Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[rose222]

And does Bubbles sell lingerie? Most likely they do. Last thing that would be on my mind two days after my roommate is murdered!!

KC went off to Tonys after Caylee died. Arias after butchering the life out of Travis went off to Ryan's to make out. Amanda went off (I don't mean right away) to buy underwear, flirt and eat pizza after poor Meredith was butchered to death. Not unusual in their world. Their = killers. :scared:

 

[rose222]

And does Bubbles sell lingerie? Most likely they do. Last thing that would be on my mind two days after my roommate is murdered!!

You know, I avoid eating and reading details of this case at the same time. Why? It makes me lose my appetite. After all these years and merely reading it on the internet it makes my stomach burn.

How in the world this Amanda woman could say things like 'I'd kill for pizza' and flirt, smile, make faces and have no genuine sorrow for the victim when she lived in the same house is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Footwarrior]

Amanda was scheduled to work on the night of the murder. She only knew she had the night off when he boss stent a text message saying she didn't need to come in that night.
Raffaele had promised to drive a friend to the bus station that. His fried dropped by at about 8:45 pm to tell him she wasn't going to need a ride. Amanda staying at Raffaele's place wasn't planned, they just took advantage of the opportunity. Amanda didn't bring a change of clothes because she hadn't planned to spend that night at Raffaele's.

They did plan to go to Gubbio that day, there is no evidence the trip was planned for the first thing in the morning. Gubbio is about a 45 minute drive from Perugia.

The next morning Amanda went back to the cottage to shower and change. She didn't have a change of clothes at Raffaele's place. After changing, she went back to Raffaele's where they had breakfast.

Amanda tells Raffaele about the front door of the cottage being open and that Meredith didn't seem to be around. The two of them decide to return to the cottage. On the way Amanda makes some phone calls trying to find Meredith.

 

[Footwarrior]

And does Bubbles sell lingerie? Most likely they do. Last thing that would be on my mind two days after my roommate is murdered!!

No, Bubbles did not sell lingerie. (The store in Perugia has since gone out of business). What Amanda bought was some plain woman's thong underwear.

 

[Harmony 2]

Horrendously? How many evidence collection videos have you compared to make such judgements? I am sure there is always room for improvement but it does not explain away any of the evidence.

Yes horrendously as in awful, appalling, untrustworthy and sloppy. I watched several evidence collection videos. Here are a few others:

Amanda Knox-Botched Forensics - YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0QR2IvDUc4Q




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gLE4s3jXTVU

Former FBI profiler, John Douglas, sums up my thoughts and opinions in the following:

KE: Do you believe the investigators made mistakes that subsequently diverted the course of the investigation?

JD: Well, that’s the entire story, isn’t it? First, there were too many people in those rooms. They should have removed Amanda, Raffaele and anyone who was not part of the investigation team, and roped it off.
From the video taken from the crime scene, there were numerous mistakes. The investigators can be seen passing evidence, dropping it on the ground, using the same tweezers, not changing gloves, no protective caps to cover hair. Any insider can recognize these errors. What the investigators have done may seem right on the "outside", they had their protective clothing, boots, but cross- contamination of the evidence was more than evident.

KE: What is cross-contamination, exactly?

JD: It means simply that evidence from anyone, anyone who came and went in those rooms have the potential to leave their DNA, prints, etc. and run the risk of being transferred microscopically.

Btw Douglas was provided with plenty of information about the evidence in the case:

JD: I won't do an analysis unless I am provided with all the information necessary. In this case, I had everything I needed. In fact, more than I've had in other cases. Fortunately, I also had the crime scene evidence collection tapes to view. Often in America, we only have photos (of a crime scene) and you can't clearly understand what is happening. There was more than enough to assess.

http://womanonawire.blogspot.com/2011/09/unarresting-arrested-famed-fbi-profiler.html

 

[LinasK]

No, Bubbles did not sell lingerie. (The store in Perugia has since gone out of business). What Amanda bought was some plain woman's thong underwear.

I'd consider thong underwear in the lingerie category. Not comfortable for every day, and they are sexy.

 

[otto]

It's nothing new to see strong criticism of Italy and her justice system, postal police, Carabinieri, trial court, appeal court, Supreme court, decision to not sequester juries, forensic experts, backwards medieval towns, people and one of two prosecutors trying the same case. I still can't figure out why only one of the two prosecutors was severely criticized, but perhaps he was the easier target per Douglas Preston - who continues to complain that the same prosecutor would not tolerate his interference in an ongoing murder investigation.

Patrick Lumumba, whose life was severely damaged by Knox, disagrees with all of the above. Italy delivered him justice, and for that he is very thankful. Unfortunately, Knox seems to have no regard for the damage she caused to Patrick, so although Italy delivered justice, Knox has failed to respect the law ... yet again.

 

[redheadedgal]

BBM: With all due respect this is NOT the third trial

semantics. we don't need to quibble about this too, do we?

I do feel at times that many Americans support Knox merely because she herself is American. I can never understand that.

there are italians (and brits) who support knox:

Others in Italy are left with doubts. "I'm just wondering if it's true, if they are really innocent," said a university student interviewed on the street in Rome.

Another student in Rome said it's the infamously slow and complicated Italian justice system that's at fault. "The verdict simply represents the usual inefficient Italian legal system," he said. "Whether they're guilty or innocent, the verdict is still wrong, because the legal system let too much time go by, keeping two potentially innocent people in prison for four years."

http://pri.org/stories/2011-10-04/italians-react-release-amanda-knox

and i posted earlier about how few italians have faith in their justice system -- about 16%. that is was after the conviction.

The Americans were "duped" about Knox : her family hired a very expensive PR Firm, which "spun" the "Knox story" to the US media, which was then relayed to the American public ...

please. people who believe in her innocence haven't been duped. if facts and evidence have been interpreted differently? does not = being duped.

BBM: Yep, not one cent ... :banghead: Knox is totally ignoring Patrick Lumumba -- and -- the court order

she IS paying for legal representation right now, is she not? i'm sure reparations will occur in time.

was there a time limit set in regard to repayment?

 

[otto]

semantics. we don't need to quibble about this too, do we?

<snipped to address isolated point in original>

Is it normal to refer to the appeal of a murder conviction as a second trial?

 

[pomegranate]

I'd consider thong underwear in the lingerie category. Not comfortable for every day, and they are sexy.

I'm not trying to turn this into a debate over underwear, but I have to disagree. There is a significant percentage of people who wear thong underwear everyday and who would purchase it as a necessary item just because that is what they are used to wearing. I don't think purchasing a thong is necessarily indicative of someone's state of mind.

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[redheadedgal]

Horrendously? How many evidence collection videos have you compared to make such judgements? I am sure there is always room for improvement but it does not explain away any of the evidence.

:facepalm:

if your mother, father, brother, husband etc, or you were on trial, would you still be okay with these evidence collection/testing techniques? would your lawyer? somehow i doubt it. and in light of this, it's quite the double standard to say what was done with the evidence IS acceptable, especially after seeing that video!

 

[sherlockh]

Yes horrendously as in awful, appalling, untrustworthy and sloppy. I watched several evidence collection videos. Here are a few others:

Former FBI profiler, John Douglas, sums up my thoughts and opinions in the following:

Btw Douglas was provided with plenty of information about the evidence in the case:

http://womanonawire.blogspot.com/2011/09/unarresting-arrested-famed-fbi-profiler.html

I need at least 10 more evidence collection videos from other cases to make judgements like that. Do you really think in other cases investigators never pickup a piece of evidence and have a look at it while wearing gloves? This is all so exaggerated. It wasn't horrendous and Douglas has a horrible reputation. A 'gun' for hire. That is all he is. Just search this forum.

The problem is that cross-contamination isn't all that easy and we are talking about something extremely complicated such as tertiary transfer. Cross contaminate Sollecito's DNA from what? From where? The investigators didn't put their own DNA on stuff, they didn't put Guede's DNA all over the place (for some reason suddenly no complaints), they didn't put Knox's DNA all over the place. There were 2 more girls living in that house. Why isn't their DNA all over the place? It is impossible to pickup Sollecito's DNA from nowhere on something as small as the bra clasp. You need a source. Smoke and mirrors. Anything to attack the Italians. That is all it is. JMO.

 

[otto]

she IS paying for legal representation right now, is she not? i'm sure reparations will occur in time.

was there a time limit set in regard to repayment?

When was Knox released from prison? When did she receive the 3.8 million dollars advance for her book? When did she repay her parents? When did she pay her school fees?

When exactly is she thinking that it would be a good idea to get around to compensating the man that she falsely accused of murder?

 

[redheadedgal]

<snipped to address isolated point in original>

Is it normal to refer to the appeal of a murder conviction as a second trial?

apparently, it is !

amanda knox's third trial

http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knoxs-trial-starts-plea-dignity-truth/story?id=20416115

amanda knox on trial for third time

http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/10/amanda-knox-third-murder-trial/

 

[Linda7NJ]

I need at least 10 more evidence collection videos from other cases to make judgements like that. Do you really think in other cases investigators never pickup a piece of evidence and have a look at it while wearing gloves? This is all so exaggerated. It wasn't horrendous and Douglas has a horrible reputation. A 'gun' for hire. That is all he is. Just search this forum.

The problem is that cross-contamination isn't all that easy and we are talking about something extremely complicated such as tertiary transfer. Cross contaminate Sollecito's DNA from what? From where? The investigators didn't put their own DNA on stuff, they didn't put Guede's DNA all over the place (for some reason suddenly no complaints), they didn't put Knox's DNA all over the place. There were 2 more girls living in that house. Why isn't their DNA all over the place? It is impossible to pickup Sollecito's DNA from nowhere on something as small as the bra clasp. You need a source. Smoke and mirrors. Anything to attack the Italians. That is all it is. JMO.

Oh thank you for that post. I hear the name "John Douglas" and the baby hairs on my neck stand up and my fists get all balled up, I can feel my blood pressure rising!




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[otto]

apparently, it is !

http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knoxs-trial-starts-plea-dignity-truth/story?id=20416115

http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/10/amanda-knox-third-murder-trial/

In any other murder case in the US, is the appeal called a "new trial"?
If not, for journalists to label an appeal of a murder conviction in a foreign country as a "new trial" seems like an attempt to obfuscate.

 

[LinasK]

I'm not trying to turn this into a debate over underwear, but I have to disagree. There is a significant percentage of people who wear thong underwear everyday and who would purchase it as a necessary item just because that is what they are used to wearing. I don't think purchasing a thong is necessarily indicative of someone's state of mind.

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My point is that thong underwear is considered in the lingerie category, and whether the store was Bubbles or not ( of which I'm not familiar with), she still bought thong underwear, so it wasn't really a media misrepresentation.
It doesn't look good (or necessary) that she went out and bought thong underwear two days after her roommate was murdered.

 

[Nova]

:goodpost: Good points, rose ... and I agree !

The Americans were "duped" about Knox : her family hired a very expensive PR Firm, which "spun" the "Knox story" to the US media, which was then relayed to the American public ...

American journalism has reached an all time low -- and this case is a PRIME example, IMO ...

:moo:

I think you are making over-hasty assumptions.

I am one American who assumed Knox was GUILTY until I spent a few months reading everything I could find on the case. My premature assumption was based on a cursory examination of American media reports on the case.

On HLN's "Dr. Drew" last night, an entire panel of "experts" (actually, none of them knew even the basic facts of the case) believed Knox to be guilty. Only Dr. Pinsky himself said he felt some "sympathy" for her.

Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we are xenophobes.

 

[Nova]

She hasn't given him a cent even with her new book and all.


I'm so glad you suggested that I don't buy her book back when I was undecided about this case. Thanks.

BBM: And if she had, the anti-Knox crowd would be screaming about "blood money" and AK's "guilty conscience".

I'm not defending the false accusation of Lumumba, but even a cursory review of literature on coerced testimony explains it. If it's monetary compensation you want, I'm sure his cafe (if it is still open) is a must-stop for Americans and Brits visiting Perugia.

 

[Footwarrior]

John Douglas is in fact an expert, the guy who basically invented behavioral profiling. What upsets people is that he points out the problems in cases where they are emotionally invested. <modsnip>

John Douglas had a very good reason to be skeptical about the prosecutions theory in this case. Amanda and Raffaele had no real motive to kill Meredith, and neither of them show signs of the kind of serious mental illness that drives a person without a motive to murder. The prosecution theory that smoking marijuana led to this evil deed is totally opposite of what science tells us about the effects of that drug.

Rudy on the other hand was associated with three known cases of breaking and entering in the month before Meredith was murdered. In all of these, entry was made via a window. An interrupted burglary leading to murder is an all too common event.