible from the curved, hilly road.

 

[rose222]

Question for you guys. Did Amanda buy lingerie prior to the murder or after? If after how soon after Meredith died?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Meredith had been at Halloween parties with friends (Knox contacted Meredith because she wanted to join her, but Knox was not invited) until 6 AM. Later that afternoon, Meredith met with friends, had dinner and returned home at 9 PM. She had borrowed a text book for one day to prepare for an exam. When Meredith returned home, she may have studied or rested. We don't know exactly what she did when she arrived at home and we don't know exactly when she was murdered, but it may have been as late as 11:30.

All vehicles parked at the driveway or on the road in front of the cottage would not have seen a light on in Meredith's bedroom, as the bedroom was on the opposite side of the house.

Respectfully snipped:

BBM: True, we don't know exactly what Meredith did when she returned home and what happened after that ...

But your post made me think of something I remember recently reading at TJMK : Rafaelle's "rant" that he posted on his FB page back in July 2013.

If you "read between the lines" I wonder IF there may be some truth mixed in with his rantings ?

Link to "Raf's Rant" is : http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...father_and_lawyers_pre-approve_this/#comments


:twocents: I still think Raf is the "loose cannon" of the bunch ... he is NOT going to go down without Amanda, IMO ...

I just hope and lease: that he "loses it" and comes clean, not only for himself but for MEREDITH and the KERCHER FAMILY !

:moo:

 

[Madeleine74]

In this case, after having read through the documents over the years, I personally do not believe either AK or RS had anything to do with the murder nor do I believe they were there that night. The evidence in the room of MK points squarely to Rudy G and only Rudy G.

I don't agree with Italy overturning the acquittal to try them again but that's their system, good or bad. I hope both are acquitted in this 3rd and last trial. (If I thought they were guilty and the forensic evidence was solid and the testing standards were unassailable, I'd hope they'd be found guilty).

 

[redheadedgal]

Question for you guys. Did Amanda buy lingerie prior to the murder or after? If after how soon after Meredith died?

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http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html

 

[otto]

Question for you guys. Did Amanda buy lingerie prior to the murder or after? If after how soon after Meredith died?

Knox and Sollecito were observed fooling around and flirting in the lingerie shop a couple of days after the murder. Knox claimed that although she had been borrowing Sollecito's boxers, she needed lingerie immediately. I somehow doubt that her roommates, Laura and Fillomina, and the boys that lived downstairs, were also flirting with a significant other in lingerie shops within days of discovering that Meredith had been murdered with 43 injuries to her body. We know that Meredith's real friends were devastated. Although they may have replaced necessary items, none of them made a spectacle of themselves.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

In this case, after having read through the documents over the years, I personally do not believe either AK or RS had anything to do with the murder nor do I believe they were there that night. The evidence in the room of MK points squarely to Rudy G and only Rudy G.

I don't agree with Italy overturning the acquittal to try them again but that's their system, good or bad. I hope both are acquitted in this 3rd and last trial. (If I thought they were guilty and the forensic evidence was solid and the testing standards were unassailable, I'd hope they'd be found guilty).

BBM: With all due respect this is NOT the third trial :

There was only ONE TRIAL, which both Knox and Sollecito were found GUILTY.

The rest of the legal proceedings have been hearings at the Appellate Court and Supreme Court ...

This current hearing is because the Supreme Court of Italy TOLD the Appellate Court [Judge Hellman & crew] that they screwed up !

 

[rose222]

Knox and Sollecito were observed fooling around and flirting in the lingerie shop a couple of days after the murder. Knox claimed that although she had been borrowing Sollecito's boxers, she needed lingerie immediately. I somehow doubt that her roommates, Laura and Fillomina, and the boys that lived downstairs, were also flirting with a significant other in lingerie shops within days of discovering that Meredith had been murdered with 43 injuries to her body. We know that Meredith's real friends were devastated. Although they may have replaced necessary items, none of them made a spectacle of themselves.

What bizarre behaviour. And no, we are not 'persecuting' a girl for needing to buy underwear if that was really the case! The comment about pizza and this flirting behaviour at the underwear store is just...strange and inappropriate.

Even now she continues with her ridiculous behaviour. Who says that the family of the victim will only get closure (or some such thing) by going to the grave with the accused? No innocent person would dream of saying such a thing. She's not on drugs now, is she? So what is her excuse for behaving like a cold, manipulative woman who is completely out of touch with reality?

 

[Madeleine74]

Ok point taken. Regardless of these various hearings and re-hearings and legal proceedings, my main point stands. I personally do not think they committed these crimes. I realize others do. The evidence did not convince me. It did convince me of Rudy Gede's guilt, 100%.

 

[rose222]

Beautiful, beautiful Meredith. She had such an exotic yet innocent face. My heart hurts for the angel that left this world much too soon. She looks gorgeous in this video.

Kristian Leontiou - Some Say (il video con Meredith Kercher) - YouTube

 

[rose222]

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...and_murder_parallels_of_the_amanda_knox_and_/

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[dog.gone.cute]

Ok point taken. Regardless of these various hearings and re-hearings and legal proceedings, my main point stands. I personally do not think they committed these crimes. I realize others do. The evidence did not convince me. It did convince me of Rudy Gede's guilt, 100%.

:seeya: Got ya ... but back to Rudy :

Rudy himself admitted that Knox and Sollecito were there that night AND the Supreme Court ruled in 2 Rulings that Rudy did NOT act alone ... there was no "lone wolf."

So throwing this out there :

(1) IF you do not think it was Knox and Raf with Rudy, then who do you think was with Rudy ?

(2) WHY wasn't this person DNA and/or fingerprints found ?

(3) WHY hasn't Rudy "ratted out" any of his accomplice ?

(4) Did Rudy's accomplice come back and clean-up the cottage, leaving evidence of only Rudy's footprints going out the front door ?

(5) Did Rudy's accomplice stage the break-in ?


The evidence points to not only Rudy, but clearly right back to Knox and Raf ...

:moo:

 

[Footwarrior]

Question for you guys. Did Amanda buy lingerie prior to the murder or after? If after how soon after Meredith died?

Amanda bought underwear a couple days after the murder. She had been locked out of her home and had no clean clothes.

The tabloid press reported it as a lingerie shop, but it was actually a general clothing shop called Bubbles.

 

[Madeleine74]

Rudy told a friend (recorded phone call) that neither AK nor RS were there and he I believe said no one else was there in that apartment aside from him and MK. Which statement of RG's is correct?

How is there no forensic evidence of AK or RS in MK's room? We have blood all over the place and RG's fingerprints all over that room.

I don't see the forensic case proving their guilt. I do see RG's clear-cut guilt. That is not in question. The forensics (blood in MK's room), which we know is the primary crime scene, proves 2 people were in that room during the murder: MK and RG. 1 of them is dead. The other left his DNA on/in the victim and his fingerprints/handprints all over that room.

Further, AK & RS knew each other for all of a week at the point of the murder. I don't believe the Italian prosecutor's theory, I don't believe RG, and I don't see a "sex orgy gone wrong." I believe RG and RG alone committed this murder. The forensic evidence leads me to believe that.

Over and out.

 

[Footwarrior]

Rudy had a reason to say other people were there. It lessens his guilt.

His first version of events was that he was sitting on the can just after having consensual sex with Meredith when a stranger ran into the cottage, killed Meredith and then ran out. Over time, this morphed into Amanda and Raffaele being there because that is what the prosecution wanted him to say.

Quoting noted criminal profiler John Douglas:

Based on my experience, the crime scene does not indicate the presence of three individuals in the room where Meredith was murdered. What was done to the victim, the way in which the crime occurred, was not the result of three people. This can be concluded without a DNA test.

Some have claimed that the Duvet covering Meredith proves her attacker was female. Here is what John Douglas had to say about that theory:

That&#8217;s absurd. There are different reasons why someone will cover a body. There's a certain sense of wanting to undo the crime. Guede didn&#8217;t leave after the crime, but he doesn&#8217;t want to look at her. It&#8217;s not that he didn&#8217;t feel good about what he has done; I can see that because of the way he killed her and sexually assaulted her. He&#8217;s a sadistic individual with a violent past. He put the blanket over her because he was wandering around the apartment and didn&#8217;t want to see her.

Sadly, this was a very pedestrian murder. And that&#8217;s not to diminish this beautiful woman&#8217;s life, Meredith. It&#8217;s not that complicated, crimes are not so complicated.

 

[Footwarrior]

If Meredith had gone to bed, why was she swearing the clothes she had worn walking home from Robin's place when she was murdered?

 

[kemo]

Anyone who still believes Amanda is "totally innocent", i.e. completely uninvolved, should consider the following:

There is an old police interrogation tactic/trick: You tell the suspect that evidence has been found that totally shoots down the story they have been giving, and see what the suspect does (the "evidence" can be real or just a lie ). Generally an innocent suspect will accuse them of lying or fabricating the evidence, stick to their story and perhaps demand a lawyer. A guilty suspect might shut up and lawyer up if they were savvy, but many will simply change their story to incorporate the newly found evidence. This creates a situation where the suspect must admit to lying at first then they must come up with an entirely new version of events on the fly. It's very hard to keep an "evolving" story straight and the suspect has no way to communicate to anyone else involved as to how their story has changed. This is what happened to AK and RS.

When AK was informed that RS was now claiming that she had left his apartment that evening, AK immediately admitted she had and her story "evolved" into the claim that PL was there and committed the murder.

When RS was told that MK's DNA was fond on his kitchen knife, he immediately claimed that MK had been in his apartment and cut herself preparing food. He later conceded that this was a lie.

You can argue that AK didn't speak Italian very well and could be expected to be intimidated by a foreign legal process but RS was a well educated Italian whose sister was a police Lt. He should have held up to that sort of questioning.

Think about it.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Questions for those who do NOT believe that Knox and Raf were involved :

Amanda and Raf were suppose to go to Gubbio on the morning of Nov 2:

- WHY were they going back and forth between the cottage and Raf's apartment up until 12:00 noontime when they were supposed to be in Gubbio ?

- WHY didn't they leave in the morning like they were supposed to ?

- So IF -- IF Amanda spent the night at Raf's apartment and they were going to leave in the morning to go to Gubbio, then WHY didn't she bring her change of clothes to Raf's apartment the night before ?

- WHY go back to the cottage to take a shower the next morning, when she could have taken a shower at Raf's before leaving for Gubbio ?

Makes NO sense, IMO ...

:twocents:

 

[LinasK]

Amanda bought underwear a couple days after the murder. She had been locked out of her home and had no clean clothes.

The tabloid press reported it as a lingerie shop, but it was actually a general clothing shop called Bubbles.

And does Bubbles sell lingerie? Most likely they do. Last thing that would be on my mind two days after my roommate is murdered!!

 

[rose222]

Anyone who still believes Amanda is "totally innocent", i.e. completely uninvolved, should consider the following:

There is an old police interrogation tactic/trick: You tell the suspect that evidence has been found that totally shoots down the story they have been giving, and see what the suspect does (the "evidence" can be real or just a lie ). Generally an innocent suspect will accuse them of lying or fabricating the evidence, stick to their story and perhaps demand a lawyer. A guilty suspect might shut up and lawyer up if they were savvy, but many will simply change their story to incorporate the newly found evidence. This creates a situation where the suspect must admit to lying at first then they must come up with an entirely new version of events on the fly. It's very hard to keep an "evolving" story straight and the suspect has no way to communicate to anyone else involved as to how their story has changed. This is what happened to AK and RS.

When AK was informed that RS was now claiming that she had left his apartment that evening, AK immediately admitted she had and her story "evolved" into the claim that PL was there and committed the murder.

When RS was told that MK's DNA was fond on his kitchen knife, he immediately claimed that MK had been in his apartment and cut herself preparing food. He later conceded that this was a lie.

You can argue that AK didn't speak Italian very well and could be expected to be intimidated by a foreign legal process but RS was a well educated Italian whose sister was a police Lt. He should have held up to that sort of questioning.

Think about it.

:rockon: