Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[redheadedgal]

Sollecito had a knife collection - he liked knives. He was even carrying a knife when he was arrested.

Scroll down on this page for a "fancy dress" costume:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-prison-diary-DNA-knife-pricked-cooking.html

another suspicious halloween costume? :floorlaugh:

yes, he carried a small pocket knife (as many males do)... completely different than the kitchen knife turned supposed murder weapon that doesn't even match MK's wounds: from nova:

DNA has to be something (blood, saliva, skin cells, etc.), fred. If the kitchen knife were indeed the murder weapon, it would have been dripping with blood. It would be a virtual miracle if someone were able to clean all traces of blood off the knife, yet leave behind 5 cells of some other DNA from MK. Everyday contamination (AK unknowingly brought a bit of MK's DNA from home), lab contamination or faulty testing are more likely explanations for the results ILE got.

Testing other knives from the same drawer would have told us if those knives, too, contained tiny amounts of MK's DNA. If they did, we would have to blame contamination (either at the lab or elsewhere), since all the knives can't be the murder weapon.

The testing of the knife best typifies the way this case was handled. ILE ignored accepted testing procedures, worked until they got the result they wanted and not one minute more. As a result, all of their claims--but particularly their forensics--should be suspect.

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also, in an earlier post you refered to the fact that MK's family wanted the knife retested. i assumed it was just the knife from your post. but actually the K's wanted any and all evidence retested if it was so requested, to get true answers about what happened to MK:

In a letter submitted to court, the Kercher family urged the panel to allow any additional testing requested "so that any unanswered questions can be clarified," adding: "It has been the most difficult six years of our lives and we want to be able to seek closure."

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=9267984

 

[redheadedgal]

Sollecito had a knife collection - he liked knives. He was even carrying a knife when he was arrested.

Scroll down on this page for a "fancy dress" costume:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-500865/Meredith-murder-suspect-tells-secret-prison-diary-DNA-knife-pricked-cooking.html

another suspicious halloween costume? :floorlaugh:

yes, he carried a small pocket knife (as many males do)... completely different than the kitchen knife turned supposed murder weapon that doesn't even match MK's wounds: from nova:

DNA has to be something (blood, saliva, skin cells, etc.), fred. If the kitchen knife were indeed the murder weapon, it would have been dripping with blood. It would be a virtual miracle if someone were able to clean all traces of blood off the knife, yet leave behind 5 cells of some other DNA from MK. Everyday contamination (AK unknowingly brought a bit of MK's DNA from home), lab contamination or faulty testing are more likely explanations for the results ILE got.

Testing other knives from the same drawer would have told us if those knives, too, contained tiny amounts of MK's DNA. If they did, we would have to blame contamination (either at the lab or elsewhere), since all the knives can't be the murder weapon.

The testing of the knife best typifies the way this case was handled. ILE ignored accepted testing procedures, worked until they got the result they wanted and not one minute more. As a result, all of their claims--but particularly their forensics--should be suspect.

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also, in an earlier post you refered to the fact that MK's family wanted the knife retested. i assumed it was just the knife from your post. but actually the K's wanted any and all evidence retested if it was so requested, to get true answers about what happened to MK:

In a letter submitted to court, the Kercher family urged the panel to allow any additional testing requested "so that any unanswered questions can be clarified," adding: "It has been the most difficult six years of our lives and we want to be able to seek closure."

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=9267984

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Wow, there is so much information and analysis and reports available on this case....it is very complicated! It would be great if they had someone like Juan who could tie it all together in an easy-to-understand way like he is so good at!

I was amazed that Amanda and Raffaelo seem to have actually pre-meditated the murder, according to the prosecution! I guess it is so true how the US media has twisted this story around to favor Amanda. If they were waiting for Rudy, it would make complete sense for them to be watching the cottage from the balcony to see when he would get there. And one thing struck me was that there was no communication by phone or text b/w Rudy and Amanda, leaving no trace of their connection. So they couldn't be inside the house or Meredith would see them, they coudn't be hanging around the outside of the house or witnesses might see them, they couldn't call or text Rudy, so obviously they would need some way to see when he got there.

What I have questions about is, if it was indeed pre-meditated on Amanda and Raf's part and they needed Rudy's help, what was Rudy's motivation in all of this? Were Amanda and Raf going to pay him for this? Obviously he would have to have some benefit for him to take such a risk. I'm not sure why he would take such a risk? I know Raf's family has/had money, so perhaps Raf had worked out a plan with him about future payment?

BBM: Yes, Juan Martinez :great:

:twocents: Amanda needs to "count her blessings" that she did not commit this murder in Maricopa County, Arizona, because if Juan Martinez was the prosecutor, she would be sitting on death row right now ...


I believe the prosecution team did the best they could putting all the evidence together -- considering what they had to deal with :

- Knox and Raf's lies along with changing stories ...

- Staged crime scene ...

- Clean-up of the cottage ...

- Knox accusing an innocent man of murder ...

- Knox's hateful PR campaign against Italy and its judicial system ...

And the list goes on ...

:moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Do we know why Meredith was withdrawing the rent money? Was it because she was not getting along with Amanda and wanted to move out?

:seeya: BBM:

Actually, it was the other way around : Amanda was NOT getting along with Meredith and the other roommates at the cottage.

According to testimony, Amanda was bringing different men over to the cottage, she was not very "clean," and she would leave her "personal sex items" laying out in the open :scared: not the kind of person young ladies would want living with them, IMO ...

:moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

So was Rudys fingerprints on the recovered cell phones/phones of Meredith? Did they ever recover all the towels?

IIRC, the cell phones were checked for fingerprints but no prints of the 3 perps were found on the phone ...

:twocents: The 2 cell phones are an interesting piece of puzzle, IMO, because when the postal police went to the cottage to return the phones to Meredith :

There was Amanda and Raf standing outside with a mop and bucket !

Surprise Surprise !

:doh: Knox and Raf forgot to turn the phones OFF !

Guess they didn't think about that when they threw the phones in that person's yard ... and it's amazing that the lady who found the phones heard them ringing !

:moo:

 

[SweetT]

IIRC, the cell phones were checked for fingerprints but no prints of the 3 perps were found on the phone ...

:twocents: The 2 cell phones are an interesting piece of puzzle, IMO, because when the postal police went to the cottage to return the phones to Meredith :

There was Amanda and Raf standing outside with a mop and bucket !

Surprise Surprise !

:doh: Knox and Raf forgot to turn the phones OFF !

Guess they didn't think about that when they threw the phones in that person's yard ... and it's amazing that the lady who found the phones heard them ringing !

:moo:

OK didnt know all this, so they actually had a mop and bucket? Maybe those phones reminded them to turn theirs off!? Thats just crazy.

 

[aa9511]

Rudy knew the boys that lived downstairs, and probably knew they were going to be gone for the long weekend. Watching the place for a while would give him a good idea if the girls were also gone. In the trade, it's known as casing the joint. Tossing a big rock through a window will confirm the place is empty. If the lights go on, someone is home and it's time to slip away in the shadows.

With how many boys living downstairs (4?) plus 2 or 3 (?) other girls upstairs....that's a chance of any one of 7 people coming in as you're committing the rape leading to murder. And Rudy knew all those people lived there. So I'm not getting why he would chance that unless he somehow knew there was no chance someone would walk in.

 

[aa9511]

:seeya: BBM:

Actually, it was the other way around : Amanda was NOT getting along with Meredith and the other roommates at the cottage.

According to testimony, Amanda was bringing different men over to the cottage, she was not very "clean," and she would leave her "personal sex items" laying out in the open :scared: not the kind of person young ladies would want living with them, IMO ...

:moo:

It seems to be like Amanda was very much a loner and her only relationships were with guys, while Meredith had a lot of girl friends and was a "normal" young lady. So I do not believe for a second that Meredith would have set up a meet-up with someone like Rudy, that makes no sense to me. Especially when she would barely know him, and then to invite him to her house when she's all alone? I don't think so. Not buying that story one minute.

However, I totally see Amanda as being the one who had a friendship/acquaintance with him.

 

[otto]

With how many boys living downstairs (4?) plus 2 or 3 (?) other girls upstairs....that's a chance of any one of 7 people coming in as you're committing the rape leading to murder. And Rudy knew all those people lived there. So I'm not getting why he would chance that unless he somehow knew there was no chance someone would walk in.

Knox knew that the boys downstairs were all away that weekend, and she knew that Laura and Filomina were away. Meredith had the keys for the downstairs flat. Maybe Knox, Guide and Sollecito wanted to smoke the pot plants that were in the flat downstairs and Meredith wouldn't give them the keys. Her keys were missing after the murder ... after they were used to lock her bedroom door. Maybe that was the start of the disagreement.

Knox knew that the only person in the cottage that night was Meredith. Rudy had no way of knowing that everyone was away, as he was an acquaintance, whereas Meredith had been dating one of the boys for three weeks. Knox had a one night stand with another one.

I don't remember if it was three or four that lived in the downstairs flat.

What's also interesting is that although Rudy Guede did not flush the toilet and left evidence of himself in several places, Meredith's bedroom door handle did not contain any prints. Are we to believe that he left the toilet unflushed but wiped down the door handle?

 

[sherlockh]

OK didnt know all this, so they actually had a mop and bucket? Maybe those phones reminded them to turn theirs off!? Thats just crazy.

I believe the 'mop and bucket' was some misreporting from the early days. They were both standing outside when the postal police came but not with a mop and bucket. It is however part of the strange email that Knox wrote to her friends. She said she was walking the streets with a mop that morning to cleanup some water that was spilled at her boyfriend the night before. The mop is something that comes back several times in both their writings, and also in Knox's testimony.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Email_Home
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Testimony

 

[dog.gone.cute]

OK didnt know all this, so they actually had a mop and bucket? Maybe those phones reminded them to turn theirs off!? Thats just crazy.

:seeya: I hope I did not confuse you, so let me explain it better:

BBM: BOTH Knox and Raf turned their cell phones off at approximately 8:40 pm the night Meredith was murdered - November 1, 2007.


And yep ... the next day, November 2, 2007 at appx. 12:30 p.m., Knox and Raf were standing outside the cottage with a "mop and bucket" when the Postal Police arrived to return Meredith's cell phones ...

:doh: Oh yeah, they said that they needed the mop and bucket to mop up water at Rafaelle's apartment because he spilled water when he was cooking ...

:doh: oh wait -- sorry, the story changed -- there was a leaking broken pipe in the kitchen ...


So Knox and Raf BOTH turned their phones off PRIOR TO Meredith's murder, but they forgot to turn off Meredith's phones AFTER her murder when they ditched her phones ...

:twocents:

 

[otto]

:seeya: I hope I did not confuse you, so let me explain it better:

BBM: BOTH Knox and Raf turned their cell phones off at approximately 8:40 pm the night Meredith was murdered - November 1, 2007.


And yep ... the next day, November 2, 2007 at appx. 12:30 p.m., Knox and Raf were standing outside the cottage with a "mop and bucket" when the Postal Police arrived to return Meredith's cell phones ...

:doh: Oh yeah, they said that they needed the mop and bucket to mop up water at Rafaelle's apartment because he spilled water when he was cooking ...

:doh: oh wait -- sorry, the story changed -- there was a leaking broken pipe in the kitchen ...


So Knox and Raf BOTH turned their phones off PRIOR TO Meredith's murder, but they forgot to turn off Meredith's phones AFTER her murder when they ditched her phones ...

:twocents:

And ... we are also supposed to believe that the pipes leaked so much water onto the floor that a mop was required, but they left the water on the floor from 8:30 PM until noon the following day ... in a tiny apartment.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

And ... we are also supposed to believe that the pipes leaked so much water onto the floor that a mop was required, but they left the water on the floor from 8:30 PM until noon the following day ... in a tiny apartment.

:seeya: LOL ... :floorlaugh:

Seriously though, if you spill water on your floor and don't have a mop handy, wouldn't you grab some towels or paper towels and wipe up the water ?

Makes NO sense, IMO ... :waitasec: a lot of their "excuses" make NO sense, IMO ...

:twocents:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Knox knew that the boys downstairs were all away that weekend, and she knew that Laura and Filomina were away. Meredith had the keys for the downstairs flat. Maybe Knox, Guide and Sollecito wanted to smoke the pot plants that were in the flat downstairs and Meredith wouldn't give them the keys. Her keys were missing after the murder ... after they were used to lock her bedroom door. Maybe that was the start of the disagreement.

Knox knew that the only person in the cottage that night was Meredith. Rudy had no way of knowing that everyone was away, as he was an acquaintance, whereas Meredith had been dating one of the boys for three weeks. Knox had a one night stand with another one.

I don't remember if it was three or four that lived in the downstairs flat.

What's also interesting is that although Rudy Guede did not flush the toilet and left evidence of himself in several places, Meredith's bedroom door handle did not contain any prints. Are we to believe that he left the toilet unflushed but wiped down the door handle?

BBM: otto, this is an interesting theory and a good possibility !

And yes, I remember that Meredith had the key to the boys' place downstairs because she was watering their plants when they were out of town for the long holiday weekend.

Another good point about Guede : he forgot to flush but he had time to wipe the prints off the door ... riiiiiiiiiiight ...

Seriously ... ya can't make this stuff up !

:floorlaugh:

 

[rose222]

Having looked at a lot of evidence I have to come to believe that Amanda and Knox did participate in the actual murder of Meredith. They were not merely spectators.

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http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C378/

 

[rose222]

:seeya: I hope I did not confuse you, so let me explain it better:

BBM: BOTH Knox and Raf turned their cell phones off at approximately 8:40 pm the night Meredith was murdered - November 1, 2007.


And yep ... the next day, November 2, 2007 at appx. 12:30 p.m., Knox and Raf were standing outside the cottage with a "mop and bucket" when the Postal Police arrived to return Meredith's cell phones ...

:doh: Oh yeah, they said that they needed the mop and bucket to mop up water at Rafaelle's apartment because he spilled water when he was cooking ...

:doh: oh wait -- sorry, the story changed -- there was a leaking broken pipe in the kitchen ...


So Knox and Raf BOTH turned their phones off PRIOR TO Meredith's murder, but they forgot to turn off Meredith's phones AFTER her murder when they ditched her phones ...

:twocents:

Reminds me of the other *unusual* person Arias who turned her phone off too. I use my cell-phone to talk to only a couple of close friends and even I rarely turn my phone off.

 

[LinasK]

Reminds me of the other *unusual* person Arias who turned her phone off too. I use my cell-phone to talk to only a couple of close friends and even I rarely turn my phone off.

There was another murder here in the Bay Area, very close to me, where the guy murdered his parents. He was convicted largely by turning off his phone the amount of time it took him to drive from So. Cal to No. Cal and murder his parents, then drive back.

 

[aa9511]

Hi all, just have to post this before I leave:

Amanda Knox Interview with Diane Sawyer Part 3 Full interview - YouTube

In the Diane Sawyer interview, at :12 seconds when asked the 3 questions if she killed Meredith or involved or does she know something about it, I do not believe her answers, especially to question 3. Something about the way she says them doesn't look right. And also, to the question is there any information you know which you haven't told police, she says no and then adds, "I wasn't there." The "I wasn't there" part struck me, I can't figure out why. I would have said something like, "Of course not!! How would I know anything, I was just sitting at my boyfriend's house, I had no idea what was happening to her!!" Instead she says "no...(long pause)..I wasn't there" (with a raised eyebrow which I found odd, as if she was trying too hard to be convincing). As if the only reason she doesn't have any information for the police is because she "wasn't there," which just happens to be the thing that the prosecutors CAN"T PROVE. How convenient. NOT that she didn't have any information b/c she had no idea what was going on and how could she possibly have any information, but because she "wasn't there."

But I have to add that I found the rest of her interview to be belieavable in terms of her delivery of it, I didn't feel like she was acting, except in the parts when discussing Meredith. Those parts there was definately some over-acting going on. But as far as the (little) detail Diane Sawyer asked her about, she seemed convincing. However, not like Diane asked her any tough questions, such as answers to different details - the things she asked were pretty obvious (like why did you lie about Lumumbo), so I'm sure Amanda and her defense and PR team had already rehearsed those.

 

[aa9511]

Reminds me of the other *unusual* person Arias who turned her phone off too. I use my cell-phone to talk to only a couple of close friends and even I rarely turn my phone off.

Don't forget about Levi Chavez! Boy, these murderers seem to think of everything but they just can't get around that pesky cell phone problem! No way to get around that. Only solution is they have to turn off their phones...haha. They think of everything like not keeping texts, etc. etc., but when it comes time to do the deed they have no choice but to just turn it off.

 

[SweetT]

:seeya: LOL ... :floorlaugh:

Seriously though, if you spill water on your floor and don't have a mop handy, wouldn't you grab some towels or paper towels and wipe up the water ?

Makes NO sense, IMO ... :waitasec: a lot of their "excuses" make NO sense, IMO ...

:twocents:

If it was alot of water I would just use some bath towels. Oh wait ... also if Rafaell had that much water I would imagine he lived on a bottom floor apt right? Otherwise water would leak to the apt below.